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Minecraft for iOS

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The following discussion has been closed by Elektrik Shoos. Please do not modify it.


This article of the original wikipedia page talking about the plans of making of minecraft for iOS. And it's mind-boggling that i've been thinking of this... I'm asking myself if iOS means for the 'iPod Touch' and 'iPhone', so please tell me, anyone, if this is a real plan, if I'm wrong, and what iOS means, PLEASE!!!— Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcelard (talk • contribs) 18:18, 22 June 2011

You can click on iOS and read what it is. You can also follow the references and read the articles/announcements. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 18:26, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mon, 27 june: Thanks for the help!!! (to HELLKNOWNZ)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcelard (talk • contribs) 18:03, 27 June 2011

Could someone with edit rights correct the name of the iOS/Android developer (if it's relevant info at all), the surname is Nieminen, not Neiminen. See http://mojang.com/about/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.11.143 (talk) 21:07, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks for the catch. JguyTalkDone 21:56, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

possible way to show future platforms

in the issue of adding future unreleased platforms i think ive figured out a way that will be aggreable to both sides of the argument. an edited platforms section of the info box with the edits has been provided as part of this section:

|platforms = Java platform, Java applet, collapsible list|title=Unreleased platforms|Xbox 360 (Unreleased)|Xperia (unreleased)|Android (unreleased)|iOS (unreleased) disclaimer:please note the info box doesn't work in discussion so the code would have to be debugged prior to posting on the article. some crucial parts of the code have been removed due to bugs when interacting with the discussion page environment.

Minecraft
Platform(s)Java platform, Java applet
Unreleased platforms

You mean like so: —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 21:27, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for the fix. my HTML skills suck Ryukage19 (talk) 00:52, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I still fail to understand why Xperia, an Android device, is being listed separately from Android. It's getting an early release, sure, but it's not a separate game entirely, nor is it even a separate build. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 00:41, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It shouldn't be listed. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 06:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Survival genre

What is "survival" genre? There is survival horror, but Minecraft is not it. Minecraft's Survival mode is not a genre. Is there a reliable source supporting this claim? I can see quotes like "The current version of Minecraft revolves around one simple principal, survival." but they don't call it a genre. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 18:58, 12 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Picture showing randomly generated landscape

I think the text under that picture needs to be changed. As we all know the landscape is not randomly generated. Only the seed is a "Pseudo Random" number, but provided with the same seed, the landscape is always the same. So the generation of it is not random.--95.89.173.14 (talk) 12:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is "random" for the end-user observer and anyone trying to predict what the landscape will look like. While the terrain can be recreated with the same seed, so could any computational random process that uses a seed. The only difference is that Minecraft lets the player choose this seed. See Random#Randomness versus unpredictability. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 12:33, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The anonymous poster doesn't appear to have confused randomness with unpredictability; rather, they seem to be making the point that as Minecraft's level are not truly random but pseudo random (what you described as "computationally random"), then it would be better to describe them as such. Perhaps this could be done along with a link to the article on Pseudorandomness? Aawood (talk) 15:19, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
My point was that in generic computer science-related articles "random" can be used in place of "pseudo-random", since deterministic vs. non-deterministic nature of random generators is trivial to the end-user. For the purposes of the screenshot, it is random and no end-user could have guessed what it would look like. Same way we don't clarify "generated" is "computer software generated" or "landscape" is "virtual landscape". —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 15:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 15:34, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the text, but realized the game actually lets you set the seed for the level generation.. So it might actually be relevant information. – Acdx (talk) 21:56, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please Explain what This Game is About

I watched a couple brief YouTube tutorials, read this article, and I still have no clear idea what the game is about. The article has a lot about the development of the game and the platforms it runs on, but practially nothing on what the goals are, what the rules are, what objects can be created, what qualifies as success or failure, how multiplayer differs from single player, etc. As it stands, the article is basically an overview for readers who are already familiar it. See the Civilization IV Gameplay and Technologies sections for a general idea of improvements. (Although that article is still obscure for readers who aren't familiar with the subject.) 98.210.209.79 (talk) 03:05, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i'd recommend looking at this archived discussion thread. Kaini (talk) 03:29, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Just added two sentences to the article to answer some of you questions- i.e. there are no defined goals, you cannot win or lose, and multiplayer is the same as singleplayer, but with more than one person in a world. As to more detailed gameplay descriptions like what you can make I'm not going to bother; the 1.8 release is likely to revamp a large portion of the gameplay and would require a rewrite of the section anyway. --PresN 04:26, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

kk, thanks for the answers, and the URL reference to previous discussion. I've now been playing Minecraft for a week, reading the Minecraft forum, and considering why I'm playing.

