Talk:90210 (TV series)

International Airings

In an attempt to clean up this article, someone added that it is 'rumoured' to first air in Australia on Cable network FOX8 on December 2, 2008. There is no source to accompany this. Network Ten announced it has the output deal with CBS Paramount and will air 90210 exclusivley in the 2009 season according to this reliable source] [1], a network press release. Sorry, but it's misleading to list it as airing on two different networks especially when there's no source to back it up.

This section has no sources. This is an American series not the international channels broadcasting the spin-off. ApprenticeFan (talk) 14:30, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Why has the UK airdates been remove???????Blazemon (talk) 18:46, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Title

Where did this "The Next Generation" bit come from? Star Trek did it, and so did Degrassi; I didn't see it mentioned in the sources I quickly perused for this show, however. Also, any comment in the text about rumors should be expunged. We're not a crystal ball, after all. Howa0082 (talk) 17:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

New Cast Photo

There is a cast photo out but I have no clue how to upload it and all the other stuff that goes into the process. Maybe someone else can.

http://www.accesshollywood.com/article/9492/?__source=rss%7Cah_Latest Rosario lopez (talk) 23:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

We wouldn't be able to use that photo as it would violate image copyright guidelines at Wikipedia. Unless someone happens onto the set and takes a photo (unlikely), there's not much that can be done for now regarding a pic, I suspect. Lots of articles on shows end up with a title card grab, but that's some way off (and I'm not sure how well it meets the requirements either). Gusworld (talk) 00:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Order of Returning Characters

From Wikipedia:Neutral point of view: "All Wikipedia articles and other encyclopedic content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing significant views fairly, proportionately, and without bias."

The easiest way to comply with this policy is to arrange the returning characters/actors according to the dates that their returns were announced.

That is the way the article was until certain anonymous editors—possibly fans of Shannen Doherty/Brenda Walsh—began attempting to place Doherty at the top of the "Returning characters" list, even though her return was announced well after the others. As we do not know the cast billing for the returning characters in the new show, there is no justification for doing this. The editors who've participated in this activity are invited to provide their reasoning here, and explain how these edits are neutral in accordance with Wikipedia policy. Thank you. --James26 (talk) 13:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Contradiction with regards to possible strike?

"...that The CW has begun casting even before a script has been completed. The show is set to start production on June 25, 2008. It could stop due to a possibility of a Screen Actors strike."

and later down that same introductory section it says, "The show will be unaffected by any Screen Actors strike, as the show is covered under the AFTRA Primetime contract."

Is this a contradiction? Or are they talking about the show itself is unaffected, but the CW's airing of it may be affected?

~thanks - and please clarify in the writing so it is not confusing in this way. ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 08:10, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Apologies, I missed the earlier sentence when I updated the status of the show. The producers announced that the show was 'strike-proof' yesterday at the Press Tour as it is now under the AFTRA. I will alter the earlier paragraph to reflect this. (Richardm9 (talk) 15:40, 20 July 2008 (UTC))

Great success. Thanks. ~ GoldenGoose100 (talk) 17:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Adam Gregory

which one is it the white adam or the black adam?74.196.134.34 (talk) 21:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Tori Spelling (Donna Martin)Not Appearing

Tori will not be in 90210 after this source confirmed it http://tv.yahoo.com/90210/show/43006/news/urn:newsml:eonlinekristen.com:20080811:TV-23b0c1a896a08f2bce5bd8fe9a8a22d7 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.83.198.20 (talk) 11:38, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I think it has to go into the uncertain category for the time being, as some outlets are reporting that she is just trying to get a better deal. Lets not jump the gun on this.

Jason Priesetly

That AP report is probably a mistake, however instead of putting him as a returning character, lets say its uncertain until other media outlets jump on-board. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alebowgm (talk • contribs) 14:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

"Characters who will not be returning"

Simply saying "will not" is the same as saying "will never" (because it doesn't specify a time frame).

Since we can't see the future, I've simply changed this to "not expected." Even if an actor was to say "never," it's best for us to merely quote them, rather than predicting what will or won't happen down the road. 207.69.137.22 (talk) 10:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that Brent Bozell's article, Toxic Beverly Hills, may be worthy of interest… Asteriks (talk) 06:45, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Stopped reading it after the insults started, but thanks. At any rate, I believe "not expected" is still the best encyclopedic term. --207.69.140.24 (talk) 08:54, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Episode articles

