Talk:List of Punisher titles

New volume

--Telecart 20:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC) There's a new volume of Punisher War Journal coming out soon, written by Matt Fraction and art by Ariel Olivetti.. So, I'm guessing there'll be more to this article than just a list of old floppie.

Merge?

I think the this entry and Punisher Bibliography can be easily merged to form one really solid entry. Thoughts? (Emperor 15:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC))

I think it should be removed. All infos are duplicated in The Punisher War Journal and The Punisher War Zone. And Punisher Bibliography lists all the series, linking there. Anyway this current article is useless now and should be removed Jakilcz 23:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah but if you check both the The Punisher War Zone and The Punisher War Journal they have both been flagged to be merged in here. I don't really object to either really although the "List of..." naming format fits with various others like List of steampunk works, List of magazines of anomalous phenomena, List of current Dark Horse Comics publications, List of current Image Comics publications, List of Star Wars comic books, etc. so if we are not going to merge and instead delete one entry then I'd suggest the information in Punisher Bibliography be moved here. (Emperor 00:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC))

Yes, You are right, it would be better to move Punisher Bibliography here and remove it. The Punisher War Journal and The Punisher War Zone should be left as they are now. List of The Punisher comics will list series, and The Punisher War Journal etc will list all albums of this series (maybe with descriptions some day). Putting it all on one page would make no sense, such arrangement is optimal. (btw i will try to clean it yet a bit in following days cause there is still some chaos, like with category) But anyway You can remove this article and place bibliography here Jakilcz 14:10, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

OK cool sounds like a plan. I have dropped a note in to Jamdav86 who proposed the other merges so they can have their say in the matter but that solution does help reduce replication/redundancy of information which is the important thing. The War Zomne/Journal entries do need expanding to include details of the series (not just lists of issues) just to flesh things out. (Emperor 17:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC))

Ok, i started cleaning. I moved V6 to The Punisher v4 and v4 to newly created The Punisher: Purgatory as that's the real name of this series. The Punisher v5 should be removed, there is no useful info there, and in old meaning someone called like that 2 series: Wolverine/Punisher (Marvel Knights) #1-5 and Daredevil vs. The Punisher: Means and Ends (Marvel Knights) #1-6. As they are listed below, marvel knights has own article and it would break numeration The Punisher v5 definitely should be removed not to cause additional chaos. Jakilcz 22:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable - we will need to put a redirect in place - should it point here? (Emperor 14:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC))

If we can't remove it at all (as it's absolutely useless and nothing links there) yes, make it point here (or better to "list of..." where we agreed on moving this page to). Jakilcz 15:32, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

If nothing a redirect will stop someone from trying to make a new entry there. (Emperor 00:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC))

The bibliography should be left alone, but the others should be merged into this page. Descriptions of plot should be added too. --Jamdav86 09:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Jesus, what for? List of all punisher issues would create one of wikipedia's biggest article. Adding description for them would be going for a record of wikipedia's biggest article. What is wrong with the current solution that each series has it's page? Jakilcz 20:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Punisher War Journal v2

can somebody rename the Punisher War Journal to Punisher War Journal v1? because there will be a new war journal volume 2 in relationship to the marvel civil war, by matt fraction frbarba 00:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

nevermind -Bloodpack 13:05, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The Punisher (1987 series)

i wonder why the The Punisher Summer Special #1-4 (1991-1994), The Punisher: Back to School Special #1-3 (1992-1994) and The Punisher Holiday Special #1-3 (1993-1995) falls under The Punisher (1987 series)? Arent they special titles which has nothing to do with the ongoing events that took place in the The Punisher (1987 series)? and besides, they have their own publication years †Bloodpack† ^argh! 06:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Good question. They're annuals, and so listed in chronological continuity with the main title(s) just like any other annual. --Tenebrae 16:31, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Just took a look. The way you've them now makes them seem like regular ongong series rather than annuals. No biggie, but I'd like to open up thoughts on this to the rest of the Punisher editors.--Tenebrae 16:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

well i guess, but the The Punisher (1987 series) already have its corresponding annual and a regular comic book series have its corresponding annuals, maybe they should be in the special titles, i mean, theyre spinoff titles right? †Bloodpack† ^argh! 15:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I can see it that way, as an annual series, like a bimonthly or a quarterly. I'm cool with it. Good working wit'cha!--Tenebrae 18:53, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

thanks =] but i can still be wrong, anybody? †Bloodpack† ^argh! 21:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The Punisher: Purgatory

