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Ethnic Germans ?

The article Austrians has recently been changed significantly. Some editors changed it in that way that Austrians are now regarded as ethnic Germans (see the infobox in the article). The CIA says that Austrians are ethnic Austrians, the state departement saiys the are Germans... i don´t think that they should be regarded as Germans, this is seen offensife in Austria and scientific studies contradict it. See this: [1]. Neither anyone changed this edits, nor were they discussed. --193.170.52.132 (talk) 18:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right, thanx for your helpful comment! --Catgut (talk) 11:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Just a tiny remark: the article de:Österreicher (Austrians, in German language) was recently deleted (!) in the german-language wikipedia (replaced with a disambiguation). Most austrian authors contradicted, but, well, you see the result. --Wirthi (talk) 15:13, 14 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I understand they're pretty severe over there. German Wikipedia already has a certain reputation for being rather strict on certain issues. On the other hand they're rather careless regarding WP:SOURCE. And they just love long, very, very long discussions about minor problems! --Catgut (talk) 00:28, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I remember, the author who filed the motion was actually an Austrian. And the article was delated because of its totally failed content and because the issue was better treated in the article "Austian Nation".--193.170.52.132 (talk) 19:54, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Ethno-Linguistic Map shown in the article says clealy "GERMANS", the same as any map from 1919 or later. So it is evident, Encyclopedias consider German speaking Austrians to be ethnic Germans.--83.35.181.133 (talk) 22:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think a good term would be German-Austrians but that only makes sense in German! Deutsch-Oesterreicher. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.82.3.174 (talk) 12:56, 25 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

And i think a good term would be "Austrians", like Austria, the country they actually live in. Phrases like German-Austrians are nowadays only used by the far right German nationalists! Please mind that world has changed since 1919...--Glorfindel Goldscheitel (talk) 01:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

My intention was never to use a forbidden non-P.C. term that smacks of the far right, if that is the case today. However, the fact remains German-speaking Austrians makeup the ethno-linguistic majority in today's Republic and there should be term to distinguish them from the minorities: Hungarian-Austrians, Slovene-Austrians, Croatian-Austrians and Austrians of Turkish and Balkan heritage! I'm curious what the case is in Germany. Perhaps then you are either just Austrian or a hyphenated non-German speaking Austrian.

In that case - if we assume that there're only ethno-linguistic nations - we'd have to talk of English-Americans, Spanish-Mexicans and Arabic-Moroccans. Welcome to the middle ages of ethnology. A non-hyphenated German speaking Austrian. --Glorfindel Goldscheitel (talk) 00:51, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Current Austrian Republic

Although it is mentioned in about ten different wikipedia pages, none of them has a clear explanation of when the "second" Austrian republic was established ? 1945 ? 1955 ? Some point in between. All of the existing descriptions skip from the 1945 occupation to the 1955 treaty with no details in between.Eregli bob (talk) 11:32, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The second republic was created by the Declaration of Independence of April 27, 1945, which has been published in the Staatsgesetzblatt no. 1 of 1945. On the same day, the provisional government has been constituted. The term "second" is not a legal, but a historical and political one. The Declaration stated in article 1, that the democratic republic is reinstalled and has to be structured following the spirit of the constitution of 1920. (It would not only follow the spirit: The whole constitution of 1920 / 1929 was put into validity on May 1, 1945.) --Johnny3031 (talk) 17:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. So the Austrian Republic was re-established in May 1945, and has operated since then, even though Austria was subsequently occupied by the anti-german powers for ten years ? That seems somewhat surprising, perhaps it should be more clearly explained in one of the relevant articles.Eregli bob (talk) 04:48, 14 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Subsequently" is perhaps the wrong word in your description. Austria was freed by the allies. Only that allowed the constitution to be reestablished (in 1945); so the actual occupation took place before the constitution was reestablished. The republic was functional as Johnny3031 described since 1945, but of course the "occupiers" had a major voice (and veto) for many official decisions and actions until 1955. See it like Iraq right now: there is an (iraqian) goverment, even though the country is de facto occupied by the US (and allies). --Wirthi (talk) 10:01, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

South Tyrol

The is little to no mention of the South Tyrol Question. While it has been "solved" and the case is closed officially at least according to both the Austrian and Italian governments it has been a series issue for most of the 20th Century. Austria still sees itself as the protector of the cultural rights of South Tyrolean German-speakers. There should be much more said about this and the successful solution that has been found as model for trans-national and inter ethnic cooperation.

