Talk:Batman

Wayne merged w/ Batman

I think Bruce Wayne should be merged into this article of Batman because Bruce and Batman are one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.174.158 (talk) 21:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I believe Dick Grayson replaced Bruce as Batman, permanently this time. However, comic books are known to go back and forth on killing people all the time, is Bruce back to being Batman again now? Harry Blue5 (talk) 13:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Batman is a persona adopted by several characters, including Dick Grayson and Azrael. While, yes, 99% of the time Batman is Bruce Wayne, the times when they aren't one and the same should be enough for them to be considered separable. GRAPPLE X 01:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

To be honest that only depends on how good the Bruce Wayne article. And when I look at it it I see more of a fan site. Variety is the only reliable source on it so far. 99% is good enough for me to know that's the most notable alter ego of Batman. And the Batman article could still mainly focus on him better than a seperate article. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:48, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

The Daily Princetonian can work as a relable source too. So that's two reliable sources. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Just a minor point.

"In the original version of the story and the vast majority of retellings, Batman's secret identity is Bruce Wayne, an American millionaire"

Isn't Batman the secret identity of Bruce Wayne instead of Bruce Wayne being the secret identity of Batman? --80.60.87.138 (talk) 05:16, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

That depends on whether you consider "Batman" or "Bruce Wayne" an "identity". At any rate, they're both "secret". Harry Blue5 (talk) 13:02, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

But while Batman has been many different people, this article mainly surrounds Bruce Wayne, it mentions Dick Grayson, what aboutt Azreal and Terry McGinnis from Batman Beyond? (talk)

Batman Should Be Labeled As A Superhuman Instead Of Higher Ability

In Batman: Under The Red Hood, Batman was able to dodge a car easily! In the last episode of Justice League Unlimited, Batman impressed Darkseid by being the first being to ever dodge his death beam not even Superman can dodge it! Batman is able to dodge bullets and other impossible elements such as heat beam just like in Batman: Under The Red Hood. Batman with Robin in The Batman was able to beat a cyborg who had the powers of all the Justice League! Batman was able to survive a punch from an amazo in Batman The Red Hood. In Batman The Red Hood, Batman was able to escape buildings ready to blow and he didn't even need his bathanger to jump across building to building. In the comios he was able to survive being poisoned by Poison Ivy until she cured him. Superhuman means improved human and that is what Batman is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnthonyTheGamer (talk • contribs) 20:06, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

I think we're talking artistic license. There has been no indication I'm aware of in some 70+ years of Batman that he underwent any transformation or was otherwise given some technological or supernatural means to turn superhuman. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:12, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Batman just has some seriously good reflexes. If we stretch the limits of "superhuman" to include that, then I want Bear Grylls listed. GRAPPLE X 13:25, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Well they have showned that Batman has evolved throughout the series and in Wikipedia of the examples of superhuman, one of their examples is evolution. Lets think about it, can the Green Arrow do all the things like Batman can, also how many normal men can dodge a car thrown at them? ````AnthonyTheGod

Again, artistic license. If the source material does not judge him to be superhuman, we cannot call him that without violating policies on opinion and original research. Doczilla _STOMP! 07:17, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

If that is true about the artistic license then why are the 2000 century animators breaking Batman's character? In the 90s, he wasn't able to do all the things he can do now. Why are these cartoons of Batman nowadays make him look superhuman? AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 08:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)AnthonyTheGamer

See Wikipedia guidelines. This is not a forum. This isn't the place for that discussion. Sorry. Doczilla _STOMP! 13:06, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

To Doczilla you do realize that an internet forum is a discussion right? Where else am I going to find out why they are breaking Batman's artistic license, tell me? I understand but at least put on Batman's page why they keep evolving the character like on Superman's Wikipedia page. To Doczilla, I read the guidelines and you with the rest of Wikipedia editors are suppose to update any new events to Wikipedia's pages so then you are suppose to update if DC comics evolved Batman so answer the question that is part of your guidelines to "update". AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 07:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer

Bluntly: This thread as started isn't an attempt to improve the article, it's an attempt to get a fan debate going. This is not the place for it, nor are any of the talk pages on Wikipedia. It can stop now. - J Greb (talk) 00:02, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Batman (comics)

Can someone just labeled this way above title so someone will not get confused. AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 08:08, 7 April 2011 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer

If you mean the article, no. If not, try explaining what you mean. - J Greb (talk) 10:51, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Why does Batman have superhuman abilities in the cartoon than the comic?

