Talk:Eric Cartman

Catch Phrases

Cartman often says "seriously" and "seriously, you guys, seriously!" more than the other kids. Should be noted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.64.235 (talk) 07:13, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Compassionate side of eric

Cartman has at certain times displayed compassion in the last few seasons (eg. major boobage where he tries to save cats without any ulterior motives). This does deserve a mention in the article as it is a new albeit intermittent shade in his character that has emerged recently. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rajrishi1985 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Singing

Though other characters may occasionally break into song, Cartman does it an exceptional amount of times. Shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere in the episode? AznWarlord (talk) 19:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't really need to be, but if you could find a citation or point us to a few episodes were he does, I think we should include it. Just post a list of the episodes where he sings, and I'll add it as a reference. Tealwisp (talk) 22:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Sexual abuse

"Cartman has also had brushes with sexual abuse. In the episode, "Weight Gain 4000", his friends talked about a huge rainbow they saw. Cartman replied that he hates rainbows, and that he explains that "You'll just be sitting there, minding your own business, and then they come marching in, crawl up your leg and start to bite your ass, and you'll be like, AY, GET OUTTA MY ASS, YOU STUPID RAINBOWS!" It was obvious that Cartman was explaining that a bunch of homosexuals were hitting on him."

How is that obviously anything? Unless someone can cite that that means he was hit on by gay men, I think it should be removed because I think that's pure speculation... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.96.242.143 (talk) 02:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It ain't speculation, it's original research. Cartman was referring to hemorroids when he said that. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

And being a kid, he would of confused the words 'hemorroids' and 'homosexual' as a malapropism. Makes sense enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.64.235 (talk) 07:15, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Also:

"Also in the episode "Miss Teacher Bangs A Boy" Cartman starts a posse in which he calls a girl there his bitch, although nothing sexual is implied between them."

^What's that have to do with sexual abuse at all? In fact, what's that have to do with anything? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.96.242.143 (talk) 02:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

In the Episode "The Simpsons Did It" Cartman says he got some more "SeaMen" (semen) from a guy in an alley that told him to close his eyes and suck it out of a hose. An assumption can be made that even though he may not have known what he was doing, Cartman gave the man oral sex. - Sabi

It's not an assumption. He gave the man oral sex. Whoever refuses to get the joke, especially such a transparent one, is probably not a valid contributor to this (or any other) article. Drone2Gather (talk) 16:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Cartman's Mum

I was looking back at the old Southparkstudios.com FAQ archives when I saw this:

April 19, 2001

Q. - can you make cartman find his mom?

A. - Mrs. Cartman is Cartman's mom and dad... she's a hermafilite

Could someone edit the article, I would but I don't want to mess it up.

Channel e-d

Aha! I knew that site could never be trusted! Dr. Mephesto even said that Liane had sex with other women, and one became pregnant with Cartman. It's either Mayor McDaniels, Mrs. Sheila Broflovski, or Ms. Veronica Crabtree. Liane Cartman is not really his Mom! She's just a Dad!!! Ha! Wilhelmina Will June 24th, 2007. —Preceding comment was added at 07:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

In Cartmans mom is a dirty **** there was a long list of suggestions of cartmans father. this episode was dragged over into two episodes in which in the end cartman is to realise that his mom is his dad aswell

Yeah, it's stated pretty clearly in the episode concerning the issue that his mom is in fact his dad, and that his mom is someone else entirely. Who his mom really is has never been explored and probably never will be.24.74.1.139 12:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it was that his mom is also his dad. 24.21.10.30 (talk) 20:13, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Cartmans mom is actually Sheila Broflovski. Trey thought about a season finale that revealed that Sheila Broflovski gave Cartman up at birth and then adopted Ike in order to "balance things up" later on. It was supposed to deleiver two things: One, Cartman would be have Jew. And two, Cartman would be Kyles half brother(twin?).

That's also not physically possible, seeing as Kyle was born in may and Eric in July of the same year, and Gerald is Kyle's dad and Eric father is Liane.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 02:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

It's more likely that cartman's mom is a surrogate mother. Dr. Mephisto said that hermaphrodites couldn't give birth... which I took to mean they couldn't seminate people either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.80.64.235 (talk) 07:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Most Recognisable?

Is Cartman really the most recognisable South Park character? I would have said Kenny is. ~~Lazyguy~~I r needing userboxes plz! 21:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think that, because of the way they're designed, you could look at any one of the characters, then at first glance say, "Oh! He/She is from South Park!" Wilhelmina Will June 24th, 2007.

Well, I live in India and I didn't even know about South Park until 1 year ago. Yet I did recognise the cartman character when I saw him. I had seen several references to him at one time or the other. But the other characters were all new to me. vineetcoolguy 09:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

both cartman and kenny are well known, but i knew who cartman was long before i knew who kenny was.--Greenday21 (talk) 16:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

And I knew about Kenny long before I knew about Cartman. I think that, certainly, they're two of the most recognized characters, but it's pretty hard to say which one is definitely more recognizable. That's imho, though.Voltair3 (talk) 03:00, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Cartman's jewish ancestry? No way...

