Talk:Glee albums discography

Karaoke versions

According to iTunes, karaoke versions of "Keep Holding On", "Lean on Me", "Somebody to Love", "My Life Would Suck Without You" and "True Colors" have also been released for download. Obviously they'll just be the Glee arrangements rather than by the Glee cast, but I'm not sure whether they should be mentioned here somewhere? Frickative 20:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Well of course it is totally unlikely that they will chart but they may have significant sales figures so perhaps that is enough relevance.--Coin945 (talk) 05:07, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Record Breaking

Glee is like 5 songs away from beating the Beatles in the record for the most songs on Billboard Top 100 in a year. There are probably a lot of other records that Glee is very close to (or has already beaten). I suggest a section listing all these achievements on the main page.--Coin945 (talk) 05:14, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

This page out of date. Glee has now officially over-taken the Beatles for the most amount of charts on the Billbord 100 for one year.--Coin945 (talk) 10:02, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Not really, as the source discusses how many singles they had out in 2009 and the article reflects that - it's not like they've gone back in time and released more last year :p Do you have any sources for any of these records? Frickative 16:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

In 2009 Glee did not overtake the Beatles. That is fact and cannot be refuted. However after a quick count for the number of charts in 2010, it is clear to see that Glee has overtaken the Beatles' record. The source is merely a matter of addition.--Coin945 (talk) 04:20, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd rather stick to details that can be reliably sourced to third parties. Nothing in the Billboard article indicates whether the record they refer to was set in one calendar year, or a random 12–month span. Looking at List of The Beatles' record sales, that indicates it was a calendar year, in which case Glee have still not beaten it. I'm sure if they go on to beat it in 2010, some external site will find it noteworthy enough to mention. Frickative 06:57, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Apolegies... Glee is up to 29 for 2010 and the Beatles' record was 31.--Coin945 (talk) 08:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries, Googling around I did find a couple of interesting bits that I've added to the lead, such as them beating The Beatles' record for shortest span between number ones. If they do the same with the next EP, they'll even beat their own record! Frickative 08:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, just out of interest, do you think it's about time for excerts of all the different songs of glee to be placed on the various pages about the individual Albumss and EP's as well as the more broad pages? On practically any other prestegeous page nowadays on youtube, there is an abundance of song excerts, glee being one of the more rare examples where this step has not been done. Obvoisly unlike the other discographies, escrts probably couldn't be placed in each individual osngs' pages as they are merely covers rather than originals but i think this is something that needs to be considered.--Coin945 (talk) 13:48, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

By excerpt, do you mean a clip of the song, such as File:Michael Jackson - Billie Jean.ogg? (Sorry if I've misunderstood :)) What would be the fair use rationale? Frickative 14:03, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Yah! Or like File:Iwanttoholdyourhandsample.ogg. All those types of audio excerpts. I'm sure what the fair use raitonale would be (I'm not that good in that department) but couldn't you just copy the fair use rationales used in a file like the one you wrote down here because it applies to the same circumstances.--Coin945 (talk) 10:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Glee is now tied with the Beatles for 2010. One more chart and whether it is well documented or not, it should be included in the article. Once it is, people will realise and it will be widely documented.--Coin945 (talk) 06:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, Wikipedia isn't the place to add facts together and publish new facts - see WP:SYNTH and WP:OR. We should only report on what has already been published. Frickative 09:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I think it would also be good to say in the lead that they got their first number one single with "Gives You Hell" in Ireland. Would that need a source that specifically says that? AnemoneProjectors 12:48, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure – I think that could just be a matter of summarising what's already in the body of the article? I can't find any useful sources because the wording is all similar to this, calling it the first number one in Ireland rather than the first number one generally, but I think it would be okay, because it's self-evident from the table which itself is well sourced. Frickative 13:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

NZ

i'm thinking of removing the new zealand column in this chart, since only the debut single, "Don't Stop Believin'" charted. it's already mentioned on the song page anyway, just like the only israel charting position. thoughts? Yvesnimmo (talk) 01:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable to me. I wasn't even aware the song had charted in Israel, so that should probably be noted at "Pilot" as well, but as long as that and the song article have a record of it, I've no objection to removing the NZ column here. Frickative 16:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Charting non-singles

Journey to Regionals produced a few songs that charted on the hot 100 but weren't released as singles. How will those be dealt with on the chart? Specifically, Faithfully is at #37, Over the Rainbow at #43, Don't Stop Believin' (Regionals version) #59, To Sir With Love #76, and Bohemian Rhapsody #84.76.123.91.179 (talk) 17:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

They are in the chart under the "Other songs" section, as is every single other non-single song that has charted on the Hot 100, on the respective discographies. Yvesnimmo (talk) 04:44, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

