Regarding this type of edit where you make the names look like MBTA signs, what do you plan to do on stations that handle more than one line? We can't have inconsistencies in the styling between station pages. Grk1011 (talk) 23:24, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm worried about the consistency. There is too much overlap between different lines/services that even if you make Government Center bicolor, etc it will still not look like the others. There's also commuter rail, amtrak, etc to take into consideration and how are you going to use the style on North and South stations while also keeping all amtrak infoboxes consistent? I think before you get too far into this you should establish a consensus. Grk1011 (talk) 02:56, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Government Center station can be worked out (by my testing). The North & South Stations can be combined with MBTA & Amtrak styles. I am open to a discussion but I don't know where you want to take this discussion it. WikiProject Boston? →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 03:35, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You don't seem to understand that you are introducing infobox inconsistencies. I don't see a way that this can work out. South station is silver, red, commuter rail, and amtrak. Having more than one color in the header makes it inconsistent with the infoboxes that only have one color. Grk1011 (talk) 20:34, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well I created this and South Station would look like this. If only I could get consensus on creating the new subway article.... I'll do the same with North Station. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 02:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I see the one for Porter, but not Forest Hills yet. In any case, I've changed my mind about splitting the North and South Station Subway articles, but I'd like to see histories for both articles. ----DanTD (talk) 19:14, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have some serious reservations about this. In commuter rail infoboxes with station names that extend onto two lines the letters of each line overlap on commuter rail stations. This needs to be worked out. If caps are to remain they should be the appropriate size, and not gigantic. It really detracts from the actual article and puts too much attention on the infobox. In terms of separating the name onto different line colors, I don't think this works either. Perhaps using slashes of line colors next to the station name, like the MBTA website does, makes more sense, and is less visually jarring. Personally, I think the old system was fine, but we could at least shrinking the font size some, to keep the infobox from detracting from the article and keeping the lines of text separate. --Enfiladekh1 (talk) 20:00, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would say try 175%. Metro North style boxes, for example, uses 200% but i think with the all caps look, 175% might make more sense. Something still should be done about stations with multiple lines. Creating individual templates for shared stations doesn't set a good precedent. I understand you are trying to go for "sign accuracy," but something else should be done, I'm not sure what though. --Enfiladekh1 (talk) 20:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Agree that having the slashes of color similar to the MBTA would make much more sense. What you are trying to do looks too awkward in most situations where there are more than one line. You want it to look like the station signs, but it's just not gonna work. I would suggest you stop changing all of the infoboxes until we decide how to do this. Grk1011 (talk) 20:44, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is okay. My concern is that we are still going to have issues with various templates rather than a standardize format, and what about places with three lines? Perhaps all the line colors should be above or bellow the station name. I would also suggest that the station name always be in black to match MBTA formating. If we are going to continue down this road, we should assure there is a standardized template that actually improves the article in someway. Otherwise we should revert to the previous infoboxes. Though I yield to Grk1011, he has much more experience with this area than I. --Enfiladekh1 (talk) 21:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. I like Gfoley4's previous version much better. Furthermore I think it's a bad idea to try to make Metro-North style templates for MBTA stations. These aren't Metro-North, Long Island Rail Road, MARC, VRE, or Metra stations. Speaking of Metro-North infoboxes, I know of one shared by the Harlem and New Haven lines that I'd like to fix. ----DanTD (talk) 23:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I never suggested that they look like metro-north style template. I only think the information needs to be displayed clearly and work across all stations, including stations with multiple lines, which arguably this new system does not. Many transit system infoboxes in wikipedia don't follow the actual signage conventions of the system. The CTA is a good example of this that might have parallels to help with Gfoley4 newer design. If we are going to stick with the partially implemented new design, the text size should at least be decreased to display clearly across all stations, so we don't get the overlap seen at stations like T. F. Green Airport--Enfiladekh1 (talk) 02:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
GFoley's style looks fine on stations with only one line, but when there are more, it doesn't work well at all. He shouldn't have to create special templates just for infobox names (example {{Government_Center_name}}. There is more than one system that we are working with that we will need to maintain consistency throughout as well. Once you add the style to North Station, South Station, Back Bay, Ruggles, Route 128, etc, you have created inconsistencies within the infoboxes of stations along the Amtrak lines. Doing bicolor names does not work because some lines don't have two lines of text. The infobox is colored where it says which lines meet there as well as in the "services" section. The title on the infobox doesn't need to be stylized like a station sign, especially when the bicolor/tricolor signs wouldn't exist anyway. Also, the colors being used don't match the existing template colors. Grk1011 (talk) 03:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