Why is Sheila a possible candidate for Cartman's mom? There is no such reference anywhere in the series. I've removed the line until more evidence or a reference is forthcoming. vineetcoolguy 17:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

At the end of Cartman's Mom Is Still a Dirty Slut, We find out that Ms. Cartman is actually Cartman's father. Sheila was one of the possible candidates for Cartman's actual mother. It was never revealed who Cartman's true mother is. The episode ended with cartman exclaiming "Oh, forget it!".--Swellman 17:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

But was that actually said by that professor guy or was it just a background thing said by the "narrator" in that episode? I seem to remember that it was the latter. In that case it doesnt really mean that its a choice between just those three women (Sheila, mayor and crabtree) actually cartman's mom could be anyone at all. vineetcoolguy 17:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

In 407, 'Cherokee Hair Tampons', Cartman is the only person in South Park with the same blood type as Kyle, which might indicate that they are related... - sirop, 26 August 2007

If you look at sirop's statement from a genetic point of view it's nonsense.. A person inherits 1 allele for bloodtype from each parent (A,B or 0). A and B are dominant to 0, therefore there actually 6 Types in genotype (AA,A0,BB,B0,AB,00), but only 4 in phenotype (A,B,AB,0). That means they probably both had 0 or AB as a bloodtype for the other bloodtypes are to common, but that does not mean they are related. They are probably also RhD-negative for this is less common (than RhD-pos), but this also does not imply relation. -CrazyBeaver, 25 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.96.57.43 (talk) 11:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed nonsense, I don't know the number, but there's generally lots of people with the same blood type. Depends of course. Nastajus (talk) 04:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, people in the same family often have different blood types. Blood type doesn't mean much when it comes to determining relation. Gamer 2k4 (talk) 04:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Sexual orientation/gender identity

This needs a serious overhaul, whoever has written the bulk of these references seems unable to distinguish between gender identity and sexual orientation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.149.51 (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Neither can I. What are either of those in the first place, and what is their difference? Wilhelmina Will 18:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

One regards your own gender - ie. whether you see yourself as male or female (or even disregard such a division) - while the other regards what you find attractive in others - ie. Heterosexual, Homosexual etc. It is quite possible to be attracted to your own sex without being gender confused, it is also possible to be a 'woman trapped in a man's body' and still find women attractive.

Looking at the line "Cartman's possible gender confusion is most apparent in the episode "Cartman Sucks", in which Cartman takes pictures of himself with Butter's penis in his mouth to make Butters look homosexual". It might point to confusion over his sexual orientation (though frankly afaic it shows no such thing), but it certainly has no relevance to whether or not Cartman thinks he might be a girl trapped in a boy's body.

i dont feel as if this sextion can be completely answered. in no episode has it shown cartman as being straight or gay. however in the new episode, cartman is on a quest to have kyle suck his balls because of a bet in seeing a leprechaun. MCRnumberONE

It should be noted Cartman has dreams about Kyle, and while purely speculative, there's a fine line between love and hate, and he may be antisemitic to cover up for his own sexual confusion (not to mention attraction to Kyle) in much the same way Mr. Garrison covered up his own sexual confusion with Mr. Hat. -- Benjamin

Mr. Garrison would never blame anything on Mr. Hat! They're best friends! And at any rate, Mr. Hat was also gay. So, I believe, was Mr. Twig. Wilhelmina Will 00:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Cartman has some major homosexual, or at least bi-curious tendecies, as evident in many episodes, including the recent episode Imaginationland and Imaginationland part II. In these two episodes, Cartman has Kyle sign an agreement to literally "suck his balls" if he can prove leprechauns are real. Is this not homosexual? Mizu onna sango15 02:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

And what about the episode AWESOM-O, where we learn he used to dress up as Britney Spears and make out with a cardboard cutout of Justin Timberlake? The general even says "Wow, kid, you're a little faggot!" when he sees the tape of that act! Devil Master (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually according to Butters, he still does. Philbuck222 (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Cartman is a pre-pubescent boy, despite his behavior. I think any speculation about his sexual orientation is a bit premature, when he doesn't even really have a sex drive yet. His desire for Kyle to suck his balls seems to be more about hurting Kyle than giving himself any pleasure. NobleHam 20:47, 01 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.187.128 (talk)

Age has naughtta to do with sex-drive. Depending on when you reached puberty, you could become sexually aroused by something at any time from then on. Haven't you ever heard of the Brazilian - or was she Peruvian? - princess who reached puberty at seven years old? She got aroused by a man, and ended up having a son; who was raised as her brother. Wilhelmina Will 20:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

What? Look at Kenny! Look at Clyde! They have unusuall sex drives for their age, so who's to say Cartman couldn't have one as well? And I don't think Cartman is exactlly aware of his gender, he calls himself a "boy" in some episodes but maybe he is just hoped up on female energy or something. You know how Craig likes to flip people off, but it's speculated he's not aware of the fact that he flips people off? Maybe Cartman's that way, maybe he's gay but he doesn't realize it anyway. But even if he was, I don't see anything wrong with it and all.