"Reunification" with Germany?

The wording makes no sense unless it is what Hitler said and it should be then in "". Austria was technically the inheritor state of the Holy Roman Empire so Germany was really rejoining Austria! Furthermore Austria was never part of the modern German nation-state. This sentence is flat out wrong! there was no reunification! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.84.83.227 (talk) 04:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WWII Germany took over Austria, they did not join Germany

This sentence is most surely wrong:

"Austria joined Nazi Germany in the Anschluss in 1938"

Germany took over Austria. Austria did not join Germany. German Nazis burned numerous religious buildings in Austria among other things leading up to taking over. There were also many Austrians who fled to Yugoslavia and elsewhere to avoid the "anschluss" of the Nazis.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.78.117 (talk) 19:11, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Corrected, thanks for your input. Catgut (talk) 22:47, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The vast majority of Austrians supported the Anschluss! Stop pretending Austria was a victim of Germany and perpetuating the Sound of Music mythos. Real history please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.209.27.142 (talk) 08:42, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The British Government of the time regarded Austria as a 'victim' of Hitler, and as a result, Austria, like the other occupied countries, escaped the attentions of RAF Bomber Command, which is why Austria wasn't bombed to the same extent as Germany. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.112.71.28 (talk) 19:52, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

" In the 1938 Anschluss, Austria was occupied and annexed by Nazi Germany." Is absolute bullshit, the Anschluss did NOT annex Austria, it was linked-up/joined up not forced, pressured, or anything it was wanted and was no resistance, it was wanted even in 1918 when Austria changed its name to German Austria - stop sounding like Austria was forced to join Germany, it was unioned to make Greater Germany, real facts here not BS crap. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.185.104 (talk) 20:53, 10 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your changes are point-of-view. O Fenian (talk) 09:27, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
You too wouldn't have voted against the Anschluss when SA-Soldiers were looking over your shoulder, though I agree that probably many Austrians wanted Austria to be "re-united" with Germany. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.64.176.131 (talk) 13:06, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But it was NOT occupied/annexed it was made with no resistance... just cheers and salutes - Austrians are Germans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.238.185.104 (talk) 14:17, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Your changes are still point-of-view.--Glorfindel Goldscheitel (talk) 23:28, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
According to Brauneder ("Österreichische Verfassungsgeschichte", 2009 edition) and Hoke ("Österreichische und deutsche Verfassungsgeschichte", 1996) Austria got occupied by Germany in 1938. It still existed from 1938-1945 but was incapable of actions. For this reason international treaties from the time between 1918 and 1938, like the concordat of 1933, are still valid. The austrian government and the former Allies support this theory since 1943. So it basically makes no sense to make a difference between the first republic and the second one. Of course, this is just an academic point of view, the reality was a bit more complicated (no government in exile, ...). At first the Allies supported the theory of annexation, which said that Austria seized to exist, but this opinion was rejected with the Moscow Declaration ("They [the Governments of the United Kingdom, the Soviet Union and the United States of America] regard the annexation imposed upon Austria by German on March 15, 1938, as null and void."). Austria followed this opinion in 1945. --Cohiban (talk) 21:44, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Climate

Hello I'm now living in Austria for more than 13 years and am not sure about the cool/temperate zone 'cause I guess that the geographic plain areas (greatest parts in Lower Austria, but also in Burgenland, Carinthia, Styria and the Tyrol) are in a warm-temperated climate zone. In the alps, there is a cool-temperated climate predominating, of course. Also in the most information tables you can read that this country is lying in the warm temperated zone. User:Controller60 -- 21. 07. 2010, 23:30 Central European (Summer) Time —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.121.51.124 (talk) 21:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not to be confused with Australia???