"Don't Stop Believin'" (Regionals version)

I have decided to remove "Don't Stop Believin'" from the Other charted songs section because charts are treating it as a re-entry of the debut single (see sources here, here, here, and here). Also, songs re-enter charts all the time, and it doesn't mean they should have separate entries in the discography. Yvesnimmo (talk) 07:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Singles chart

This is only a suggestion but perhaps putting the headings for each country's column should be repeated between 2009 and 2010 singles, because at the moment you have to scroll all the way up to the top to view which country you're looking at in each column on the chart if you haven't memorised the order they're listed in. This isn't usually an issue, because most artists don't have such an extensive list of charting singles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.13.66 (talk) 14:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Good suggestion, but the Manual of Style on accessibility says, "Do not place column headers in the middle of a table to visually separate the table.". It's an accessibility issue. Yves (talk) 14:18, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

That's ok. Perhaps a Madonna-like singles chart could be an alternative solution then? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_singles_discography

Her's are seperated into decades but with Glee songs they could be seperated into year groups? e.g. 2009, 2010 etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.240.13.66 (talk) 14:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Now split by seasons. :) Yves (talk) 04:38, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Singles vs. other charted songs

What's the difference between the "singles" and the "other charted songs"? Aren't they all sold as digital downloads, which is the functional equivalent of a single? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:42, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

You are correct; they are all sold as digital downloads. Only difference is most are specifically sold as singles, while other tracks are not and only available through the albums (EPs included). You can see which ones are singles on Amazon.com and the iTunes Store as well as Sony Music sites. Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals, for example, saw no singles released and those wanting to purchase the tracks had to purchase from the EP, and not as singles. Yves (talk) 06:56, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Is this just a minor marketing distinction -- in one case, Amazon or iTunes publicizes the song as being "available as a single", and in the other case, Amazon or iTunes publicizes only the EP, but still sells the individual tracks separately? Either way, it seems like the buyer winds up with the same thing: one downloaded song. It would seem just as logical to place the "other charted songs" in the same chart with the singles, but if it is necessary to distinguish the "singles" from the rest, the chart could be labeled "Singles and other charted songs" and indicate in the Album column which tracks were not released as singles but as album tracks only. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:24, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

In the case of Glee: The Music, The Power of Madonna, though, all tracks are available for individual purchase and were released as singles. Songs are recorded, and then most are made available as singles, released digitally. The albums (including EPs) are physical CDs that are also made available online. Nearly all FL discographies have an "Other charted songs" section in addition to the "Singles" section, as the "Singles" section lists all released singles regardless of charting (e.g. "Don't Make Me Over", "(You're) Having My Baby", "Funny Girl", etc.), while the "Other charted songs" has the six tracks from Journey to Regionals as well as "I Say a Little Prayer", which charted in the United Kingdom. There are songs that are not in this discography: "I Wanna Sex You Up", "I Could Have Danced All Night", and "Leaving on a Jet Plane" were all released on certain issues of Glee: The Music, Volume 1, but never charted. I see your point about the singles seeing no physical release (although I do believe "Don't Stop Believin'" was released as a physical single in certain areas, but I'm still searching for a reliable source), but there is a clear, verifiable distinction between songs released as singles and songs that were not. Yves (talk) 07:34, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess this is an issue that does not pertain specifically to the Glee Cast, but to the overall marketing methods of the music industry in 2010. I have to admit that I'm not completely up to date in terms of following the digital download market. But from the customer's perspective, what is the difference between buying the Glee Cast single "Another One Bites the Dust" and buying the Glee Cast track "Bohemian Rhapsody"? "Another One Bites the Dust" can be purchased as a single, or you can also buy the entire album Glee: The Music, The Complete Season One instead. "Bohemian Rhapsody" can't be purchased as a single -- but you can buy it as a single track from Glee: The Music, Journey to Regionals, or you could buy the whole Journey to Regionals album instead. Right? How does this make a difference to the customer? At this point, I'm not singling out the Glee Cast as a group which distinguishes between their singles and their other tracks which also hit the charts, I'm more trying to figure out how this distinction applies in the whole industry. When I was young, one could buy albums on 12-inch vinyl LPs, or on cassettes, and then later on compact disc. Or one could buy singles, first on 7-inch vinyl, then on cassettes, and later on CD as well. (The history in the previous two sentences has been oversimplified, but you get the idea.) Only singles were eligible to hit the Billboard Hot 100, and if a song wasn't released on a single, one couldn't buy it at all without purchasing the whole album. Now, obviously, times have changed. But if many singles are available only as downloads, and individual album tracks are also available as downloads, what distinctions can one make between singles and non-single album tracks that are sold separately? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:44, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess the difference to the purchaser is that the singles are released the day of episode airing, and the non-EP albums are released only later. With the EPs, they accompany special episodes, and, even though the tracks from The Power of Madonna were released as singles, the tracks from Journey to Regionals were not, and it seems to be heading that way, as the tracks for The Rocky Horror Glee Show are available for pre-order from the EP, but not as singles. I think this is to avoid being redundant. So I think that's what it is: just the earlier purchase date, as the creators of Glee know people will want to buy the songs from the episodes, but obviously the complete non-EP albums will not have been made available for purchase yet. I agree with you that the Western music industry is heading in a complete new direction, and with albums by popular artists seeing promotional singles being released (e.g. three from Teenage Dream, three from Speak Now, two from The Fame Monster, two from Doo-Wops & Hooligans, etc.), these are helping to promote sales as well as gain exposure and these tracks usually do chart on the Billboard Hot 100. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the concept of a CD single is only widely sold in the UK and most of Europe? I've never seen any stores in Canada and the US sell them... well I haven't been to the US much, and the music stores there less, but there seems to be no distinction between singles and other charted songs in this hemisphere. You're right; this isn't an issue that pertains solely to the Glee Cast. Yves (talk) 18:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