--Happydaysthemesong (talk) 03:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

in "Le Pettit Torrett" Cartman sais he is atracted to a girl. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.240.191.45 (talk) 23:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Cartman vs. Little People

As evident in the episode called "With apologies to Jesse Jackson" Cartman is prejudiced to Little People. Is it possible to add this in his personality page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsteroids (talk • contribs) 05:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hm, well, I don't think he hated little people, he just happened to find that one guy (who had an overly high pitched voice) hilarious. IT was mainly the guys voice than his actual stature. C. Pineda (クリス) (talk) 06:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Nazi Symbolism

Eric's nazi-leaning sympathies seem magnified by the fact that his name bears what I feel is more than a coincidental similarity to Nazi fighter pilot "Erich Hartmann". Surely this should be mentioned somewhere at the beginning of the article. - Sestet —Preceding comment was added at 20:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a rather large jump. I'd say that's more co-incidence than anything else. It's not like the creators made the character intentionally anti-semitic in the first few seasons, so why would they have modelled him on an obscure Nazi fighter pilot? Jeff24 (talk) 14:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

(Speculatively)Perhaps they knew about him? (Recalling)Mr. Stone is ethnically Jewish, and Erich Hartmann was a Nazi. (Theorizing)Maybe he did something significantly bad to Mr. Stone's family, and this was his way of getting back? (Upbeat and optimistic)It's not that far-fetched! (Explainatively)After all, Trey Parker got back at his dishonest ex-fiancee by naming Liane Cartman - a porn queen and prostitute - after her! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Although the names seem very similar I'm pretty certain that Erich Hartmann was NOT a nazi. See Wehrmacht. Saying all german military personel were nazis is like saying all US military personel are republicans. 68.59.179.142 (talk) 05:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

They aren't? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Believe it or not, they really aren't.68.59.179.142 (talk) 11:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I know this is off the basic topic, but I have to ask; When did that start? You are talking about the United States of America's military personel, right? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

There are such things as liberal army soldiers, HOWEVER! The issue is not that republicans make up about 80+% of the army, the issue is that, Cartman was NOT named after a Nazi. First, this, Erich Hartmann, was NOT a Nazi, and was even exonerated of all crimes by the current Russian Government, and was recognized, by his former teammates who, I'm sure, had some nazis in them, wanted to clear his name of any wrongdoing, because he was not a Nazi, just a war personnel dragged into war. Secondly, Cartman has only been shown to be sympathetic to Nazis on one or two occasions (The Passion of the Jew is the only situation I can remember). Everything else is just his hatred of Kyle.

He did also dress up as Hitler in another epsiode (until he was given a KKK costume to wear instead) 144.136.116.163 (talk) 03:21, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Futurama: Bender's Big Score

I dunno if this is notable enough to be included somewhere in the article, but in the movie Futurama: Bender's Big Score, Cartman makes a cameo appearance as a head-in-a-jar while Lars and Leela are seen strolling in the museum. vDub (talk) 07:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC) That could go in media. Put it there. --Happydaysthemesong (talk) 03:06, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Flawless in German?

At first the article said that he mispronounced German, now it says he is flawless when speaking it. All I know is that he mispronounced Reich. Just how many mistakes did he make while speaking the language? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.98.75 (talk) 03:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

- His German is horrible, change this section please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.49.222.232 (talk) 19:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC) His german is mediorce, he can speak it okay but he pronounces some things wrong. And it's not him, it's his voice actor Trey Parker. --Happydaysthemesong (talk) 03:07, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Roman Catholic?

Is Cartman really a Catholic? He certainly doesn't behave like one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledge-is-power (talk • contribs) 14:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

What kind of a question? Cartman and Liane frequently are seen in the Church scenes. Cartman is just not religious. The same dicussion was brought up about Stan Marsh some ways back. As one user stated; Unless he is an idiot who just randomly attends religious ceremonies, he is Roman Catholic. The same must be said for Cartman. Try going onto SouthParkstudios.com, and asking in the FAQ section about it. And please sign your comments and post them at the bottom of the page in future. Thank you. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you people need to assimilate the fact that there's no Eric Cartman, there's only Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Having said that, it's plainly stupid to use RL examples as arguments to portray the personality of a fictional character as if he were a real person. Wikipedia is about facts not about personal opinions on fictional people. Most of the information on this article and its talkpage is a waste of good bandwidth. Miskin (talk) 16:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The Faith +1 episode shows that Cartman was only using religion to gain money to beat Kyle in a bet, and in the end of the episode screams "F*ck Jesus" to a crowd of christians when he finds out he lost the bet. Not exactly something a religious person would do. Also, Butters claimed in that episode that the members of Cartman's group Faith + 1 weren't really Christians, they were just pretending. Cartman tells Butters to be quiet. So it seems, that Cartman goes to church because his mom brings him there, not because he wants to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtd00123 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Also don't forget Cartman worships Mel Gibson, a Roman Catholic like a god - so that maybe another indication that is certainly a Roman Catholic 202.81.18.30 (talk) 04:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

A devout catholic, or any denomination, would not worship mel gibson as a god, because of the rule against false gods. So, by that logic, Cartman is certainly not religious. Tealwisp (talk) 21:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe 202.81.18.30 can enlighten us to what is or was the first commandment.