This title, The Punisher: Purgatory, is inaccurate, and for the most part incorrect and propose changing this back to The Punisher (Vol. 4) The Punisher (Vol. 4) (Purgatory) and subsequently changing all the other titles to follow with The Punisher (vol. 6) (Max) becoming The Punisher (vol. 7) (Max). The Punisher: Purgatory, in the index it clearly states "Punisher (vol. 2)" and The Punisher (vol. 4) clearly states "Punisher (vol. 3)". This means several things, but mostly to correctly and accurately label The Punisher by volume would mean that The Punisher: Purgatory is The Punisher (Vol. 4), maybe to Marvel's chagrin. They clearly were relabeling volumes inaccurately or as they please. Aside from a few detractors most lists including sequart.com, Grand Comics Database and Comics Price Guide agree with The Punisher: Purgatory being The Punisher (Vol. 4). The only other system that would be appropriate would be to drop the volume labeling system and use a system solely by publication year. Any thoughts? -- Iguardthesheep (talk) 01:25, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

I like how everybody has to put a vol# to the punisher series. I go by the inside cover. There it has the vol# and date. Unlike Born: Has no date on any of its 4 comics i guess they were smoking some good stuff. Or like Punisher: War Journal #1-26 (Nov. 2006 - Feb 2009) There is no vol# in it? You would think this is vol#2 but' No where in all 26 comics is Vol#2. But! i think the vol numbers go with the title. Like Marvel, Marvel Knights, Max each have some crazy vol number of their own? So over all there is no vol#5 or Vol#6 or Vol#7

--Pun Fan (talk) 04:52, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Format of article

Like most Wikipedia editors, I have strived to make the articles I edit as accurate as possible. Unfortunately, one editor has apparently claimed ownership of this article, because they refuse to accept any edits they do not agree with, even when they correspond to the manner of style for this type of article. This has resulted in an edit war, and I have tried to politely bring this to their attention, but they have resorted to personal attacks, both in their edit summaries, and on their talk page. Please help! Fortdj33 (talk) 00:33, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The Punisher Comics List,

When i first started collecting Punisher Comics. I came to this page thinking the information was true. I went to a comic book store thinking i had the right information. Not only did i get into a fight with the store owner but looked like a fool @ the same time. That just about discouraged me from collecting comics all together. So i studied got the entire collection of punisher comics came back to this site with the right information in hand. Now some guy has to come on this site playing the victim. Acting like he knows it all when he him self does not have the entire collection of punisher comics. Has no idea the damage to this page hes making, I HAVE DONE MY BEST TO MAKE THIS PAGE AS SPOT ON AS POSSIBLE. SO NO ONE PERSON HAS TO WALK INTO A COMIC BOOK STORE AND FEEL STUPID DUE TO THE WRONG INFORMATION. To encourage would be collectors. After all no one knew "Marvel Preview #2: Featuring the Punisher (1975)(B&W Magazine) was the 1st appearance of Origin & Family Killed by Mob" Till i myself put it there and i have the copies to prove it. Which by the way the victim still has yet to prove he has any comic book of the punisher.

People i need your help to keep the wrong information getting on our page. Punisher forever. Pun_Fan —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pun Fan (talk • contribs) 01:05, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

The Information on the list of punisher comics is WRONG! If your looking for the right information Please visit my site The True List Of Punisher ComicsIn Your Eye Ford!--Pun Fan (talk) 06:29, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Solo miniseries

I think who ever made the "Solo miniseries" was a great idea! I mean back when it was mixed in with the series. Made it seem like i had to buy a lot of comics. But! with the "Solo miniseries" its so much easier on the eyes. Great Job.

Pun_Fan--Pun Fan (talk) 04:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Update to this:Since when did comics start putting Solo miniseries in place of Limited Series??--Pun Fan (talk) 23:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Other versions

I suggest that we come to a consensus, regarding the placement of The Punisher 2099 in this article. Until recently, it was in the Other versions section, but it has been moved to the Primary series section. However, all of the other appearances of Punisher 2099 are still listed separately as "Other versions guest appearances". There is also a Marvel 2099 appearance that was moved to the One Shots section...