What would be most helpful to me would be if someone could point me to an article in Billboard magazine or somewhere that explains the distinction. I appreciate your efforts to explain this, but for some reason I'm still not getting it. (The "released the day the episode aired" issue is, of course, something that only applies to the Glee Cast. And back in the day, singles could be released long after an album came out; Def Leppard's Hysteria, Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814, Michael Jackson's Thriller, and Bruce Springsteen's Born in the U.S.A. all had singles released every few months until more than a year after the albums were released.) --Metropolitan90 (talk) 11:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't stop believing

Shouldn't there be something in the Notes section below the discography table that the charting for Don't Stop Believing include both versions - that of the Pilot and of Regionals??--Coin945 (talk) 06:48, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

It was originally in the "Other charted songs" section (it was never released a single), but I decided to remove it (I believe I wrote an explanation in an above section) because Billboard, The Official Charts Company, the Irish Recorded Music Association, and the Australian Recording Industry Association all regard it as a re-entry of the same song, noting no differences. Yves (talk) 07:08, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Last Xmas

Seeing as the length of it is 3:38 (the same as the single from last year) can we move it from "Non-album/episode single" to Yuletide once it airs? Cause it kinda seems like it's gonna be the same version. 75.68.52.240 (talk) 23:37, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

If we get confirmation, then yes. It is pretty much the same length, but that doesn't mean it's the same version. Yves (talk) 00:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Out of interest, would we actually move it to the season two table, or leave it in place to preserve chronology? I don't know what typically happens with re-released singles. Frickative 00:50, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Good question. In this case, I am not sure if it will be re-released as a single. If it does, then usually it is counted as the same song and the same entry, and Billboard will regard it as a continuation of the original release (i.e. instead of having charted for one week during its début, it will have charted for two weeks [or whatever the number is]). In this case, it would remain as is, because the year in the discography is for original release. [I don't know if this is clear and I've had to rewrite this a few times, but feel free to ask me to elaborate if you are still unclear.] Yves (talk) 00:58, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Oh, no, that's perfectly clear thank you :) I didn't know Billboard did it that way, so that's very useful to know. Frickative 01:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Guys! The previews are up and it's the exact same! http://www.gleeforum.com/Christmas-Album-Previews-t12605.html

P.S. I know this is not a reliable source, I just wanted y'all to hear it! 216.204.206.155 (talk) 14:30, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

New EP

http://www.gleethemusic.com/us/news/glee-target-exclusive-sale-1228

Last Xmas Again

The version on the Christmas Album is actually DIFFERENT than the single. I listened to them both at the same time the other day, and there is some extra vocalization and instrumental towards the end. So, um, yeah.... However you need to change the articles, just go right ahead! 75.68.52.240 (talk) 20:49, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how you can tell by listening to them both at the same time unless you have some audio visualization software. In any case, this is original research, which is not allowed. Granted, there isn't a source that confirms the two are the same. Yves (talk) 20:56, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I know there's no source, but I was referring to my earlier post. (Hence, "Again".) Also, I listened to the single on my iPod and the Album version in the stereo and listened very carefully. I can elaborate if you need more info! ;D 75.68.52.240 (talk) 21:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

That's a kind offer, but it still wouldn't help, as it would still be original research. Yves (talk) 21:05, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

So how would I get it to not be original research? Do I have to actually find an article about it from a "professional website"? Because, I don't know if that exists. I just want all the references to the song to differ between the two! Is that too much to ask?!? 75.68.52.240 (talk) 21:11, 17 December 2010 (UTC)