We must come to a consensus, based not on what anyone's opinion on what a catholic would act like. There was recently a change to "protestant" in the infobox, indicating that there is at least some dissent to the idea that he is catholic. I have reset the box to "christian" until there is consensus with a definitive source. There was at least one episode in which the boys were at a catholic church, but I don't know if Cartman was with them. Tealwisp (talk) 21:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Red Hot Catholic Love proves that Cartman is catholic. Tealwisp (talk) 03:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Cartman does go to church in several episodes with several other boys (I can't remember the names of them at the moment, but I do remember one in particular, when he's saying a...well, for lack of a better word, rather profane 'poem' to Stan and Kenny). The thing is, Cartman is 9. He goes to church, more than likely, with his mother, not because he wants to go to church. When I was 9 I only went to church because my parents took me along, I've never been particularly religious. What I'm saying is, while it's evident that Cartman isn't exactly the most religious kid in the world, he goes to a Roman Catholic church, so technically that's his religion.Voltair3 (talk) 02:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

A few of my friends who were Protestant attended my catholic church occasionally, but that didn't make them Catholic. Anyway, The thing that qualifies him as Catholic (or at least Christian) is that he has not only attended mass, but also has been known to profess his faith and practice it. He holds the fundamental beliefs in the Biblical God and Jesus Christ, which are generally considered to be the "criteria" for being a Christian, and he acknowledges it. So, through a purely scientific process, it can be shown that he is catholic. Tealwisp (talk) 04:49, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

True. I'm just saying that, as a 9 year old, he doesn't exactly have much of a choice in religion. Kids that age tend to go to church with their parents, not because of a personal choice. But you're right, he does seem to hold the basic fundamental beliefs that would make him, at the very least, Christian.Voltair3 (talk) 17:30, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah he is definitely not religious, but he is still a Catholic because he attends CHurch and is baptised.

Clyde Frog

Why does Clyde Frog redirect here, there's nothing about it is there? I think it deserves a little paragraph anyone else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.69.149 (talk) 23:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

If you want, you can redirect to the list of other south park residents and make a little section in there for him? Philbuck222 (talk) 22:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't, that norweigen guy on here will delete it saying you don't have enough information and such. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Happydaysthemesong (talk • contribs) 03:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

If you're talking about me, I can assure you that I like adding information much better than removing it, and I wouldn't remove any sensible, sourced information about Clyde Frog from this article - on the contrary, I'd encourage adding it, as Cartman's relationship to his stuffed animals is a notable aspect of his personality. Clyde Frog doesn't belong to a list of characters though, as he's more of an object than a character. And I'm genuinely sorry if I insulted you by undoing some of your edits yesterday. 96T (talk) 14:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Self-hating Jew?

Isn't there a hidden irony on self-hating jews throughout serial? One of Cartman's mom pretendents was, remember, Sheila Broflovski. Are there any discussions on that theme? -- 195.50.1.122 (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Cartman is not a self-hating Jew because Cartman is not Jewish - he is Roman Catholic 202.81.18.30 (talk) 04:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-practising Roman Catholic; he never really cares about religion outside of using it against Kyle or to acheive his goals. --Simpsons fan 66 11:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

No he is a practising Catholic as he often seen at church with his mother, he just isn't very devout. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.62.83 (talk) 07:50, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Good article?

My pet project for the last couple of days has been overhauling this article. It now has a photo montage, 25 references, perfect (or at least close) spelling/grammar etc, and has been reorganized and largely rewritten. I'm considering nominating it for GA status, what do "ya'all" think? --L'Aquatique[review] 04:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I concur. This is article still has lot of scope of improvement to be a featured article, but this article has improved drastically within last week. Wikipedia has to Respect Cartman's Authoritah one day or other.Slimmer Eric Cartman (talk) 22:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

HAH! So true. I guess I'll go nominate, then... L'Aqùatique[review] 22:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I hate to say this, but this page is nowhere near GA status. Check current GAs like Homer Simpson, Troy McClure, Ned Flanders, Waylon Smithers and Sideshow Bob, and listen to the DVD commentaries to get more background info. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, remind me to never, ever become a GA reviewer, because I really strongly disagree with this. All the articles listed should be featured, a good article is merely one that is "satisfactory". Considering the goodly majority of articles here are unreferenced stubs, this article is considerably better than those... L'Aqùatique[review] 02:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I have to concur with Scorpion here, this was far from Good Article class when you nom'd it, L'Aquatique. The aformentioned articles do not quite meet the Featured criteria, so they're fine the way they are. This particular article would need a lot of cleanup just to reach B-class, IMHO, as there is still a lot of cruftiness still exsisting. It is also very in-universe in nature. Consider giving it a sufficient re-write (or at least a good copyedit) before trying again. --Mizu onna sango15/^Discuss 21:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

GA review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   There are quite a few things that need touching up in the article.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   There are references for some of the sections, but there are lots of unsourced statements and OR in the in pop culture section.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   I really don't see the point of using a montage, and it probably goes against the image policy because combining several fair use images is generally frowned upon.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   While the article has improved quite a bit from the state it was a few weeks ago, it still has a ways to go. The article focuses too much on the in-universe aspects of his character, but wikipedia is more about real-world information, and there is quite a bit that could be added. I suggest listening to the commentaries, reading some interviews and trying to find more creation/development info on the character. For a model of what to base the article on, see Troy McClure, a FA, or Homer Simpson, Waylon Smithers, Sideshow Bob, Ned Flanders or any other present GAs. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Keep Walking

I will work on this article as and when I get time. But I want to see Cartman article featured. It is long overdue. Slimmer Eric Cartman (talk) 03:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Sexuality

We don't need a section about Cartman's sexuality. He is nine years old. Raddboz (talk) 15:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Please refer to the above discussions. Age has little to do with his sexuality— he is indeed at the very least bi-curious. Eric has engaged in many acts and situations which could be perceived as homoerotic (see "AWESOM-O", "Le Petit Tourette", The Jeffersons (South Park episode)" and other episodes); whether or not he is nine is completely immaterial. --Mizu onna sango15/^Discuss 21:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

What the heck happened to this article?