About a month or so the colors changed. Not sure how or where the change was made. For instance, on Government Center (MBTA station) compare the green and blue you used to the green and blue below in the infobox (the lines and services sections). Also, I don't think we should be creating more inconsistencies just because some already exist. Grk1011 (talk) 04:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Your proposed color for the South Station infobox looks pretty good, and I wish I could apply it to combined Metro-North-Amtrak stations. Yonkers, Croton-Harmon, Poughkeepsie, New Rochelle, Stamford, Bridgeport, and New Haven all deserve that kind of upgrade. ----DanTD (talk) 04:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
@Grk1011 The template {{MBTA color}} was changed on December 6. I wish he put the new ones on the talk page. :(
OK! The color definitions in the Template:MBTA color should be linked from everywhere that those colors are used. You will keep getting the inconsistency you are talking about, if you just redefine them every time. So why do you keep doing that? Define all colors just once! I have fixed the style templates, but this is widespread. Then you also have the line=Orange, color=Orange and style=MBTA orange. Why not retain upper case? You are just making things confusing again. Yes, as your mother has always tells you, neatness counts. Secondarywaltz (talk) 00:43, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry that I didn't know that the style template can be used that way. Please don't be bitey. Furthermore, why does orange vs. Orange matter? Answer: It doesn't. Cheers, →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 00:50, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The case matters because if you type in "style=MBTA Orange" the Infobox does not use it, because it can only find the Template:MBTA orange style. It would be more intuitive if the same case was used everywhere. Sorry about the attitude, but the inconsistencies were being perpetuated and expanded. Secondarywaltz (talk) 04:19, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The colors you were using were right. The ones that were changed last month are no longer the "MBTA" colors. They are different shades. They may look nicer, but they are less accurate and since we are going for "MBTA sign style" it would be best to use the same shades of color. Grk1011 (talk) 05:21, 3 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
A possible solution to the transfer stations: When the MBTA needs to show two lines+ it puts up a sign for each, like in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Government_Center_headhouse.JPG . Why not just spell out the name of station for each color band? So, for example, "GOVERNMENT CENTER" in Green and "GOVERNMENT CENTER" in Blue. With the text now set at 175% it shouldn't take up too much space. Gfoley, maybe you could sandbox something to see if this doesn't look too ridiculous, particularly with Downtown Crossing. (If it does, I opt we move towards the two line solution you gave here, but put the color bands only along the top. While this would, I assume, require new style templates for stations with 2+ services, there wouldn't be to many (especially if we exclude amtrak stations) Plus, this could also be the impetus for a system-wide infobox with a common style sheet that allows for multiple lines.--Enfiladekh1 (talk) 00:51, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I actually like that idea. It gives each color a purpose and removes the decision of which should get the text, not to mention its more accurate! Here is a better image of this way in real life: [1]Grk1011 (talk) 01:04, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Two things: we need to remove the "|type=" first of all because its not really necessary but second because it creates issues like this; the other thing is we need to do is tweak the commuter rail color to be a tad darker. The signs are a darker shade than what the current color is. Grk1011 (talk) 03:49, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I tweaked the Commuter Rail color off this sign. It may not be exact but oh well. You guys can play around with it at www.colorpicker.com if you wish. I'll go through stations and remove the type parameter as well as capitalize the name. (With some help hopefully ;)) →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 04:07, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad we reached a good compromise on this, but it looks like the text for these connector stations that you are upgrading have larger text sizes than other stations. For example, Park Street vs. Shawmut. I see in the style template you have set the size for 175%, but it still looks like its showing up at 200%ish. Any idea what the problem could be? Government Center especially doesn't look right, with the text from each line blending together. --Enfiladekh1 (talk) 17:30, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(←) There was something wrong with transcluding the name template. I made a style to "counter" the bigger font size. Government Center looks better now. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 17:41, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think the names should be uncapitalized. The Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(trademarks) states: Trademarks include words and short phrases used by organizations to identify themselves and their products and services. Often, these names are written in several different ways with variations in capitalization, punctuation, and formatting.