Since it is not in Marvel Universe continuity, I think that all the appearances of Punisher 2099 should be in the same section with the Ultimate Spider-Man version, and the Amalgam comics version of The Punisher. What do you think? Fortdj33 (talk) 12:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Typically only Earth-616 appearances are considered part of the mainstream continuity, everything else is an "other version".--TriiipleThreat (talk) 19:21, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

True... and the same can be said for Punisher: Noir, The Punisher: Official Movie Adaptation, The Punisher: Movie Special, The Punisher: The End, Marvel Knights 2099: The Punisher, Batman/Punisher: Lake of Fire, The Punisher Meets Archie, Punisher/Batman: Deadly Knights, The Punisher/Painkiller Jane, Witchblade/The Punisher, Bullets And Bracelets, Earth X, Marvel Zombies vs. The Army of Darkness, Wha...Huh?: What If The Punisher Was A Bleeding Heart?, and What if?....

But looking at this page other things pop out that are troubling:

1. Article name - Right now it is appropriate for most of the material up to "Crossovers". At that point it gots out the window. Changing it to "List of comics featuring the Punisher" would cover that.
2. Seperating the "616 continuity" books featuring the Frank Castle version as the title character, or one of them, by "type" of series seems arbitrary at best. Converting to a table, listing by date, and notating "ongoing", "limited series" and "one-shot" seems more practical.
3. The current "type" section heads are problematic. "Primary series" is missleading since some of the limited series and one-shots can be considered as important as the ongoing serise. So can som of the appearances in non-"Punisher" titled books. "Guest appearances" woulf be more appropriate as "Appearances in other books".
4. "Other versions" - How about seperating it as "2099 continuity", "Ultimate universe continuity", and "Other continuities"?

- J Greb (talk) 19:46, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

It depends on whether we want this article to be a comprehensive list of comics that The Punisher has appeared in, or to separate those comics by different continuities. According to how specific we want to be, the latter would require the primary sections to be "Earth-616 continuity", "Marvel Knights", "Marvel MAX" and so on, with sub-headings of "Prirmary Series", "Mini-series", "One-shots", etc. in each section. With the intention of avoiding an in-universe style for this article, which would be the best way for the average Wikipedia user to differentiate the Punisher comics they are interested in? Fortdj33 (talk) 21:12, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

To keep it simple I would only distinguish the mainstream continuity, the rest can be put in the Other Versions section and seperated by type (ongoing seieres, limited series, one-shots, etc.).--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:21, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

That continuity split makes a degree of sense, and FWIW MK and MAX has become defaul extensions of the primary continuity. As for splitting out the publication types... I stil think moving to a tabular format, most likely sortable, works better. - J Greb (talk) 18:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Can I Ask? Does anyone editing this page have the entire Punisher Comic Collection? Cuz you know i have it. Don't have the time right at this moment to go into it (On My Way To Work!) But! If you were like me and went through every book, You would find not one web site has the right information. Not even Marvel Universe continuity. I like you would think they would. So i say this. Please go to your local comic book store open the front cover. Punisher:2099 was a series was sold at the same time as Punisher:War Zone. Punisher:2099 Marvel Knights is a one Shot. P.S F33 Please put back Punisher:Dark Reign: #1-6 (Becomes Punisher: #7-16 Becomes Franken-Castle: #17- ongoing) (Mar. 2009 - ongoing)

Punisher/Dark Reign Annual #1 (Sept. 2009) This is to help a person going into a comic book store. "Please" --Pun Fan (talk) 13:22, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

I personally do not have the entire Punisher catalog but while I appreciate your depth of knowledge and interest on the subject, I fail to see how that might impact the organizational layout of this article. We are trying to write articles for the lay person not the aficionado. Perhaps if you better clarified your points I might see your concern.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:21, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

And I'd echo that. - J Greb (talk) 18:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. This talk page is supposed to be for discussing improvements to the List of The Punisher comics article, and while I don't doubt the size of Pun Fan's collection, basing a Wikipedia article on that would border on original research...