It used to be so long, yet so informative and true. What happened? 72.221.127.126 (talk) 04:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Perhaps this article needs to go back a few months to a prior version. Now it is consistently bad in spelling, grammar, capitalisation. The information is repetitively redundant, contains massive speculation and conclusions that cannot be substantiated and leaves out key information while focusing on things that are arguably of less importance than things that are left out. --Smacksaw (talk) 11:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)smacksaw

Psychopath or sociopath?

NOTE: Have merged separate discussions as the article has recently been rewritten. My interpretation of the original is that there was no consensus on this question. Most editors supported the opinion of the show's creators, that the subject was broadly sociopathic. However, it was not established whether this was due to the subject's non-traditional upbringing, as portrayed in earlier seasons, his "ultimate" rejection of social norms, or a combination of both (illustrating the effects of mass, accessible culture on children). This led to "the subject should be seen as borderline psychopathic" and unsupported attempts to frame his dreams, and characterisation in fantasies, as psychopathic (the imagery in them being written about in absolute terms). Ottre (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed there's been a small revert war concerning whether Cartman is a sociopath or psycopath. As a user put it earlier on the talk page, pychopath's are usually insane and disconnected with reality, though Cartman tends to show traits which go beyond sociopathy. So what conclusion should we come to, sociopath or psychopath? Goldfishsoldier (talk) 04:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

• (Original argument for) sociopath. A psychopath loses touch with reality. Cartman is perfectly sane, however he acts in an anti-social manner for personal gain of some sort or the other. So shouldn't the line read 'sociopath'? I am aware tha psychopathy is also sociopathy, however not all sociopaths are psychopaths. I've made the edit. --86.129.97.12 (talk) 22:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Clarification: he's smart and evil. Nastajus (talk) 04:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• I honestly can't reach a basis either. Why not include both? At least for the time being - like until the twelfth season starts in March? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
• sociopath. He has perfect understanding that he is manipulative and evil. A true psychopath never has insight to accept these things. In an episode "The List" , in the unaired footage , it is shown that instead of Kyle , he is the last kid on girls' list. So he is in cafeteria with other ugly kids. He then says "[Even though I may not be good looking] , What matters is the kind of person I am from inside". And then says "goddamn it" and slumps. He knows he is evil. Hence he cannot possibly be a psychopath. I wonder how many psychopaths will readily accept. Based on the opinions of shrinks, I will say none. Also in many episodes he openly admits he manipulates people to their advantage. I have seen one true psychopath and she was exactly opposite. Manipulative , cunning but at the same time lacking complete insight to label her behaviour so.66.165.176.60 (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)Swapnil
• sociopath. Comments such as this: "Eric Cartman [was always] a blatant caricature of Martin Heidegger." Corresponding media ecological perspective that the series created a culture hero uncomfortable in modernity: "Cartman's suspicions [necessarily lead to] America's old enemies." The nature of psychopathy was examined in the earlier characterisation, but the prevailing theme (as the series now concludes) seems to be that he actively desires an ideological (as opposed to religious or ethnic) focus for society. Ottre (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Irish-American

How is Cartman an Irish American, as we have a link to it at the bottom of the page? He's not Irish, and the show has never said he's Irish at all. In fact, he's probably German. Any name that ends with man is generally German. --98.235.80.94 (talk) 02:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

he believes that he's not fat, but he's big-boned

i dont think thats true. He says hes big boned I dont think he believes it. He knows hes fat he says people at school call him fat he just doesn't have the will power to stop eating cheesy poofs.

>>he also says other "excuses" for his weight "im not fat, i'm festively plump" "im not fat, i have a sweet hockey body"

i think cartman's mum has shrouded his own perception of his appearance. this is evident in the episode when his mum unexpectently sends him to fat camp. im not sure of the exact quote but cartman says to his mum that she had always told him he was big boned and she replies quite bluntly no...ur just fat. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.255.19.192 (talk) 10:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Cartman's age

Wouldn't Cartman be at least 549 years old after the Go God Go episode in which Eric freezes himself, is unfrozen 540 years later, and the sent back to 2006? Jecowa (talk) 20:25, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

That's true, I'll find a way to mention that. ArtistScientist (talk) 09:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Big cleanup

In my quest to clean up the SP bio pages, I've made a significant edit to this page. I mostly removed OR and condensed a lot of repetitive material. I also removed most of the inane trivia and incorporated the rest that was somewhat useful (kept info such as how different periodicals and shows rank him in the grand scheme of cartoon characters, got rid of stuff like what wrestler likes to carry Cartman dolls to the ring and what TV shows have shown clips of Cartman using his catchphrases). I also removed stuff that cited imdb's biography page, which can be edited by anyone and isn't immune to POV.