When deciding how to format a trademark, editors should choose among styles already in use (not invent new ones) and choose the style that most closely resembles standard English, regardless of the preference of the trademark owner. This practice helps ensure consistency in language and avoids drawing undue attention to some subjects rather than others. For instance, avoid: REALTOR®, TIME, KISS and instead use: Realtor, Time, Kiss. Banaticus (talk) 00:41, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I don't want to argue with you but I think the only reason we were doing this is to try to make the stations look like the signs. These aren't using any trademarks and The T doesn't really identify themselves with the signs. The logo would be the identification. Any (talk page stalker)s want to comment? →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 00:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm somewhat unhappy that you're asking for talk page stalkers to comment as it sort of seems like you're implying that I've been stalking you or have ambushed you. I was referred to this page by Enfiladekh1 after I reverted one of his edits for vandalism, so please take up my presence with Enfiladekh1 on that user's talk page as this is just where I was told the discussion was all taking place. If I should take my comments elsewhere, just let me know where and I'll happy to do so. :) Anyway, it isn't our job or our responsibility to make Wikipedia look like whatever the management of some business thinks their product should look like (or like what that business thinks the location where their product is purchased should look like). Wikipedia articles should all, as far as visual appearance and general use of names, look like the rest of Wikipedia because of that link I gave -- articles shouldn't do something that will cause undue attention to themselves unless they "need" that attention (a call to add references to an article, a notice that an article may be deleted, etc.). I don't want to argue with you either, but it's generally accepted practice to read and follow the Manual of Style. If you don't like the trademarks link, the manual says virtually the same thing on other pages as well like Wikipedia:Manual of Style (capital letters). If you have any more questions or concerns, please let me know on my talk page or drop a talkback link on my talk page if you respond here or elsewhere. Thanks and have a great day! :) Banaticus (talk) 01:59, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Not what I meant at all with the talk page stalkers comment. I just wanted more people to comment! ;) Let me ponder over the rest of your comment and reply in a while. Cheers, →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 02:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(←) 1) On the thought that is isn't our responsibility to show advertising on Wikipedia articles: I disagree that showing the names with the color/style that appear on the signs is really advertising for the company. I think those types of styles give articles a certain "touch" to them. Also, the MBTA isn't the only transit system of Wikipedia that uses style templates. (examples: Metro-North commuter rail, CTA, LIRR, etc.) These styles are "accepted" by the Wikipedia community. If you think that it is advertising, I am going to respectfully disagree.
2) I do try to follow the Manuel of Style and I would like to find a compromise with yourself, and other editors on the topic of CAPITALIZED infoboxes. I'm not sure if that compromise is reverting everyone so it is lowercase or completely changing it.
Hi! Just a quick note to ask that you please not force an edit conflict and leave it. Noting you encountered one in your edit summary isn't helpful. You should back up and redo your edit. Or, if you must force the conflict, go back and replace what you removed, noting in that edit summary that there was an edit conflict. :)
How did you get TW to log your CSD nominations? And also, do you think it's wise to do this? By having it log CSD nominations in this manner, you may inadvertently or unintentionally log things that could be considered attacks on other users, such as this. Just thought I'd drop the note by. The ThingT/C02:38, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It is a script that User:Chzz showed me on IRC. I think the script is here. (Feel free to copy it) I Think I will tag the G10s manually from now on to avoid logging. Thanks for the notice as I never really thought of it like that. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 02:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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A few thoughts
Adirondack Scenic Railroad
Are you going to add other routes and stations, or are you just going to stop at the major one? I will see if I can hunt down a photograph of Thendara.
Station renaming frenzy
Thanks for the Facepalm. That's funny! We shouldn't get involved in that mess, and you don't want an outsider to come in and screw up all the MBTA stations, after what you have done there. It appears to be spreading like a nasty virus.
Street View
I notice you have added a Street View view to some articles. Have you tried opening Street View inside Google Earth? It's a really good way to navigate and you can switch between them. I prefer to add coordinates to an aticle, which allows the user to open whatever system they prefer.
1) I am not sure. What are the other stations along the line?
2) Yes it is. I'm glad Mitch boxed up the other discussion at WT:NYCS.
