Talk:Crossrail 2

Three routes?

In the article, it lists two routes which were planned for this line. Underneath, it then reads "Of the three routes in south-west London the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea initially favoured the first, but now supports the second". To what is this refering to? Simply south 11:56, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Route diagram

I've added a route diagram to this article. For clarity, I left out some of the details mentioned in the diagram on Central Line such as motorway crossings. Also, the Woodford/South Woodford interchange is Difficult, and I don't know the precise mechanics of how that's going to work, so I've simplified it to marking those two stations as junctions (rather than doing all that funky stuff with the branching line symbols).

If someone could produce an actual map a la Image:Central Line.svg, that would be super awesome. -- Earle Martin [^t/_c] 03:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Western route

There have been stories in some railway journals about a western route from Chelsea to Fulham, Barnes, Hounslow and Heathrow Airport or Southall. I cannot remember which journals or the exact route. If someone else knows, can it be added to the article? 139.133.7.37 (talk) 17:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC) L. E. Greys

Proposed Chelsea-Hackney Line Services

Based on reading up on things, i have made SIMPLE diagrams of what i forsee for services on the future Central Line and with the proprosed Chelsea-Hackney Line. Just ideas in my sandbox. Check it out please.Dkpintar (talk) 13:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Other Proposals

I can see someone has gone to quite a lot of effort in adding to this section but I would query whether any of it is more than speculation unworthy of an encyclopedia. There are only two references provided. One is to the excellent but now out-of-date alwaystouchout.com and I can't say it really supports what is written. The other is an out-of-date ELL map showing Clapham Junction as interchanging with Crossrail 2 - but this is not shown on later maps.

In all honesty I think the whole section should be removed but that seems a bit drastic. What do others think ?--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 14:06, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Having just read it, it does seem like wishful speculation. There seems to be no supporting material on the web, and I've not heard of it in published form either. Something just doesnt quite seem right. OutrageousBenedict (talk) 04:56, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes ... it's tricky because as you say someone seems to have put in a lot of work - but without citations it's very difficult to tell what these proposals were, when they were active, what importance they had and so on. On balance I wonder if it should perhaps go, or is there a chance of encouraging the author to justify this passage? Best wishes, DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 07:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

I've zapped it; OR at best but certainly no valid sources have covered this concept which, clearly, would have received pres coverage in the areas concerned (it didn't). If some sources can be found then it can easily be retrieved from history. The Clapham Junction is still, sfaiaa, a valid connection as there is still a safeguarded curve under the river (though not safeguarded any further than that) in the direction of the Junction. --AlisonW (talk) 09:40, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

At least the information is archived if it turns out to be reliable! However, I notice now that the use of the Northern Heights line is completely gone from the artical. This perhaps should have stayed, as a reference for it can be found at the eminent CULG [1], and it predated the alterations by the other chap. OutrageousBenedict (talk) 14:00, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

As fabulous as CULG is, Clive doesn't give a citation that I can find for the mention, and I think it would be better to cite whatever the original source is (presuming it exists). -- Earle Martin [^t/_c] 18:58, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree, strongly. It is fascinating stuff but the Northern Heights idea is massive and really does require a good, direct, verifiable source otherwise we run the risk of just repeating speculation. One good ref and yep, whack it back in, but until that wonderful day I honestly feel it mist stay out. Prove me wrong with a good ref and I will buy you a chocolate orange! :) DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 07:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Does this help any? http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/rail/strategyfinance/strategy/londoneastweststudy.pdf#page=33 Grover Snodd (talk) 20:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Interesting but the document speculates on all sorts of routes. The next page is one from Wimbledon to Liverpool Street mainly in tunnel! This is blue-sky thinking from a previous generation at the SRA - not serious proposals.--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 04:48, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Original Plan

The first plans refered to were actually from Hammersmith. Saying 'South West' London in this instance may seem confusing, as its Hammersmith is far more west than it is south-west. I know its a pedantic point, but it undermines what the point of the introduction was. South West - North East is a relatively new concept, but the idea of West - North East has a far longer pedigree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OutrageousBenedict (talk • contribs) 10:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Line vs line

The article has been made completely inconsistent in its use of "Line" or "line" due to recent changes made. The wikipedia convention is to follow the LUL convention and use "line" when following the name of a tube line. One can argue that this is grammatically wrong but it is probably more important to be consistent than correct. In any case it is what people as used to as this is what appears in official publications. I have attempted to be consistent throughout this article and with other wikipedia articles and change all references to "line" except where they should obviously remain e.g. referring to a source where "Line" was used.--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 04:35, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

What is "safeguarding"?

I don't know if that's some kind of British slang, but clarification in the article would be appreciated. Google "safeguarding rail" gets this article as the first hit, so it seems kind of unique. Gigs (talk) 18:18, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I think it means 'protecting from development' in this instance. In other words, the land where the line will run cannot be used for any other purpose. If the line wasn't safeguarded, a property developer could buy the land and build something where the track would go, providing an obstacle. NRTurner (talk) 20:01, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

I think you are right. But there seems to be more subtlety to it than that. How do you "re-safeguard" a proposed line? What does that imply? If you could do something with the article to help clarify these issues (or maybe even start an article on the subtleties of rail route safeguarding in the UK), that would be great. Gigs (talk) 03:01, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

This was in a government document, source

The development of large scale infrastructure, such as roads or railways, takes a considerable length of

time. To protect the proposed alignment from conflicting development the Secretary of State can issue a direction under Articles 10(3) 14(1) and 27 of the Town and Country Planning (General Development Procedure) Order 1995. The Secretary of State issues the safeguarding to local planning authorities in the form of the direction, plans and explanatory notes. The direction requires the local planning authorities to consult TfL (through its agent CLRL) when determining planning applications for land within the limits shown on the plans attached to the direction.