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Population

Population is more than 46 milions, is 46.951.532 [1]


POV edit by User:James Bond 000

I reverted[1] a recent edit by the above user as they did not adhere to a neutral point of view and also introduced grammatical errors. Jezhotwells (talk)

"Terrorist group ETA"

radical nationalist movement led by the terrorist group ETA.

The term "terrorist" is a contentious label, and most certainly does not adhere to neutral POV (see WP:LABEL). Advise rewording or striking the "terrorist" label altogether. Any objection? 184.56.233.7 (talk) 20:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ETA uses bombs and guns to terrorise and ideologically defends its right to do so. Zapatero thought that being a nice chappie would change things. He has had to learn the hard way. In Franco's time, ETA had a plausible defence for such tactics but who can say that since then? It is a "terrorist group" because terror is one of its methods. Therefore, the "terrorist" adjective is quite objective in ETA's case. But perhaps I'm too simple minded for our sophisticated times.Provocateur (talk) 11:52, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree on this point. Most sources describe ETA as a terrorist group, see ETA and its sourcing. Jezhotwells (talk) 21:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The manual of style does make a good point about when Wikipedia should use the word "terrorist". I feel like a simple inline citation next to the word (pointing to an article such as http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1559677/Eta-terrorists-demand-protection-money.html) would be sufficient, concise, and adhere to official policy neatly. What do you think? Technician Fry (talk) 02:15, 7 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea.Provocateur (talk) 06:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The climatic zones are completely wrong!

Someone should revisit the Climate zone information. Tha map attached as image is completely wrong. As reference get this http://portales.educared.net/wikiEducared/images/4/47/Zonas_climaticas_de_Espana.jpg or some other (the most part you find in literature is an average of this last map). As a second reason, I live in north Spain and it's the first time I hear the north-west corner (Galicia) has a mediterranen climate! You should put then England and Ireland as an example of mediterranean climate. This contradiction is present also in the fact that the rest of the north of Spain is known in the map of Wikipedia as an atlantic zone, which in fact has exactly the same conditions as Galicia, where oceanic influence is even greater. This is an aberration. It's also funny to see how the drawing of the Atlantic zone reaches Zaragoza, a semi-dessertic zone, or how Finisterre has the same zone than Salamanca. Funny, very funny information. Last, one photo of typical forest of Galicia http://www.nikonistas.com/digital/foro/uploads/monthly_10_2007/post-983-1191784933.jpg of course, pure Mediterranean. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.60.173.46 (talk) 23:30, 24 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The native forests of Galicia were, until a few decades ago, elm, oak, etc. The eucalypts were introduced for timber, from Australia, because they grow fast. They are an ecological disaster in Galicia, but the land owners don't care, they just want the timber. (By the way - eucalypts can live in cool and wet conditions.) Compare Coruna's climate with Melbourne's - the latter (where I live) has much hotter days than anything Galicia ever gets in summer, is much drier through the year and is surrounded by forests with probably the worst bushfire risk in the world, and yet it is rated as a mild "oceanic climate". I've personally seen bushfires in both Galicia and Australia, and the intensity of the Galician fires doesn't compare. If Melbourne is a mild "oceanic climate" (Cfb), then Galicia, bashed by Atlantic storms and prone to fogs, mists and drizzle, certainly is:
Climate data for A Coruña
Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year
Mean daily maximum °C (°F) 13.1
(55.6) 		13.7
(56.7) 		14.9
(58.8) 		15.5
(59.9) 		17.4
(63.3) 		19.8
(67.6) 		21.8
(71.2) 		22.5
(72.5) 		21.5
(70.7) 		18.7
(65.7) 		15.8
(60.4) 		14.0
(57.2) 		17.4
(63.3)
Daily mean °C (°F) 10.4
(50.7) 		10.9
(51.6) 		11.8
(53.2) 		12.5
(54.5) 		14.4
(57.9) 		16.8
(62.2) 		18.7
(65.7) 		19.3
(66.7) 		18.2
(64.8) 		15.7
(60.3) 		13.1
(55.6) 		11.5
(52.7) 		14.4
(57.9)
Mean daily minimum °C (°F) 7.6
(45.7) 		8.0
(46.4) 		8.6
(47.5) 		9.4
(48.9) 		11.4
(52.5) 		13.7
(56.7) 		15.6
(60.1) 		16.0
(60.8) 		14.8
(58.6) 		12.6
(54.7) 		10.3
(50.5) 		8.9
(48.0) 		11.4
(52.5)
Average precipitation mm (inches) 128
(5.0) 		102
(4.0) 		79
(3.1) 		85
(3.3) 		80
(3.1) 		42
(1.7) 		30
(1.2) 		35
(1.4) 		68
(2.7) 		110
(4.3) 		114
(4.5) 		135
(5.3) 		1,008
(39.7)
Average precipitation days 17 17 15 17 16 10 8 9 11 16 17 18 171
Mean monthly sunshine hours 108 112 155 167 191 220 240 240 179 150 107 93 1,966
Source: World Meteorological Organization (UN),[2] Agencia Estatal de Meteorología[3]


