Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

Termina/Talmina

The problem is: You can't take most of the things on the Japanese sites serious as they usually involve many cases of Engrish (I wouldn't call The World of New "Zelda" correct either...), where the online staff just takes the next best romanization instead of actually thinking about where the game designers got their inspiration from/what they wanted to allude to (in this case termination). The Fire Temple is also named "Temple of fire" on the Japanese OoT site, yet they have the "Forest Temple" unchanged, while making the "Deku Tree" a "Deku-tree" and omitting the "lord" title from Jabu-Jabu's name (although the kanji-suffix for "lord" is there). Bottom line: They don't know crap about romanization. Prime Blue (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a point?--141.84.69.20 (talk) 00:18, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, Blue, but it's not our responsibility to make such conclusions. It's original research. It's the company's fault for using inaccurate information, because we have to take their word for it.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 01:07, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it is, as of fact checking and using reliable sources. I get your point, that's not the problem (unless you actually think Talmina is the original Japanese form). It's just that I don't feel comfortable about adding wrong information to an article because one of Nintendo's employees made a mistake. Thinking of another example... Using Aida Wong (flash version) or Eda Won (PDF version) as romanized version of Ada Wong's (エイダ・ウォン) Japanese name because it was used in the official translation of Wesker's Report II. I couldn't find exact guidelines when it comes to factually wrong foreign language sources. Prime Blue (talk) 04:35, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it can safely be removed because it doesn't actually provide any meaningful information to the article. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Tone

Reading through the article, a lot of it seems to lack a high-quality professional voice. While it surely suffices and is by all accounts factually accurate, some of the tense-choice and verb-usage comes off sounding rather... Odd and, well, not quite FA material.

Just my opinion, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.60.202 (talk) 08:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The need for Epona in OoT

For some reason, this article talks about the necessity of Epona (or lack thereof, depending on the month) in completing Ocarina of Time. I know from personal experience that she is not necessary, but that's beside the point; I'm wondering if it's necessary at all to mention it either way, since it keeps changing periodically and may count as OR. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I always thought Epona was necessary to complete Ocarina, but then again I never tried it without her. But yeah, as this is disputed, I agree it should be altogether removed until someone provides a source stating one way or the other. -sesuPRIME ^{talk • contribs} 05:47, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

My first playthrough, I used the Longshot. I'll see if a source exists that agrees with me. Until then, I'll yank it. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there's nothing significant about this fact unless it's covered by secondary sources anyway; there are loads of things in the game that Link needs to complete it. Haipa Doragon (talk • contributions) 17:10, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Bugs

Have all the bugs from the gamecube version been worked out in the VC version?., if not these should be mentioned for the article. Either way this point should be clarified with a source. Ottawa4ever (talk) 00:36, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

According to comments in reply to a review on this page [1], the sound/freezing bug has been fixed. I think it would be wise to use a more reliable source though. GW(talk) 14:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Evidence Termina is a Separate Land from Hyrule

Aside from reading somewhere that the developer's stated that Termina isn't in an alternate universe, and that all of the character models were simply recycled from the first game (I unfortunately cannot remember where I'd read this for the life of me), there are at least three points of evidence supporting this claim:

1) The old mother's stories that Link must stay awake to listen. In one of the stories the old mother tells about the Four Giants and the Skull Kid. (As we all know, the Skull Kid is the same from OoT; within Majora's Mask the Skull Kid recognizes Link and exclaims it twice, once at the very beginning and also at the very end of the game.) In the old mother's story she tells Link that the Skull Kid had been good friends with the Four Giants. When the Skull Kid became mischievous and bothersome to the town's people to the point of action, the Skull Kid is banished from the land of Termina by the Four Giants. This makes it safe to assume that at this point, he's traveled to Hyrule, more specifically the Kokiri Forest (during OoT we encounter him here). Before the very start of Majora's Mask, he's made it back leading to the actual events of the start. (On a side note, the Happy Mask Salesman also travels between lands)

2) The shivering and hungry Goron stuck on top of the frozen waterfall in Mountain Village. When Link smashes the revolving chandelier in Goron Village he discovers what is Rock Sirloin. Taking it to the hungry Goron, the Goron exclaims, "Th-That's it! It's so good that I dream about it... Dodongo Cavern's finest quality rock sirloin!" As one could plainly see, this individual Goron has either been to, or come from Dodongo's Cavern in Hyrule.

3) If Termina is supposed to be an alternate version of Hyrule, the character models are the only evidence supporting this idea. However, in Termina there are no clones for the following characters from Hyrule:

-Saria
-Impa
-Raaru
-Mido
-The other Kokiri children
-Zelda
-The colonial American looking man from the Potion Shop
-Ganondorf
-And of course, Link

Additionally, in Hyrule, there are also no counterparts of Terminians like:

-The man and his daughter from Ikana Valley
-The Beaver Bros.
-The Deku butler
-The Deku King
-The Deku Princess
-Gabora
-Kafei
-Kamaro
-Zubura
-Tingle

I would like someone's feedback, thank you. 72.191.174.31 (talk) 20:52, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

If you can show us a source for your claim, then you may have a sufficient case. Without such a source, thought, putting your claim in the article constitutes original research, one the three deadly sins. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, most of my claims are technically in the game itself, in text and story. 216.57.96.1 (talk) 19:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The first time I ever heard that Termina was an alternate version of Hyrule was when I read the game's description on the Wii Shop Channel a few months ago. This description is also available at Nintendo.com and is quoted in part below.