In comparison to other articles of this type, such as Bibliography of Avengers titles and List of Spider-Man comics, I don't think that this entire article needs to be revamped. Both of those other articles have sections for "Limited series", "One-shots", "Reprint series" and "Collected editions", which I think should remain here. The question is whether to have the "Primary series" section include all of the ongoing series featuring The Punisher, or just the ones that are currently ongoing, and whether to separate those series by continuity or not. Personally, if we are talking about the format of the entire article, I would have the Graphic Novels be a sub-section of the One-shots, leave the Crossovers section separate, remove the Guest Appearances section entirely, and add a table to the Collected Editions section, including ISBN numbers. Any other thoughts? Fortdj33 (talk) 20:17, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia article Is this not "The Punisher Comic List"?? Where were you people 4 years ago? "Fortdj33" you talk about me and my POV? Is all this not your POV? You people don't even know what your talking about. So! Punisher #1-16 (Becomes Franken-Castle: #17- ) (Mar. 2009 - ongoing) So what your telling me and the rest of the world is Punisher:Dark Reign: #1-6 Punishers family is brought back to life and he burns them and sends them back to where ever they came from. NEVER HAPPEN? Punisher:Dark Reign: #1-6 (Becomes Punisher: #7-16 Then the punisher is killed/dead by Wolverines son. THAT NEVER HAPPEN? Punisher:Dark Reign: #1-6 (Becomes Punisher: #7-16 Becomes Franken-Castle: #17- ongoing) (Mar. 2009 - ongoing) Punisher becomes a monster and has to take pills in order to keep somewhat normal. THAT TOO NEVER HAPPEN. Since when did a list of comics become a Wikipedia article. Since when did comics start putting Solo miniseries in place of Limited Series?? What are you people talking about? This is a list of comics.--Pun Fan (talk) 22:54, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Fortdj33:

One of the concerns I have about splitting the material up by "type of publication" here is lack of bulk. The just isn't the sheer volume of titles that Spider-Man, Batman, or Superman have generated. While I can see the attraction/use of a "Books" section for the graphic novels and trades - the stuff that will actually have an ISBN - what’s left is navigable in a single list or table. And a sortable table would allow a reader the choice of an alphabetized, chronological, or publication type sorting/grouping.

Sourcing is less of an issue since both the GCD and CBdb are reliable for generating lists of publications or character appearances. And there is also Overstreet for confirmation. As for the appearance list... I pointed out to another editor on my talk page that such a list might survive here, but not if it's the primary focus since that amounts to an indiscriminant list. And again, GCD and CBdb are geared for spitting out such a list. Having it here becomes less of an imperative.

Pun Fan:

Something you are going to have to remember: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It is not a fan site, a repository for "shopping lists", or a place to post "recommended reading" orders.

- J Greb (talk) 01:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

One suggestion I might pose, is a brief narrative description. As the List is essentially an extension of the Publication Hx, a brief blurb about each book, similar to that found of List of Superman comics. - Sharp962 (talk) 02:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC).

J Greb, I see your point, that The Punisher does not have the volume of titles that Spider-Man or Superman does. But I'm still not convinced that combining everything into one large table is the way to go. My main concern, was differentiating the alternate continuity stuff from the rest of the list. Whether that includes the Marvel Knights and MAX versions of The Punisher, is debatable. But the only section that I think needs to have a table, is the Collected Editions section... Fortdj33 (talk) 13:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

For the purpose of reaching a concensus I just to state that I agree this information might be better presented with tables.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:45, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Pun Fan, please don't take this personally. This article is designed to present a list of comics that The Punisher has appeared in, and Wikipedia has policies and guidelines about how such an article should appear. While you are welcome to contribute information, the place for discussing improvements to this article is here on this talk page. Not in your edit summaries, and not on our individual talk pages. Please remain civil and try to help us come to a consensus. You will not get anywhere by claiming ownership of this article, or by making personal attacks... Fortdj33 (talk) 13:24, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

You know guy your so right! I forgot i am a graphic artist and i can make web sites. So i got the site name and in a few months the world will be going to my site for the correct punisher information. Thanks to you all for the kick in the pants, It was just what i needed. So do what you want with the list. I took a copy and will add it to my fan site. Remember me and this day. --Pun Fan (talk) 13:05, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Remove The Guest Appearances Section Entirely?