Climate data for Melbourne
Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year
Record high °C (°F) 45.6
(114.1) 		46.4
(115.5) 		41.7
(107.1) 		34.9
(94.8) 		28.7
(83.7) 		22.4
(72.3) 		23.1
(73.6) 		26.5
(79.7) 		31.4
(88.5) 		36.9
(98.4) 		40.9
(105.6) 		43.7
(110.7) 		46.4
(115.5)
Mean daily maximum °C (°F) 25.9
(78.6) 		25.8
(78.4) 		23.9
(75.0) 		20.3
(68.5) 		16.7
(62.1) 		14.0
(57.2) 		13.4
(56.1) 		14.9
(58.8) 		17.2
(63.0) 		19.6
(67.3) 		21.9
(71.4) 		24.2
(75.6) 		19.8
(67.6)
Mean daily minimum °C (°F) 14.3
(57.7) 		14.6
(58.3) 		13.2
(55.8) 		10.7
(51.3) 		8.6
(47.5) 		6.9
(44.4) 		6.0
(42.8) 		6.7
(44.1) 		7.9
(46.2) 		9.5
(49.1) 		11.1
(52.0) 		12.9
(55.2) 		10.2
(50.4)
Record low °C (°F) 5.5
(41.9) 		4.5
(40.1) 		2.8
(37.0) 		1.5
(34.7) 		−1.1
(30.0) 		−2.2
(28.0) 		−2.8
(27.0) 		−2.1
(28.2) 		−0.5
(31.1) 		0.1
(32.2) 		2.5
(36.5) 		4.4
(39.9) 		−2.8
(27.0)
Average precipitation mm (inches) 47.6
(1.87) 		47.3
(1.86) 		50.2
(1.98) 		57.3
(2.26) 		56.2
(2.21) 		49.2
(1.94) 		47.7
(1.88) 		50.2
(1.98) 		57.9
(2.28) 		66.2
(2.61) 		59.5
(2.34) 		59.2
(2.33) 		648.5
(25.53)
Average precipitation days 8.3 7.4 9.3 11.4 13.9 14.1 15.1 15.6 14.7 14.1 11.7 10.4 146
Mean monthly sunshine hours 279 228.8 210.8 168 120.9 108 114.7 145.7 171 195.3 210 232.5 2,184.7
Source: Bureau of Meteorology."[4]

I hope this kills off this stupid argument.Provocateur (talk) 21:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OK.Learning now about Köppen climate classification I've read in some other discussion that this system develops "rare" clasifications in some zones, one of which is Galicia. In fact, although "ad verecundiam" is frequently used to deny any argumented attack to this system, the point is that Köppen calls a mediterranean climate one in which in the most drier month only rains less than 1/3 of the average rain in the wet seassons. Then, informed by some climate specialist from north Galicia, it happens that the data used by Köppen is taken at the capital city of each region of Spain, in this case Coruna. Near the Atlantic Ocean, these cities exhibit many fluctuations as a function of microtopography, which near the sea have more influence on the precipitations of a small region. So it's actually a problem of data, nowadays people say that if average data of each region is used Galicia-Asturias should have a clear "Cfb" tag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.60.173.46 (talk) 16:08, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving

I have added auto-archiving, 28 days minimum of 7 threads to remain on page. Jezhotwells (talk) 20:22, 26 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Link to Spanish Civil War article

It might be nice to include a link to the main article for the Spanish Civil War under the Spanish Civil War portion of the History section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.15.90.190 (talk) 06:15, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, I have added a main article link. Jezhotwells (talk) 03:39, 29 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Governance

Unless I have missed something I feel there should be a 'Governance' section with an arborescence of government from national government down through the autonomous regions, provinces,sub-divisions, municipalities, and civil parishes (lowest tier of local government), with a list of provinces. --Kudpung (talk) 02:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnia and languages

I think you should check the ethnic groups, there is no "spanish" ethnia (basques, galicians, castillians etc. might be better) such as there is no unitedkingdomish or greatbritish ethnia. We should not confuse States (UK, Spain, France, USA) with ethnic groups (Basques, amerindians, celts). Also about languages, where you typed down recognized languages (catalan,basque,aranese,galician). They are all official, not just recognized, but castillian is official in the whole state. Aragonese and Asturian are also recognized but have no officiality or protection (Sabadelhe (talk) 15:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)).[reply]

  1. ^ "Población padronal a 1 de enero de 2010. Instituto Nacional de Estadística".
  2. ^ "Weather Information for Coruna".
  3. ^ "Valores Climatológicos Normales. A Coruña".
  4. ^ Cite error: The named reference Bureau was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
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