Link must save the world! This time, he finds himself trapped in Termina, an alternate version of Hyrule that is doomed to destruction in just three short days.

I went to add this source to the article and realized it's already sourced using Zelda Universe. I went ahead and added this source to the article anyway. -sesuPRIME 04:46, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps that was written by someone working for Nintendo who'd never really played the game at all? I'd trust the game itself. 67.10.98.149 (talk) 00:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

It's possible. However, I would argue that the Wii Shop Channel counts as an official Nintendo publication. Not only that, this is one of Nintendo's more popular 64 titles. You'd think that if the game description were saying something innacurate, someone would have picked up on it by now and corrected it. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 05:47, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Interpretations of the game itself is original research, which is unacceptable for Wikipedia, and it certainly doesn't override the two given reliable sources. -sesuPRIME 05:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

How odd, you claim the idea of Termina being a parallel world to Hyrule is original research, yet the Zelda Wiki articles for [Termina] and [Majora's Mask] specifically state that Termina is a parallel world to Hyrule. Are you going to call the Zelda Wiki's articles a pack of lies then since they obviously don't support your claims, "sesuPRIME"? (Nice name by the way) 67.166.207.210 (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

An open wiki is not a reliable source. Rehevkor ✉ 17:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Well then, going by that logic, Wikipedia would not be a reliable source either, so I guess I won't be reading its articles after this as they're not reliable. Good fight, dear sir. 67.166.207.210 (talk) 17:41, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

It's not. Good bye. Rehevkor ✉ 17:50, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Voice of Zora Link

How do we know Nobuyuki Hiyama is the voice of Link's Zora form? He is listed in the game's credits, but that's because he voiced Fierce Deity Link (that much is obvious). It actually sounds to me like they used snippets of young Link's voice and applied a distortion effect to get the Zora voice, like they did with his Deku form. However, it's original research to claim that either actor is Zora Link without a reliable source, which are very difficult to find for this. The only sources corroborating the article's claim are notoriously unreliable user-contributed sites like IMDb, and who's to say they didn't just copy whatever Wikipedia said? Interestingly, the Japanese Wikipedia claims he only voiced the Fierce Deity (aka demon) form (here and here). Of course, that can't be used as a source, but one can assume they have access to better information on the subject than we do.

I've added a {{fact}} tag for now, but should that bit of info just be removed? sesuprime 16:48, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Majora's Mask - Twilight Princess Connection?

Quoted directly from the article:

"He tells Link that Majora's Mask has an evil, apocalyptic power inside that was once used by an ancient tribe in hexing rituals. The ancient ones, fearing catastrophe caused by its great power, 'sealed the Mask in shadow forever' to prevent its misuse. This tribe vanished and the origin and nature of the Mask was lost."

This has me convinced of an idea that I had posted here previously - The tribe that possessed Majora's Mask was The Dark Interlopers, who eventually became the Twili. In addition to my hypothesis, I site the above quote and the fact that the tribe sealed their power within it, that Majora's Mask was in fact a Fused Shadow.

I posted this earlier and somehow it got deleted. Could the editors plz not remove it again? I know it's totally irrelevant but I really would like to hear other people's thoughts on this. If you do, I understand, and will simply post it elsewhere...

75.72.159.75 (talk) 04:01, 26 May 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.159.75 (talk)

I'm glad you understand, but for the sake of those who don't, let me explain. Wikipedia talk pages are intended for discussion of ways to improve the article, not general discussion about the subject of the article. Whether Majora's Mask is a Fused Shadow is not an appropriate topic here, unless the connection is mentioned by one of our reliable sources.Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 04:52, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

thanks man 75.72.159.75 (talk) 06:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

z-science

Hey, I had been tracking old zelda sites in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, and I found some articles about a campaign Nintendo (I think it was only for America) did to promote Majora's Mask. It was some sort of ARG campaign apparently, with a fake website about a scientific research institution that discovered a parallel dimension. I was not around the zelda fandom at the time, so I missed all about that, but it sounds like it was really interesting and I'm surprised by how little I have found about it. Does anybody knows if it was an official campaign, or was it just a hoax? or something a fan did? z-science original website in the wayback machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20010516234329/http://www.z-science.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.250.231.5 (talk) 21:30, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I would guess that so little has been written about it because, like you, no one had previously heard of it. It might be worth a mention in the development section if it was an official promotion from Nintendo, but I couldn't find where it said that it was from Nintendo. You're sure about that? Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 02:22, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Mention of ben.avi?

The ben drowned thing is certainly notably, shouldn't it be added? 98.24.154.187 (talk) 21:10, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

There's a Wired article.. maybe worth a mention? Rehevkor ✉ 21:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I propose merging Operation Moonfall into this article.

I support this merge - The fan campaign has had little impact outside of the world of fan campaigns, which run a dime a dozen. It has received coverage by reliable 24-hour online gaming sources, but not from a more diverse range of sources. Due to the limited actual notability, it is best-suited as an addition to this article (or possible as an "Impact" section in The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D), rather than as a separate one. - Crabbattler (talk) 16:27, 11 August 2011 (UTC)