The article really needs to state basically what new users and people completely unfamiliar with Minecraft -- who will never use it -- need to know, in an encyclopedic sense.

The goal of the game is to explore, to mine, and to build, while avoiding being killed by NPCs that have no goal, except to kill the player.

However to avoid death the player has the ability to build tools such as swords and arrows to kill the monsters. also tools such as pickaxes and shovels can be made so that the player can more easily mine for resources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.108.174.184 (talk) 16:00, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly to be mentioned is that the game physics are not intended to closely match reality, but have internal, consistent manifestions that the player comes to terms with.

along with the single player version is the multiplayer game in wich players connect to servers and build or fight with people arround the world. This is an interesting edition to the game and gives players who have finished or become bored with the single player version to still enjoy the game. However due to the large number of servers operating at once players will often experience lag (meaning the frame rate has slowed down) or the server will disconnect for a period of time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.108.174.184 (talk) 16:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are a large number of mods and maps and so on, and while these features are primarily for advanced players, but apparently many who play the game over months (if the forum is any indication) eventually use them. Far moreso than other popular games where a limited group of enthusiasts make changes for one another. As an example, I played Civilization for years before downloading any mod. With Minecraft, if I play an entire month, I certainly will want to look at maps other players have recommended.

Anyhow, just want to keep focus that this is an encyclopedia. Minecraft is a highly successful game that was not developed by one of the major game companies, and this article should try to indicate why, in factual terms, this is so. 98.210.209.79 (talk) 06:52, 11 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Tnayakm, 12 August 2011

The following content could be added initially in the introduction or Gameplay section:-

Minecraft is based on the client-server model. The server can be hosted on all the major operating systems that are available today - like Windows, Mac OS X and LINUX. [1] There is compatibility with most of the LINUX flavors, such as Debian[2], Ubuntu[3], CentOS[4] and others.

==References==

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Tnayakm (talk) 09:35, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Neither of these references is reliable though; these are both how-to guides. User-edited Wikis or personal blogs are not suitable to support facts in an article. Concluding that the game is compatible from these is original research. Besides, it's not the game that is compatible with those OSes, it's Java. And listing Linux flavours over Windows or OS X is undue weight. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:27, 12 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from D3ath1id3r, 14 August 2011

Hi, why not adding a sub-section "See also" which features Minecaft-likes?

For example:

Lots of other games on Wikipedia have such section. This would help linking these games together and be more consistent with Wikipedia itself, IMO.

Greetings, DR

D3ath1id3r (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Partly done: Linking to Manic Digger and Mythruna would be inappropriate as they have no pages on Wikipedia, and linking to them would violate our external links policy. FreeMiner.net is currently tagged for deletion so I'm inclined not to add a link until we see a resolution for that tagging. However, linking to Ace of Spaces is valid, so I'm adding that now. elektrikSHOOS (talk) 01:30, 15 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

TNT

" in Classic mode, TNT will act like any other block and break when hit, but, in Beta mode, TNT will detonate after the fuse is lit." Should be changed to: " in Classic mode, TNT will act like any other block and break when hit, but, in Beta mode, TNT will detonate after it is powered."

or something similar as TNT no longer detonates when you hit it, you just get the block back. Avpover (talk) 23:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I actually typed that part. Anyway, it doesn't say anything about hitting the block, it just says the fuse needs to be lit. (OK, sign it correctly, for once.) PR0T05T33L 00:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request for MinecraftCon

Please change the term "MinecraftCon" to "MineCon," as that is the official name of the event based on this website. --Dodge Story (talk) 04:06, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done and more; I've updated and fleshed out the entire section to include information from yesterday's release. (See here.) —JeevanJones (talk) 12:47, 21 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mobs?

Should we call them mobs? I know there is a link, but would a nongamer understand what was meant? Why not call them monsters instead? P.S. I am new so if this has been discussed before or I have offended someone I apologize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winfredtheforth (talk • contribs) 11:05, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 11:40, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's tricky. You can refer to the menagerie of beasts in Minecraft as "monsters," but they're referred to by the developers, and several outside sources, as "mobs." This probably should be clarified. elektrikSHOOS(alt) (talk) 17:13, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Usually, we avoid jargon if it can be explained plainly; VG articles are probably the worst after maths. How would you explain it without breaking prose? —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 17:23, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'll look at the passage and try to figure out a way to phrase it that isn't awkward. elektrikSHOOS(alt) (talk) 17:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ a b "Tutorials/Setting up a server". 2011-08-12. Retrieved 2011-08-12.
  2. ^ a b "Tutorials/Setting up a server - Debian".
  3. ^ a b "Tutorials/Setting up a server - Ubuntu".
  4. ^ a b "How to Set Up Minecraft Server on CentOS".
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