I rearranged most a lot of the article in an attempt to spread out the numerous adjectives used to describe Cartman, and went on with some further descriptions from there (as cautiously as I could to avoid POV, all while citing episodes). I also tried to format it in the same way I've done to the previous bio pages I've edited. As usual, I recommend anyone to further discuss any other improvements that can be made (still room for plenty) or to discuss their thoughts as to why they disagree with the large edits I've been making. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 18:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Categories

Well...here's why I think the "Fictional murderers", "Fictional criminals", and "Fictional Cryo..." categories should be removed.

1) Is he really a murderer? Yes, he once killed Kenny (by accident, with a frying pan) while under the influence of Ritalin. And we all know about what used to happen to Kenny each week. He killed the "messenger boy" in a hallucinatory flashback...so does that really count? And then there's the whole Scott Tenorman deal. Technically, he didn't commit the murder. Yes, in reality he would consequentially be held liable somehow...but it's South Park, not reality. And yes, he always suggests to the other boys about murdering Kyle, and murdering his mom, but has he ever done it? Nope. The article even mentions a quote from Trey Parker about how Cartman is capable of anything "short of murder".

2) Criminal? Well, I don't see it that way. Common mischief, maybe. And the more serious acts he commits are, like I mentioned, handled in such a way within the South Park universe that they never have any serious legal consequence. The times they do (such as going to juvenile hall for the "hate crime" on Token) are, to me, spoofs of the overreactions we sometimes have to certain crimes.

3) The whole frozen in ice thing is technically true, but it happened in one episode. The instance doesn't play an integral part to knowing about anything else that occurs in other episodes, unlike, say, it being an important thing to know about Frey in Futurama. If you include this, you might as well create categories such as "Fictional characters who have been in a coma", "...fell off a roof", "...been to outer space", "...Christian band members", "...little league baseball players", etc. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, the frozen thing can be taken out with no problem. The criminal thing is easily applied, as Cartman is guilty of conspiracy to commit murder (scott tenorman), and about the murder, I guess it's admissable that conspiracy doesn't technically count. Oh, and more about the criminal thing, the false police reports he would have fiiled when he was "psychic." I suppose you can remove the murder thingif you really want to, but if other users call for its restoration, I suggest we leave it. Tealwisp (talk) 03:33, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• Uh, don't you have to be convicted before being classified a criminal? DP76764 (Talk) 04:55, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

A criminal is someone who breaks the law, a convict is convicted. Madoff is certainly a criminal, even if he hasn't been convicted, just like the original Ponzi. Tealwisp (talk) 05:06, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

• So much for 'innocent until proven guilty' ;) item 2 DP76764 (Talk) 05:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

OK, I think it's suitable to leave "Fictional criminals" on here while the other two go. Readers of the article and the main South Park article will hopefully get a full understanding of how it's one big spoof and will relate Cartman's activities with the context of the show. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 07:37, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

That funfair bit was a huge misconduct as where maintanance is concerned, where Kenny "Always dies". Not to mention unpaid taxes.--83.108.28.91 (talk) 00:18, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Voicing

I noticed while watching Helen Keller! The Musical that around Season 4, Cartman's voice and style change significantly. The change must've happened somewhere between the end of Season 3 and the middle of Season 4. The way I see it, this is around the time his monologue tirades (marked by his "Hey! if [insert name] [insert verb] that to me" followed by his "I'll kick him in the nuts" (which also disappears)) disappear, and his "But moms!" appear. It's not really significant but it's a change I've observed that I'd just like to point out. AznWarlord (talk) 00:21, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

http://www.southparkstudios.com/search/?search=cartman%20voice&type=faq If you see there, there are quite a few different questions on the official South Park website regarding Cartman's voice. A character's voice changes, and it states that yes, Cartman's voice changes, but that a character's voice changes all the time in shows. Gentleheart123 (talk) 04:35, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Summary of major edit

Re: this edit:

• Slightly altered and expanded the lead, removing ref notes and elaborating on statements in lead with sourced info elsewhere in the article, as per MoS.
• New infobox .png image from free promotional source, as it better represents the character than the previous image, which seemed "fan-drawn; added images of Cartman buddied up with Butters and confronting Kyle, as well as Trey Parker image.
• Replaced most episode cites with cites from secondary sources.
• Removed "In-Universe" tag and added as much "real world" info I could find. I think it has to suffice for now because I've done an exhaustive search for weeks and have found little else in addition to what I've included here.
• Reverted own edits which detailed his collection of stuffed animals; in hindsight, shouldn't have added them in the first place as it's rather trivial; same goes for the descriptions of his receiving a visit from his future self, the examples of how he degrades Butters, his relationship with his cat and pig, and his speech eccentricities.
• Added new sections and rearranged article into a new format.
• Removed link to site containing translations of his speech, as the site itself admits it relies primarily on fan submissions; OR.

