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  • This page either needs to be deleted, or it needs a disambiguation page. I was looking for an authorlink to Dr. Vinay Kumar, the primary author of Robbins Pathology. If anyone should be listed on this page, it should be him. Otherwise, it creates confusion. Perhaps this page should simply be deleted. Chaldor (talk) 08:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Potential BLP issue

I object to the inclusion of the term "10th rate trundler". I am not against including criticism, but according to WP:BLPSTYLE:

"Criticism and praise should be included if they can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, so long as the material is presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a disinterested tone. Do not give disproportionate space to particular viewpoints; the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all."

Accordingly, apart from being disparaging towards the subject, the phrase "10th rate trundler" is also the viewpoint of Haigh Gideon, a minority of one. I am sorry for following your contributions to this article. I would usually not do this, but since this is a biography, I couldn't let this pass. According to the policy page, the burden of evidence for inclusion of the material is on you, and therefore, I would request you to please remove the statement until this dispute is resolved. Thanks. Telco (talk) 19:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

By your flawed logic, the views of anyone should be discarded as everyone is a minority of one. Haigh is in the A-grade of cricket journalists; he published his opinion in Australia's only national newspaper. His viewpoint helps contextualise the one and only Test match in which the subject of the article has played. So no, I'm not going to remove it. If you can find other quotes from reputable journalists or writers, perhaps saying different things, you're more than welcome to include them as well. --Mkativerata (talk) 19:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have initiated a discussion on WP:BLPN. Thanks. Telco (talk) 20:03, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A ridiculous bit of POV-pushing. And I suggest that Mkativerata reads WP:3RR too... AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:53, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Novel that an editor with multiple edit-warring blocks should be giving a lecture on 3RR, which of course I haven't broken. Nonetheless, I propose the following text that uses less colourful sources:

Former Pakistan fast bowler Wasim Akram called Vinay Kumar's lack of pace in the Test— bowling at 120 kilometres per hour in his opening overs—"disappointing".[1] He was left out of India's team for the fourth and final Test of the series in Adelaide, Ashwin returning to the team in his place.[2]

The point here is that multiple reliable commentators and newspapers criticised both Vinay Kumar's selection and his performance. For example, the Times of India said his selection "baffled most".[1] Dean Jones called for him to be dropped.[2]. Cricinfo gave his performance 2 out of 10 and said: "Vinay Kumar will not forget Perth and David Warner [who carted him around the ground] in a hurry."[3] We can't ignore all of that. --Mkativerata (talk) 01:10, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of quoting Akram or someone else, can we say something like "In <MONTH> <YEAR>, the decision to include him in the Indian cricket squad for <SERIES> was criticized by many cricket commentators due to lack of form and performance." [or something similarly worded] Telco (talk) 06:10, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Perth showed the inadequacies of ageing players: Akram". Times of India. 18 January 2012. Retrieved 31 January 2012.
  2. ^ "Aussies in to bat as they chase series whitewash". The Canberra Times. 24 January 2012. Retrieved 31 January 2012.