Before we have to go through this later, when it will be more of a hassle, we should cover this now. Per WP:NOTE, WP:FICT, WP:PLOT, WP:EPISODE, all episode articles must meet the notability requirements for a page to be created. A page with nothing but a plot summary does not meet such requirements. That means, a part from the pilot page, the rest don't need articles. Yes, I looked at the second episode page and it's full of information that has nothing to do with the second episode. Just because it occurred during that time does not mean that it was directly related to that episode. You cannot pack general 90210 information into every page to give the appearance of notability. Brief plot descriptions can be added to the table on the "List of episodes" page, as well as (sourced) the Nielsen ratings. Lastly, when the time comes that a page can be separated on its own, proper naming conventions are in order. In this case, you do not add "episode" to "Lucky Strike (90210)". You only list the name of the show, unless there are multiple 90210 pages with that same title.  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 05:47, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Created by versus Developed by

Not sure why people keep putting Rob Thomas as the 'creator' of 90210 when the opening credits that have aired on every episode say that it is "Based on the series Beverly Hills 90210 created by Darren Starr" and then goes onto say 90210 is Developed by Rob Thomas... and the others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alebowgm (talk • contribs) 01:50, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

It should be "Developed by".  BIGNOLE  (Contact me) 03:00, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

The credits state that Darren Star created the original series, Beverly Hills, 90210. According to TV Guide and Darren Star's Yahoo! bio, he is not the "creator" of this spin-off (nor was he the creator of Models Inc.). I'm altering the article and included a source. "Developed by" is possibly just another term for "Created by" in this case, likely due to the production changes before it aired. -- James26 (talk) 08:35, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Too skinny controversy

I'm wondering if it would appropriate to mention in the article about the controversy surrounding the stars of the show Shenae Grimes and Jessica Stroup and the fact rumors that they have eating disorders, among other things. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/17/90210-costars-plan-too-th_n_127232.html. Merely a suggestion I'm making. --Crackthewhip775 (talk) 21:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it should really be mentioned unless it comes to affect the show in some way. -- James26 (talk) 07:12, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Transcripts?

Are transcripts of the episodes available somewhere?--92.230.34.190 (talk) 08:53, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes there are.63.168.68.102 (talk) 02:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Lauren Conrad as Kayla Andress

Is there any truth to this?63.168.68.102 (talk) 02:02, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Fansite tag

I fail to see the notability of the entire "Production and casting history" section. I think that anything of encyclopedic value that may be in this section has already been accomplished in the "Characters" section. This looks a lot like information that is "of importance only to a small population of enthusiastic fans of the subject in question" per WP:FAN. Please do not remove the fansite tag unless you plan on deleting the entire section or the issue has been resolved with a consensus. KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:53, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Casting informations have been put in many series's articles (such as Desperate Housewives). I've reworked the writing to make it less trivia-like. But if you have such big issues with the article, instead of tagging it why don't you actually help solving the problem?--Whadaheck (talk) 00:19, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

I was hoping to get some other opinions first before totally removing the text and then . And I was a little peeved that someone removed the maintenance tag I placed without any other change or any explanation. I still fail to see how this information is important but at least the presentation is a lot better now. Thank you. KuyaBriBri^Talk 05:34, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

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VALERIE BURNS

Who is she and how do you knwo what episodes she'll be in?68.225.74.103 (talk) 02:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Screech

Is that Justin whatshisname guy who did the comedy porn video going to reprise his role as Screech? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.168.132 (talk) 21:46, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Request for comment on articles for individual television episodes and characters

A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please visit the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline. Ikip (talk) 11:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

introduction

I felt that the top of the page was quite long, and very hard to get into / read adequately. I've put a {Very long} tag on to this effect.~CortalUX^Talk? 22:52, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Ryan Matthews link

The links points to Nascar driver Ryan Matthews. I'm not sure how to create a new article for the character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by JimmmyThePiep (talk • contribs) 16:08, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Spin off? Merge same show articles?

Couple of things. Are the new Melrose and new 90210 really spin-offs? I don't think that is accurate. They are a "rebirth", "extention" or "continuations" of the original shows. I wouldn't consider them "spin offs". Maybe that is the "generic" term for it but doesn't seem right. Just curious is all. Also, why not merge both 90210's together and both Melrose's together in one article for each, separating the original and new series within the same article? Don't think it is necessary for separate articles for the same show. Just an idea/thought. Smile... Thank you! 69.129.170.102 (talk) 04:08, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Same damn thing.72.150.18.122 (talk) 01:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC) <-- one contribution; this one!

They're totally different shows along the same premise. This article is already a mile long; what would be the point of merging it? Rebecca (talk) 04:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC) <--- claim you retired from this; have you?