It's insulting! Both to Austria AND to Australia and to everyone out there who's still got at least one neuron working in their brains... I mean how can you confuse ballroom and beer with kangaroo and outback... or Arnold Schwarzenegger with Nicole Kidman for that matter. I mean if one is truly truly stupid he might have never heard of Austria. But to have never ever have heard of Australia to not know it's "down there" underneath Asia on the map and that kangaroos live there... one must have been living in a cave. But I really doubt that illiterate Taliban bullet boys from the caves of Afghanistan are reading any of these articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omulurimaru (talk • contribs) 19:08, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When I was younger I frequently mistook "Australia" for "Austria". It's not about mistaking customs, it's about the names. They are very close. 216.120.192.143 (talk) 14:55, 8 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have the book at hand, but my source is Hella Pick's 'Guilty Victim' : During an Austrian predidential visit in the 1960's (or was it 70's?) the Mayor of London welcomed visitors with speech full of enthusiasm for Australia. 33gsd (talk) 11:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)33gsd[reply]

Austria and denazification

My main source was Hella Pick, 'Guilty Victim'. I don't have the book here so I don't want to make changes to the article simply on what I remember, also I don't know how this would best fit in to the present article.


AUSTRIA AND DENAZIFICATION

De-nazification of Austria was a less important for the allies than de-nazification of Germany, as Cold war considerations made keeping the Austrians onside a major policy goal.(For a long time, the existence of a country 'Austria' post WW2 was uncertain. Churchill planned for Austria to cease to exist as an independant counrty and be absorbed into a larger state.) Pre 1955, USA consistently pressured the Austria government to frankly own up to their countries co-operation with the Nazi's, who were welcomed in 1938 by jubilant crowds. They did not accept the 'Victim Thesis' as proposed in the 'Rot-Weiss-Rot' book. (One of their arguments was notoriously 'we didn't do anything wrong, because from 38-45 Austria didn't exist'). In was through a last-minute ammendment that the Austrians managed to get the 1955 State Treaty accepted in a version which did not demand that they accept responsibility for the country's activities in the Nazi era, which the Allies had demanded in the Moskauer Deklaration. Ausria's leaders always maintained that accepting the country's responsibility was too heavy a burden for a new country (which America needed to be strong and stable) to bear. Throughout the 1970's the USA continued to pressure Austria for the reparations it had commited itself to, but only paid a small portion of. It was not until the 80's that Austrians began to discuss the past openly, leading to official State apologies, in the Austrian parliament and also in the Israeli Knesset.

- and the 1998 establishment of http://www.historikerkommission.gv.at/english_home.html

33gsd (talk) 10:57, 28 August 2010 (UTC)33gsd[reply]


Austria-Hungary was not the only multinational state in 1867

Great Britain was also multinational. (Irish Scottish English etc...) English suppressed their language and culture. The other multinational state was France. Only 50% of population of France was French in 1850. The local identities of these ethnic minorities were stronger than french identity in 1870 yet. These minority languages based on different grammar and words. They weren't closer to french than Italian or Spanish language. French nationalism and forced assimilation grew the ratio of French mother tongue and identity from 50% to 91% in 1900.


Russian Empire was similarly multiethnic country too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.114.153 (talk) 12:21, 27 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"38th Governor of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger."

Whilst it is beyond question that Austria is proud of this fact, why is it under the Science & Philosophy section? It should be added elsewhere, though not removed. 98.176.12.43 (talk) 06:04, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

only for amusement

Google translate is not always a friend :

  • upper mountain at the burner in Austria found in Semseyite

--Stone (talk) 20:00, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Security policies

Just took a quick look at the article. The last paragraph of the 20th century part seems a bit odd. Firstly there are some mistakes in it its not the Petersburg agenda - its the Petersberg tasks (a suburb of Bonn Germany - where the corresponding WEU meeting took place). Maybe the whole paragraph should be moved and reformulated within the foreign relations section as the discussion has not been resolved since the late 1990ties and still lingers in Austrian politics. I am not a registered Wikipedia user so maybe somebody else could edit the article and at least correct the Petersburg/Petersberg mistake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.217.25.86 (talk) 15:42, 7 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

population

This line: "...is a landlocked country of roughly 8.3 million people..."

is no longer correct. At 2011, there are over 8.4 million inhabitants.--62.47.168.64 (talk) 15:31, 14 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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