Again The POV thing. Does not have the collection and yet these people edits the page. Wants to do away with years of work. Takes out "KEY" Events! Just because some other web site gave them the wrong information. This Is So Wrong! I can't even believe people would trash this page so badly! Its beyond insane. All the work from the writers/The Graphic artist/The Printers/The people over all the years of working on this page! A Comic List! Is boiled down to what people that don't have the collection think it should be. Forget about The Collector/His Passion/Their Hobby, It means nothing.--Pun Fan (talk) 23:57, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

After reading thru this List, I would recommend the removal of the Guest Appearance section. There is nothing pointing to the notability of ALL of the appearances, and some could easily (and more appropriately) be incorporated into the Other Versions section. -Sharp962 (talk) 02:25, 27 August 2010 (UTC).

Wether or not guest appearances are notable is one issue but the Other Versions section should not be become a repository of miscellaneous information.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:56, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I took the liberty of copying the contents of this article to my sandbox, so that I could work on it without offending anybody. Since then, I have:

• consolidated the Primary Series and Other Versions sections
• removed the Guest Appearances section
• moved all limited series into one section
• made crossovers and graphic novels a sub-section of the One-shots, and
• added a table to the Collected editions section

There is still work to be done, such as adding references and ISBN numbers, but please take a look at it here, and let me know what you think! Fortdj33 (talk) 16:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Per J Greb's (talk) suggestion in the above conversation, can we switch Primary series to Ongoing series? Also switch the entire article to a table format complete with publication dates and number of issues. And is the Parodies sections notable as well?--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:34, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I followed your suggestions on the Ongoing series and Parodies sections, but I'm still not convinced that everything else should be lumped into one big table. Fortdj33 (talk) 17:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Really its just a matter of prefrence, but with added benefit of adding notes (e.g. if the ongoing series is finished or cancelled). Also for clarification I didnt mean to suggest "one big table" but every section to its own table.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 18:44, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Just as another option, here's what I was thinking about with the use of tables. - J Greb (talk) 04:29, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

That looks really good, if used I would even put it for peer review to establish some precedent for these types of articles. Some quick questions though, again is the parodies section notable and why can't the rest of the collected issues be incorporated into the table? --TriiipleThreat (talk) 11:49, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I don't see the advantage to having everything in one sortable table. Because in J Greb's example, sorting by Title doesn't put things in alphabetical order, and sorting by Publication Date doesn't put things in chronological order. Maybe some combination of the two would be better, by having the article still separated into sections, but as TriiipleThreat suggested, every section having its own table. Fortdj33 (talk) 23:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

OK, based on J Greb's proposal, I updated mine, with the references and ISBN numbers that he added. I also marked everything that fell into either the Marvel Knights or MAX imprint, reorganized the Collected Editions section, and double checked all the ISBN numbers. The article is still separated into sections, but I'm ready to start copying things over, and the table in the Collected Editions section could then be applied to each section, if that is the consensus. Fortdj33 (talk) 15:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be safe to copy over the collected editions now. I also be happy be with the other sections being converted over to seperate tables or one large sortable table if we can fix the sorting issue.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Well it's been a couple days, but I finally copied everything over. It might not be perfect, but at least the information has been consolidated for further improvement. Fortdj33 (talk) 12:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

It looks really good.-Sharp962 (talk) 22:02, 2 September 2010 (UTC).

I have never seen such a bunch of... Blanks Mess up something so bad. You guys are a bunch of poof's. I like how you took all my work, Call it your own and decided Hey! I think i'll make the list of punisher Comics done my way "Strive To Do Your Best!". 1. There is no vol.5 or vol.6 or vol.7 or vol.8. Not one of you people even have "A" Punisher Comic and yet you can sit back and trash a page. I hope one day i come a crossed one of you poof's. Strive to make a page better? LMAO! Try checking out my site you might learn something Punishers Zone & List Of Punisher Comics Man What a joke!--Pun Fan (talk) 07:16, 8 October 2010 (UTC)