Wow, such attitude. I was going to add a disclaimer not to reply with anger but thought those who would reply would be mature enough not to. But "same damn thing" and "what would be the point" shows me I should have added it after all. Well, not being juvenile, here is my response to that: it is not a totally different show. It is a continuation of it and it includes the same story line as the original, with same characters from the original and following the lives of some of the originals. It is a revival of it, that is not a spin-off. A spin-off was Models Inc. A spin-off is Mork & Mindy from Happy Days. Use of a character with a different plot and story line and title. So excuse me, but it was just an inquiry. I don't need anyone's approval, that is what the talk sheet is for. But you make it hard not to criticize the editor when you reply with such ignorance. At any rate, have a good day and no need to bother with a reply. Personally, I'm all grown up and have manners myself, even when tested. P.S. Length of the article has nothing to do with it. The more info, the better. But whatever, it's petty to me, yet I just thought I'd school you. 69.129.170.102 (talk) 10:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Jon the editor (talk) 09:18, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

To reiterate what was said on the other talk page -- The new shows are entirely different productions with different crews, which makes them spin-offs of the previously concluded productions. A similarity in naming does not change that.

"It is a revival of it, that is not a spin-off."

No, it is a revival of the story, not a revival of the same production/show. Therefore, these are spin-offs, and do not belong in the same article. -- 4.249.84.221 (talk) 08:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Recurring?

Why were the recurring characters removed instead of just putting all starring and recurring on a seperate page? All shows have a long list of both starring and recurring people, which take up a lot of room.

It's nice to know who was or will be on the show in a recurring role. TH43 (talk) 21:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

10/23-Someone just messed up the page. Can someone fix it?!67.78.233.99 (talk) 11:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Cast Order in Infobox

An IP just changed the starring cast in the infobox. Putting aside that there's a formatting issue, which is easy to fix but I'm leaving it alone for the moment, it's not clear to me what order the cast is supposed to be in. The comment in the edit box says: "Orginal [sic] credit order followed by order in which they joined the show." What does that mean? First, what does the word "original" mean? The credit order of the cast when the show first aired? Does that mean the infobox would list cast members who have since left the show? Seems odd to me if so. Then, we're supposed to add cast as they join the show? Wouldn't that become unwieldy?

Also, the Casting section describes when actors joined the show, but the infobox doesn't seem to match that, even before the change by the IP. Anyway, I haven't touched the IP's change because I simply can't understand what order it should be in to know whether the IP is right or wrong. Can someone explain the way it's intended to work (regardless of whether that's a good way of doing it or not, which is a separate issue)?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:22, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I was told it's however the page started and if there's a problem with the order it should be discussed. All main characters should be listed in the infobox as they've all starred in 90210 the TV show, the page isn't 90210 season 3 (which some had left), get what I mean? The only issue is how it should be laid out, alphabetical or credit order followed by order in which they joined the show. To me, credit order makes more sense than alphabetical as alphabetical doesn't actually hold any purpose. I hope I've made it clear, I'm going to go ahead and revert the edit but I'll leave this discussion open to see if anyone would like it alphabetical. Jayy008 (talk) 18:19, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I agree about alphabetical order (the only rationale for it is it's easier). But wouldn't it make more sense to list the current stars (in order on credits) and then list previous stars with parentheticals showing seasons? Not sure who told you, so I'm unsure how reliable it is. Have you looked at any other current TV series to see how they do it? I see you posted on the Talk page of the television project. That was a good idea. I'm going to add my 2 cents to your discussion.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:37, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

The fact is, it's the tv show page, so all characters have to be included, as have all other TV shows and edits get reverted when they don't. But we'll see how it all comes out. FINALLY we have a rationale! Jayy008 (talk) 19:03, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

DVD ranking

As most users know, the lead is to summarise the article. I think since this is probably the only time this has happened (DVR average more than broadcast), it's notable to say it in the lead too. It's been reverted twice, though, by IP's. Thought? Jayy008 (talk) 21:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Channel 11 In Australia Hasn't Pulled 90210 From It's Schedule!

Hey I noticed in the broadcast section someone wrote that Channel 11 in Australia had pulled 90210 off it's program schedule due to poor ratings. Channel 11 has NOT taken it off air. Network 10 in Australia did take it off air after just 6 episodes yes you're right and on January 11th 2011 Australia had the launch of a new free to air digital channel called Channel 11. Channel 11 is a branch off of Network Ten and is partly owned by CBS so Channel 11 recently picked 90210 up again a few weeks ago and they're playing the series right from the beginning.

It's on every Friday night from 7:30 P.M.- 8:30 P.M. I watched it on Friday night (January 28th 2011). It is on Channel 11 next week as well. I know this because I went on the Channel 11 website and checked the TV guide. So not sure who thought that Channel 11 had pulled it off the air. I'm gonna delete that bit of information because it's not true.