I know that all of you read the Batman comics but I don't think you watch the Batman cartoons. Somebody explain in the Batman page why he is able to do all of these non-human abilities? AnthonyTheGamer (talk) 22:05, 11 April 2011 (UTC) AnthonyTheGamer

Isn't this essentially the same discussion as that above? Aawood (talk) 11:47, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Yup. The game being played is very stale. - J Greb (talk) 14:41, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Just a little niggle...

The quote from Bill Finger about naming Bruce Wayne appears twice in the article, in both the Publication History section and the Bruce Wayne subsection in Characterisation. While I can understand having either section state the information, I don't understand both of them using it. Additionally it's placed in 'Bruce Wayne' in a slightly clunky manner. Would somebody edit it out of that latter section? 82.37.246.236 (talk) 14:01, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

No Need

I see there to be no need for the homosexual section. It is citing a minor viewpoint and uses outdated references.--Valkyrie Red (talk) 00:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

It's a genuine area of academic interest that forms a major part of the character's public perception. There isn't a need insofar as you believe that to be true, but you're wrong, so there's really not a case to be argued there.Zythe (talk) 11:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe I'm grossly mistaken, but didn't the perception of Batman being possibly homosexual play some part in the Comics Code Authority being created? Again, this is what I'm led to believe, but if true, that alone makes the homosexuality aspect of the article relevant and necessary. Regardless of my possible misunderstanding of this, it is also something that is addressed in culture, so to ignore it would be inappropriate and unfair to readers, as it is an aspect that carries some weight. Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED, and not liking it is no reason to remove it. Outside of censoring and not liking it, I can see no reason why it would be removed. - SudoGhost 11:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. It's a sourced viewpoint and one that has been important enough in comics history. Even if it were to fall under WP:FRINGE, which it doesn't, it's still brief enough that it does not constitute undue weight given to a minority view. GRAPPLE X 14:24, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Batman Beyond

Even though Terry McGinnis is Batman Beyond or Batman of the future, shouldn't he be under "partnerships" that is under his picture of Batman at the top? Superman and Batgirl and Robin are all under there. I understand that Nightwing isn't under there because they were never directly partners, but I believe Terry McGinnis or Batman Beyond should be, despite how far away he is in the timeline since superman and batgirl were not partners at the same time either.

Batman story featuring Batboy?

This question is aimed at the wikipage on Batman.

I seem to recall that in the Batman comic series (some time probably during the 1960's) I recall Robin querying Batman about whether a suitable name for him would be "Batboy" rather than Robin. I think that this led to a (one off) story of Batman recounting that there had previously been a Batboy (who I think died). I wonder if any other readers or contributors could make a comment on this.

Jpmct (talk) 13:26, 13 August 2011 (UTC)Jpmct

Darknight Detective

The "Darknight Detective" title is a nickname that was rarely used in the 80s, but is no longer used. As such, it does not belong in the lede, which is an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects. This is not an important aspect. I suggest that if it is insisted that this title is in the article, that it is placed somewhere within the article itself as opposed to the lede. Placing it in the lede gives undue weight to a nickname that is hardly ever used, giving the impression that this is a commonly attributed nickname, when it is not. This is why I removed it from the lede, as it doesn't belong there, sourced or not. - SudoGhost 13:45, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

The assertion that Batman wasn't referred to as the Darknight Detective during the '80s is flat-out wrong. I have enough of my old comics from that time (not to mention the '70s) to prove it. jtmatbatjtmatbat 14:06, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

I think you misunderstood. I didn't assert that Batman wasn't referred to as such in the 80's. I said he rarely was. After the 80's (1989 to be exact), I'm not aware of any references to Batman as such. The fact that Batman hasn't been called that in over twenty years (and during the 80's, it wasn't an often used nickname for him) makes it a minor detail. Searching online for "Darknight Detective" turns up little, with no real reliable sources that could establish anything, so if it was a commonly used name for Batman, it doesn't seem to be well reflected on the internet. Minor details like that don't belong in the lede, which is a summary of the article's most importance aspects. - SudoGhost 18:31, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

2¢ - Along with the issues related to the lead section there is also a need to establish a context for the term when adding it within the remainder of the article. There should be something reliable that can be cited, on-line or off, for the writers or editorial creating, using, and re-using these types of terms for the character. And that would be worth looking into. - J Greb (talk) 20:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Issue with sentence in opening paragraph

In the opening paragraph it says Batman has appeared in "many of DC Comics' publications". A better wording would be Batman has appeared in publications by DC Comics or primarily in publications by DC Comics. - Chavando (talk) 02:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)