I tried to make a note about his numerous popular catchphrases, the only two of which I could find any decent verifiable secondary sources on were the "Authoritah!" and "Screw you guys..." ones. It's not of the utmost importance, but finding some decent info about "Beefcake!", "No kitty, this is my pot pie!", "Whatevah! I do what I want!", etc. and expanding the article a bit by including such info would give more weight to the catchphrase portion of the "Cultural impact" section.

As always...please post gripes, thoughts, disagreements, suggestions, etc. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:31, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Infobox image

This discussion on the South Park Wikiproject talk page concerns this article. Some feedback there would be appreciated. Thanks. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 18:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

File:Eric.svg
File:EricCartman1.svg
Any opinions on which image should be used? - SoSaysChappy (talk) 08:49, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't really know how to use Wikipedia so I am putting this here. I think the article needs to mention that Cartman (other than Mr. Macky) is the only character that speaks Spanish. This can be seen both in D-Yikes and My future Self and Me. I believe it is in some other episodes as well —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.234.196.103 (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Voice

I think some info for how he sounds should be added, I just don't know where. For example: Cartman pronounces some words differently than others. For "authority" he says "authorit-ai", for "property" he says "propertai" and for "here" he says "hnaw". He also delays the last syllable of "hurray", so he says "hur--ray". --MasterOfTheXP (talk) 20:38, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like trivia to me. DP76764 (Talk) 20:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The "property" and "here" things were in the article until recently. The "authoritah" bit is still on there because it is part of the section that explains how "respect my authoritah" became a catchphrase, but I couldn't find any sources explaining how the way he pronounces the other words are of any importance. Most popular cartoon characters have unique ways of accentuating certain words, so I agree that it's moderately trivial in the grand scheme of things. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 21:35, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Eric Cartman/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

One of my favorite South Park character, too. Anyway, it is well written, well sourced and neutral. It has no edit war. So, this is nearly a pass. The only problem I had is images. Three are not free. In accordance to Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria, the article should limit the amount of non-free content used. So, I think the screenshots have to go. The infobox image is fine since it increases readers' understanding of the topic.—Chris! _ct 02:18, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah ...bells and whistles. Fixed. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 09:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Nice... pass—Chris! _ct 20:57, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Johnson?

Who is "Johnson," noted in the last paragraph under Cultural Impact? Unclemikejb (talk) 15:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Probably the author of reference 10, David Kyle Johnson? Synchronism (talk) 17:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

SVG character images

Please see this discussion at WikiProject South Park regarding the use of hand-made SVG images vs. official images. —Noisalt (talk) 20:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Dissertation on Cartman's voice

Hi, I found a paper called "An analysis of phonology and humor in Trey Parker and Matt Stone’s South Park". I think we can use it a source to discuss the unique inflections of Cartman's voice. (It's a good, fun read too; Cartman fans should check it out.) indopug (talk) 03:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Tonsil Trouble/Cartman's treatment of Kyle

Re: [1]

OK, I certainly agree that the addition of saying that Cartman goes beyond just "insulting" Kyle and exposes him to other harm is a good one; the article did lack this info which has certainly become a common part in the show. But including this aspect into the normal flow of the prose of the section would be better than simply listing one example of when this has happened (i.e. the "Tonsil Trouble" episode), so I consolidated the new edit with what was already in place.

The other "episode examples" in the section are intended to explain an overall view of his role in the show ("Breast Cancer Show Ever" to explain how all the other student characters feel about Cartman) and to supplement the prose that states that the Cartman/Kyle rivalry eventually boiled over to a point where a three-episode trilogy revolved entirely around it ("Imaginationland").

To use one episode to entirely explain what has happened in numerous other episodes (off the top of my head, I can remember episodes in which Cartman tries to beat Kyle to death with a bat, holds him at gunpoint, suggests that he be killed, etc.) would be relying too much of one primary source (see WP:WAF and WP:UNDUE) and to include all examples would be example-farming that treads into fancruft territory. So I used the source that accompanied the mention of the HIV infection and left it in as a source to the statement that Cartman is indeed known to put Kyle in harm's way from time to time. The best thing to do would be to find more secondary sources pertaining to other episodes in which Cartman does just that and include them as well. Cheers. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 07:31, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Cats

I added the following paragraph to "Personality and traits":

Altruism by Cartman is usually revealed as self-serving, with one exception. In the series 12 episode Major Boobage cats are illegal and will be destroyed; Cartman is unable to resist sheltering them. Kyle asks if Cartman sees any parallel between the destruction of cats through no fault of their own and (by pointed implication) Cartman's own antisemitic prejudices, but Cartman denies seeing a parallel to any other matter.

[2]

It's significant because as best I can tell, this is the only episode in all 13 years that shows a genuine altruistic or sympathetic aspect of Cartman's personality, where Cartman does something potentially dangerous to himself to help others without seeking reward, and also because its pointed parallel to World War 2 (as shown by the background music and last few seconds of that episode). The addition was removed without discussion as OR, which looks incorrect. Pasting here for opinions. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 01:39, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

How is this not WP:OR? You're drawing a conclusion (one of the definitions of OR) and not citing any sources to back it up. Also, WP:BRD doesn't need any discussion until after the R, which is where we are now. DP76764 (Talk) 05:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

The episode itself is a source for the fact. A user wishing to verify the statement that episode X shows a character behaving in manner Y can verify it by watching that episode. A user wishing to verify the statement that this is exceptional in the series may watch the series and note there are no other clear exceptions. There is no OR, and neither is synthesis taking place - the observation is not being used to conclude anything. It is simply stated as a verifiable fact about the personality- and behavior-related matters portrayed in the series.