3) I have been adding Street View to most article on the eastern seaboard (see User:Gfoley4/GSV). Are you talking about the newest version of Google Earth? I tried downloading it but it was very choppy and slow. And the navigation bar on the side didn't show up. I also have the older version of GE but I normally just use Google Maps to find the Street View links.
According to the Adirondack Scenic Railroad website, as well as the main route between Utica and Thendara, they also operate Thendra local routes and between Saranac Lake and Lake Placid. I have added an image for the Thendara station. Secondarywaltz (talk) 13:51, 15 January 2011 (UTC) - and then there is also the Remsen Depot. Secondarywaltz (talk) 14:16, 15 January 2011 (UTC) - and Holland Patent Railroad Station with service confirmation here [2]. There seems to be only one line from Utica to Lake Placid with various scheduled and special services along the route and the stations or stops are listed in the article. Secondarywaltz (talk) 16:22, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Heloo, Gfoley4, I would like you to know that I already had my "only warning" last week, and your warning would be my second "only warning". I expect you to do your job and banish me from the site now, so please do it quickly. YoungBasedGodSplitTheCabbage (talk) 18:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I didn't see that. Well I can't block you because I'm not an admin. How about we just forget about this little incident. Just don't do it again! →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 18:56, 16 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
YoungBasedGodSplitTheCabbage:Vandalism warnings generally “reset” after 48 hours, so it is not inappropriate to receive another final/only warning a week apart. However, one can still be indefinitely blocked as a persistent vandal if one makes no positive contributions to the encyclopedia. Also, if it is determined that one’s account is a vandalism-only account, then one can be indefinitely blocked as such. This is something I see that you’ve managed to achieved.
Hello Gfoley, I have made significant improvements to this article, and since you were the one who assessed it, I was wondering if you could maybe consider re-assessing it? Thanks for getting back at me. - [CharlieEchoTango]06:49, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Argh. But, if I read the reference correctly, the NRHP is the railroad right-of-way. I would think that the station would deserve an article though. (Also, that article never mentions Remsen, except for the picture) →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 22:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
TECO Line
The TECO line should really be part of the HART system. This would allow for inclusion of planned "MetroRapid" BRT routes and proposed Light Rail lines. The moves are easy, and you could speedy delete the redundant redirects as the creator. None of the TECO templates are categorized. The official name for the TECO stations, as linked in the articles, are proper names Tampa Bay Federal Credit Union Station, Centennial Park Station, etc. The official map, copyright Hillsborough Area Transit Authority, confirms this. There's more - but you probably don't want to know. Good luck! Secondarywaltz (talk) 17:09, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I read some instructions and thought that was what you were supposed to do to request a semi protect.I do edit when I find a need to, but I really dont know all the back end rules. I thought that by putting "Edit semi protected" in there that someone later comes by and puts another tag in front of it to make it actually protected. If you would be so kind as to request it to be semi protected for at least a few days it would be nice. Bing has a link on its main page that pulls up this article and there are a few edits like "hi im bob" in there that screws up the formatting. Im not an admin, dont have time to learn all the ins and outs, but I try to help when I can.--Billy Nair (talk) 22:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I would file a request (at WP:RFPP) if I thought that protection was necessary. Normally, we don't protect pages with not a lot of vandalism. Thoth doesn't really have that much vandalism history and would probably be denied.
I suppose they're good for generally keeping things neater. The thing is, I see User:FrescoBot adding commons tags to the tops of external links chapters to a lot of station articles, and it creates this huge wide gaps in them. At first I moved them below the links and any additional pics, then I suspected that the operator of the bot may've wanted to convert the tags to inline ones. After this I saw the one for Van Cortlandt Park – 242nd Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line), and I just thought it would be a nice thing to do. ----DanTD (talk) 19:35, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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Dear Mr Gfoley4,
since you live in Illinois I presume you are fluent in English.
Twice I have brought to your kind attention the fact that Chinese kale does not apply to Kai-lan. THIS, and only THIS is the Problem.It is a gross mistake an it is a pity you refuse to correct it.
Your replies don't make sense.You don't question the fact that Chinese kale is a wrong redirect to Kai-lan.
I hope this time I made myself clear.
If you don't want to move Chinese kale to 'rapini' where it belongs, no objections.
I am not familiar with wikipedia red-tape and wouldn' be able to trace your reply.Moreover my IP seems to change.
In order to reaad your comment I'll make another request for Chinese kale.
with my best regards
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