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Edit request from 98.114.128.183, 14 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} I had to do a Biomes Book project for school, and one of the drawings we had to make was of the zones of the ocean. I searched the web for a good photo of the required zones but couldn't find one. I would like to help other people at my school who will be doing this project for years to come and for everybody else. I would like to have this image added into the Ocean zones and depths section. I know this section already has an image of the zones, but this image shows the layers in terms of depth, mine shows zones as distance from shore. Thank you!

I made the image so do I have to put something on it or.....?

I'm looking at the Wikipedia image copyright page but am a little conpuzled. © 2010 Nathaniel Albrecht (Is this what I have to do?) OK looking at other images here on Wikipedia I can tell that you need a... Description: Diagram of the zones of the ocean lengthwise. The levels on this diagram include the Intertidal, Neritic, Oceananic, and Benthic zones. Date: May 6, 2010 Source: Self-Made Author: Nathaniel W. Albrecht Permission: I, the copyright holder of this work, nearby release this into Public Domain. This applies worldwide. To be safe (Don't know if legal or not) I, the creator of this work, grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law.

98.114.128.183 (talk) 22:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

information Note: If you are looking to post an image you made yourself, see Files for Upload (as you can not upload any pictures without an autoconfirmed account). If you are taking it from Wikipedia, you must make sure that it is not under fair use, and then you must cite it. Hope that helps. -- /DeltaQuad|Notify Me\ 23:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Photoguy2801, 15 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} I had to do a biomes book for school and needed to include a photo of the zones of the ocean. I could an image to use so I made one and would like to upload it here for them to use, and others. I made this image. Can you please put the image in the Zones/Depths section. Thanks! (This image is different from the other one because it shows the zones going out.

To cite, these images from my text-book verify that the zones are right. :)

The file to put in the article: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ocean_Zones.jpg#file

The reference images: http://picasaweb.google.com/nal.html/201005May#

Photoguy2801 (talk) 14:23, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As nice as this image is, note that we already have a more detailed version in the article. Since this version already conveys the same (and more) information, albeit potentially boringly, it's preferable to the image suggested. Sorry. --PLUMBAGO 14:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: per the previous editor. SpigotMap 15:58, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image discussion

Hello all. I am wondering if we can get some feedback on these images? the one on the right is now in the article. It does display a lot of info, and in the opinion of some editors, is kind of "bland." The image on the left shows similar information, though it is lacking a little compared to the other version, and is more vibrant. Photoguy2801 has expressed a desire to add the image to the article, however I am not sure it contributes anything. (Being "pretty" is not really what we aim for in an encyclopedia.) It does give a better visual about what life lives in these areas, however.

that being said, does anyone think we should add the image to the article? If not, what changes might the image on the left need before it might be added? Any other feedback? Avicennasis tb? @ 16:58, 3 Tamuz 5770 / 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Nobody has responded yet so... I thought my image was good, but I do understand why you would not want to give that info up, but like the color of this image. I decided to merge some of the info from the other image into this one so.... would you accept it now? If so I will update the image on Wikimedia. http://picasaweb.google.com/nal.html/Downloads#5483058709539193138 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Photoguy2801 (talk • contribs) 17:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The new image is nice enough, but it just has less information. And adding the extra information present on the existing image would make it too busy. Diagrams are meant to be clear first and foremost, especially in an encyclopaedia. I say we shouldn't change. --PLUMBAGO 18:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Plumbago. The new image might look pretty and have a nice colour, but it is confusing and has very little information. Some editor, who hasn't discussed the matter here, has removed the existing image and replaced it with the pretty one. I have reverted the edit, which can be reinstated if consensus for the change is established here. --Epipelagic (talk) 23:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that we should keep the other graphic so if they need detailed info about the ocean depths/zones they have it but. But also think we should add this other image in as a 2nd image for this section. It adds something very important that the other graphic does not have, what type of animals/plants live in that area. Why do we need to replace the current graphic, both are nice, just add another (the colorful one). --98.114.128.183 (talk) 02:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I disagree. Yes, the new diagram has some nice-looking marine animals in it, but I seriously doubt they're positioned in the correct depth ranges. The diagram is further compromised by smiling crabs, coral reefs that seem to extend down to 5000 m and giant tidal waves that, judging from the vertical scale, tower more than 100 m above sea level. The diagram is absolutely fine for a school project, but would be completely misplaced here. Sorry. --PLUMBAGO 13:28, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the image, in the article adding a new one. Win-Win. Doesn't take away anything, people can still get the detailed image (that one is even bigger) but can also look at this one. Win-Win. The more info the better. If anyone thinks the edit is super, super, bad leave me a message on my talk page. Doesn't takes anything away at all, adds info like the plants/animals. (@Plumbago - Yeah I sorta-agree. The image was never meant to be anything about the vertical zones, it was about the horizontal zones. I reverted the image back to its original version.) --Photoguy2801 (talk) 19:06, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not win-win. It's clutter. The new image adds nothing since the old one includes both horizontal and vertical zonation. Furthermore, and as I noted above, the new image also confuses things by implying distributions for biological groups which are simply incorrect. As such, since it both contains less information and conveys incorrect information it is a nuisance image. I'm afraid I'm deleting it again as superfluous and unhelpful. While Wikipedia does not seek to mindlessly mirror conventional encyclopaedias, and there is a place for doing things differently, that doesn't mean that common sense can be ditched. Sorry. --PLUMBAGO 19:50, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Given up. If that's how you want it, have it that way. --98.114.128.183 (talk) 20:36, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not about how I want it, this is about using the best information to convey a subject. The image you are trying to add is repetitive (in part), actually contains less information and also conveys misleading information. Does that sound appropriate for an encyclopaedia to you? This is not MySpace or Facebook. As it happens, I actually quite liked the new image, but it's just not appropriate given what we already have, and given its deficiencies. Sorry. --PLUMBAGO 22:10, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How it get rid of this stupid interlanguage link: new:चमुत्तिरम् (सन् २००२या संकिपा)? I have to remove it from Wikipedia every language to make it stop re-appearing? Hellerick (talk) 15:13, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ocean median depth

In the intro it is stated that more than half of the oceans have a depth of at least 3000 km while later in the physical properties it is stated that a little less than of marine waters is 3000 km or more in depth. Just wondering... Samoojas (talk) 17:32, 25 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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