See also the essay WP:NOTOR which makes the same point: A book, short story, film, or other work of fiction is a primary source for any article or topic regarding that work. Anything that can be observed by a reasonable person simply by reading the work itself, without interpretation, is not original research, but is reliance upon a primary source.

As for BRD - indeed, asking for opinions is part of discussion. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 10:34, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Any disagreement? FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 14:36, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Kind of a gray area. The wording of the original edit would comply with WP:NOTOR save for the "pointed implication" part. That might give a slight indication of a personal interpretation of a primary source, but if it's agreed upon that what was said can be easily deduced "by a reasonable person simply..." then I would not object. I would suggest, however, re-wording such an edit so as not to make it appear that so much weight is being given to an exception of his behavior. To me, it seems like a long, fancy way of saying "Cartman was nice once." Add more secondary (and primary) info describing his "self-serving" behavior, then tack on the cat sheltering bit, explaining how the "180" was so significant that an entire subplot to an episode revolved around it. ...and sources wouldn't hurt. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 07:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

The "pointed implication" to antisemitism is fairly obvious to any viewer. For example the Jewish music in the background any time cat rescuing is referenced (unlike any other episode); the references to hiding in the attic and writing a diary (Ann Frank); the rather blatant Jewish woman who asks for a cat to be hidden; and Kyle asking at the end if this all doesn't remind Cartman of something. The significance of the episode isn't that "Cartman was nice once", but that it shows the only point in the series to date where he visibly cares for something or someone other than himself. FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 13:43, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

As I said, it would be best to explain this within some context. I suppose "Cartman was nice once" was an over-generalization ...add some context about his trend of self-serving behavior, then mention this episode as a significant exception. Although I don't see the need for such an in-depth description of the references and allusions to Anne Frank, etc., because this would be weighted towards the narrative of the episode and have less to do about the character of Cartman (It would work very well on the "Major Boobage" episode though). Also, I would tread lightly in saying this was the only time he cared for something or someone other than himself. I would say, however, that this was the most significant coverage of such an instance. A case can be made for him selflessly wanting to help Stan's sister in "Cat Orgy", Chef in "The Return of Chef", Butters in "Butters' Bottom Bitch", Starvin' Marvin in "Starvin Marvin in Space", his cellmate in "Cartman's Silly Hate Crime 2000", the whale in "Free Willzyx", etc. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 08:00, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I probably could have worded it tighter. How does this wording work: "Cartman is usually portrayed as a self-centered individual. It is rare that his actions are not directed by a selfish motive or plan, bigotry, or revenge, and in such episodes, peer pressure, coercion or common goals are often responsible. In one episode genuine emotional feeling and altruistic behavior at cost to himself is shown, where Cartman protects cats against law enforcement despite risk to himself. (...)". Better approach? FT2 ^{(Talk | email)} 13:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed! And I'm liking how this info can potentially open up the possibility of finding some sources about what M&T have to say about exactly why they make him this way. Already saw an article recently where they describe him as doing and saying things they would never say or do themselves. Hopefully more can be found and worked in. New season starts tomorrow. Beware the vandals. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 06:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Jakovasaurus is another example of Cartman genuinely caring for something, could anyone note that as well? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 22:46, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I was making a case against the "cat hiding" being the only instance he cared for something. It would be trivial to simply list any or all of these instances. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 01:41, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Blackwater scandal

For those of you familiar with this story, what's the best way to work it into the article (if you, like me, feel like the article should not avoid it). Appropriate for the "Cultural impact" section? - SoSaysChappy (talk) 08:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Cultural Impact (ala 'the sourced trivia section') is probably the best place, imho. DP76764 (Talk) 15:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

His New Real Name

Since Eric's father is revealed to be Scot Teddermen, shouldn't his name be changed to Eric Theodore Tenorman Cartman ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.164.224.193 (talk) 07:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Liane was never married to Jack Tenorman. She never took his last name. Her last name is Cartman, thus so is Eric's. - SoSaysChappy (talk) 09:53, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

When was this revealed? Shouldn't the article state this? 98.198.83.12 (talk) 06:33, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Episode "201". And it's already in the article. DP76764 (Talk) 15:18, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Must have slipped past me. 98.198.83.12 (talk) 07:51, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Anti PC?

Not really. He blames the jews for what happened to Jesus. It is my honest opinion that Pontius Pilate had the guts to make his own decissions. The Emporor would allow only tough Civil Servants for the job as a Guvernor in this part of the Roman Empire. Many theologist professors, be they Irish, Latin American or other types of catholics, seem to all say that Jesus was just another prisoner. Only later would Pontius Pilate discover that it was just not another day at the office.

I am not an Afrikander, but Cartman is more PC than all else. He even treats Mel Gibson as a God.--83.108.28.91 (talk) 00:14, 9 November 2010 (UTC)