Talk:Habonim Dror

Israel Start‑class Mid‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Israel, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Israel on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.IsraelWikipedia:WikiProject IsraelTemplate:WikiProject IsraelIsrael-related articles

Start

This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.

Mid

This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

Project Israel To Do:

Here are some tasks awaiting attention:

Assess : Rate the Unassessed Israel-related articles and Unknown-importance Israel-related articles.
Cleanup : Cleanup listing for this project is available. See also the list by category and the tool's wiki page.
Collaborate : Participate in WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration.
Copyedit : Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2005
Deletion sorting : Participate in discussions at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Israel.
Expand : Ayala Procaccia, Diamond industry in Israel, Edna Arbel, Levin Kipnis, Rami Kleinstein, Sephardic Haredim, Zman Tel Aviv, Nachum Heiman, Public Defence (Israel), Prisoner of Zion, Trial of Benjamin Netanyahu, Day to Mark the Departure and Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Countries and Iran, Pre-Modern Aliyah
See also Articles needing translation from Hebrew Wikipedia.
Geographical coordinates : Add geographic coordinates to Israel articles missing geocoordinate data.
Infobox : Add infoboxes to Israel articles needing infoboxes.
Maintain : See Israel articles needing attention.
Map : See discussion at Module:Location map/data/Israel. Add maps to articles in Wikipedia requested maps in Israel.
NPOV : Jewish exodus from Arab and Muslim countries
Photo : Add pictures to articles in Wikipedia requested photographs in Israel.
Stubs : See Israel stubs.
Update : Basic Law proposal: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People
Other :
- Translate to Hebrew : David Bar-Hayim, Guy Bavli, and Guy Oseary.

Jewish history Start‑class Low‑importance

	Judaism portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Jewish history, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Jewish history on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Jewish historyWikipedia:WikiProject Jewish historyTemplate:WikiProject Jewish historyJewish history-related articles
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Organizations Start‑class Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Organizations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Organizations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.OrganizationsWikipedia:WikiProject OrganizationsTemplate:WikiProject Organizationsorganization articles
Start	This article has been rated as Start-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Former Habos

Look, no more former habos added until someone can cite a source. Otherwise we're just going to get all kinds of rumored former habos and no one will be able to tell who's real and who's fake. Golda Meir and Sascha Baron Cohen are common knowledge, but Matt Drudge? I don't believe that at all. Redzuny 16:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Matt Dudge was a camper at Moshava. It is hard to believe but it is unfortunately true.

Clean-up

The page is in the most desperate need of a clean-up. I am knowlegeable in Habonim Dror North America, but I don't want to dominate the entire thing with HDNA and would love to see other countries...

Advertisment

Well, we're a youth movement, not a historical entry in an encyclopedia! I'll relent on the phone number, but external links I think should be there.

Machanot

I go to Moshava outside of Maryland. I know that HDNA runs 8 summer camps throughout the US and Canada, and I think they are an important part of the youth movement. Perhaps another section dealing with the machanot, or another article completely? --Simon 01:27, Mar 5, 2005 (UTC)

THere are 7 camps in North America: Gilboa, Miriam, Gesher, Tavor, Naaleh, Galil and Moshava. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.203.191.211 (talk) 04:15, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Split up this page

this page will work a lot better if each country had their own wikipedia article where they could talk about their ideology and other specific features. This page should only talk about what we have in common, such as hagshama and kibbutz etc. and should also talk about the history of habo and the merger etc.

Someone else do it. I don't really know how -- from 60.225.9.28 (talk contribs)

Nonsense. You say we, implying that this is Habonim's ad to the world. That's not the case. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and thus--while Habonim Dror is a significant organisation in the world, having affected at least a few thousand lives--the individual world organisations cannot surely deserve their own articles. Not even an organisation like the World Trade Center gives pages for each of its branches; other organisations, for example the Australian Stock Exchange have much less detail than Habonim... why should Habonim feature so prominently on Wikipedia?

In my opinion, the material here is just unnecessary overload. It is written for a Jewish/Zionist/Habonim audience, rather than the general encyclopaedia-browsing population, and is written wholly from Habonim's perspectives. I think that it would be most worthwhile to cut the page down to a few paragraphs on history, ideology, and modern organisational structure / operation. In each of these, where relevant, notes can be left highlighting some of the international differences, without reprinting entire constitutions. --jnothman ^talk 08:19, 21 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Semel"

Hi,

What's so special about the Semel, that it must be mentioned in its Hebrew name? "Semel" is just a Hebrew word for emblem. The page for Israel doesn't mention that the Menorah is a "Semel", it simply calls it "Coat of Arms". So is it any more special than the symbol if Israeli Boy Scouts or Bney-Akiva?--Amir E. Aharoni 07:26, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all... I think the reason it's in there is that members of Habonim, although speaking languages other than Hebrew refer to the semel as a semel and not an emblem... I'm pretty apathetic as to whether it stays semel or just emblem. jnothman ^talk 08:33, 8 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

what about something to do with Miller 18 and Dror since Dror redirects here?

South Africa Membership

To help resolve a petty edit war on the Bnei Akiva page, it would be helpful if someone could post a reliable figure for the number of members Habonim Dror has in South Africa.

Thanks, --Dweller 08:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Dweller, please assume good faith. It was not an edit war; just a couple of reverts by an inexperienced editor. Anyway, how about calling both of the "one of the largest" and leaving it at that? I don't think anyone would disagree. Ayinyud 12:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Will do. --Dweller 12:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello everyone, i´m a madrij in Habonim Dror Agerntina, and all i have to say is that the writter forgot that Habonim Dror EXISTS in Argentina (we have 300-400 members in the country) as well in Uruguay.

                                               Ale ve Hagshem--Alanch90 19:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Possible deletion

There could be a legitimate place for an article on this organisation in an encyclopedia, but as it stands this article doesn't contain a single reference, is edited almost entirely by members of the organisation or affiliated organisations, is used as a soapbox (wp:SOAP), is written in rhetorical language, and probably qualifies for what wikipedia is not (wp:NOT) Denito (talk) 00:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This page should not be removed as the movement exists in 17 country and has a major influence on the lifes on it's members. Therefore it is important for members of Habonim Dror, as well for others to be able to read about the history of Habonim Dror and what the movement entails at the moment. May i only note that 'Holland' and 'The Netherlands', as proud as i am to be noted twice they are the same country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.137.57 (talk) 13:35, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Southern Africa section

Section edited and referenced. Information now updated and accurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.245.139.111 (talk) 20:57, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Correct Habonim Starting Date and Details

Unlike what has been written in many places including the book about Wellesley Aron, Habonim was founded by him with Norman lourie and Chaim Lipshitz in November 1298 (not 1929) at a meeting that he called in London at 77 Great Russel Street EC1. England was the center of political Zionism at that time, after the Balfour Declaration in 1917 had with "His Majesty's Government favourably viewed the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine" (under British mandate at this time).

However the new youth movement Habonim (or the Builders) was not named until the following year and it was deliberately made non-Zionist. In 1929 the first Gedud (group)Trumpeldor was begun in Stepney, which was a poverty-struck part of London's East End. Chaim Lipshitz was its Rosh (head or leader), but even before this time he had established a group of youngsters and taught them Modern Hebrew, songs and dances of the Jewish settlers in Palestine.

This information was gleaned by David Chester from the Habomim Archives in Yad Tabenkin, Ramat Efal, near Tel-Aviv. There is lots more and the website associated with Habonim and Wellesley both need up-dating.