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WP:ANI

Your incident topic got archived without anyone replying to what you had addressed, I have since brought it back from the graveyard so hopefully someone else can take a look about what we are talking about. MrMacMan Talk 20:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

What I've been trying to do

Well as you have noticed Gon4z is back, but I've started to call him on the changes he keeps making. If you read over Template talk:Infobox National Military Albania you can see what I'm taking about -- if he is going to revert stuff back I want to know why and what sources he is using to backup the changes. I've also asked him User_talk:Gon4z#Military_of_Albania about his changes to that article. I feel that this back and forth reversion isn't getting us to some final consensus. I feel that putting the facts and sources out there on record and calling him on the edits he is making is the only way to show that we are using more up to date information and from more reliable sources too. I mean if this really needs to go to some further body (arbitration, etc) we should have our case for our sources laid out. The print sources, while much more reliable and much more up to date are very hard to check because they are not online and require subscriptions to access. I mean he somehow tried to justify his edit that the military budget was '$849 million' from website that talks about Ponzi schemes... but that's not even the problem -- the number he took from the website was referring to the budget of the Philippines! I mean half of the page talks about albania, the other half about the Philippines... and even then the number was from 2003 and from an AP article I can't even find online anywhere else. I feel that we should ask questions and how rational for making the reverts and when he realizes that we are using actual publications that do this professionally and he is using websites that are significantly older, he has to understand. MrMacMan Talk 09:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Alpini Regiment

So... there's a 16 Alpini Regiment and a 18 Alpini Regiment -- so there was no 17th regiment? hehe. Just wondering. BTW, your contributions are really amazing. Great work. MrMacMan Talk 02:56, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Polish Army

Hi! You are asking for help in translating and help in structures Polish Land Forces. Nowadays on Polish Wiki we don't have it like it but - I promise, when I find some time I do it for Polish Wikipedia and for you. Best regards Joymaster —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.190.7.243 (talk) 15:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC).

Welcome!

Hi, and welcome to the Military history WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to military history.

A few features that you might find helpful:

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask one of the project coordinators, or any experienced member of the project, and we'll be happy to help you. Again, welcome! We look forward to seeing you around! Carom 15:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

re:Greetings

  • 1. I proposed myself the article because there are no more users very much interested in it. Let me ask you a question, what's the point for me to do this eforts to edit and improve this article, if this article remains forever a B-class? However, I didn't read very carefully the GA criterias and I didn't know that if you are major contributor you are not allowed to propose the article.
  • 2. Regarding the Wikichevrons, you truelly deserve them.
  • 3. Regarding the tanks, yes I'm sure that officially there are aprox. 1400 in service (1350 TR-85s and 30 T-72s), also you can see the List of equipment of the Romanian Land Forces which is incomplete at the moment, but there are some good details about the inventory. Please note that France operates 1000 tanks (380 Leclercs and 614 AMX-30B2s), Italy 320, I'm not sure about the German number of tanks, but together, I'm pretty sure that these 3 countries are operating more than 1400 tanks.

If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask; oh, and sorry for the delay. Best, --Eurocopter tigre 09:38, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

  • 1.If you are correct about the tanks inventory of German, French and Italian armies, then somebody should update their articles.
  • 2.From those 1400 tanks I don't know how many are currently operational (maybe 1000, maybe 500, or probably only the TR-85M1s - but I couldn't find any source saying that). I wouldn't really trust the IISS - for example, IISS does not list any TR-85s (basic variant) in service and I'm pretty sure that there were produced 1300+ of them (380 being modernized to M1). However, maybe I will write near the 1400 number "(IISS list 1258 in service)". You should know that IISS numbers aren't trusted in many army-related articles (ex:Russian Air Force).
  • 3.Regarding GAs, I can help you with proposing some of those "20 big articles" heavily edited by you.

Best, --Eurocopter tigre 11:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:Polish divisions - Army structure

Hi. I'm sorry about this mistake. Reason of this deletion: the "ek" (like "db" in en. wikipedia) template was put on those pages by Joymaster, something like "{db|already answered, in progress}". And this user doesn't give any reason before to don't trust him, has more than 30k edits and is an expert in military. Anyway, I'll restore those discussion pages. Regards pl:Wikipedysta:Lajsikonik —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.205.45.175 (talk) 10:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

I may recommend Szczepan1990 for make Polish translation of graphics, he is experienced and very helpful user, and also an admin on Commons: Commons:User:Szczepan1990. For fast contact, available on #wikipedia-pl on IRC. Regards Lajsikonik 13:35, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


I guess that what Lajsikonik really had in mind was that I was capable of preparing graphics - I am no expert in army matters. However, I forwarded your request to a flesh-and-bone specialist, who should contant you shortly. Regards. Szczepan talk 15:40, 15 maja 2007 (CEST)

German army

Hi, I wanted to note, that on the graphs there are actually some parts of German army missing. For example, in the article about German army there is Mechanized Brigade 30 of the 10th Armoured Division listed. It is not in the graphs though. And some other units are also missing, therefore German army seems surprisingly small on the graphs, while actually its largest in Europe (excluding Turkey and Russia). Please, correct it. And thank you for you graphs, I really appreciate them! Pirveli 19:11, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

But according to this graph German army is in fact smaller, than Spanish one, which is 80+ thousand. Is that really the case, even after this reorganization?:). Thank you, Pirveli 01:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I see now, thank you for information. What if you put approximate number of men in the battalion or regiment (depending on which of them is the basic unit of the specific army) on the graphs? It would really help to understand by the graph, what the specific army really is. Pirveli 04:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Alpini

Noclador, I'm not really sure about the icons size. Should they be 25(main units) and 20(regiments) px or 20 and 15px. The 15px simply looks too small. I'd like to hear your opinion on this. Cheers, --Eurocopter tigre 19:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Noclador, which are those 20 articles heavily edited by you which deserve to be GAs? I can help nominalizing them. Also, please consider adding more references to articles you currently edit (Italian Army, Alpini). For example, if you want the Italian Army to become a GA, it needs much more text (maybe narrative) and references. I've just been involved in a horible discussion regarding referencing and it seems that if an article is proposed for GA, it needs to have one reference per paragraph (I don't agree with that, but otherwise the proposed article won't pass). Regards, Eurocopter tigre 19:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Good, I'm going to help you with the Alpini Project, but I'm not going to be a major editor of it (I can't propose the article for FA in the future if I'm a major editor and I want to make sure that I'm the one proposing it), I'll also try to do only 3-4 edits a week (but big ones). Best, Eurocopter tigre 08:19, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
If you consider any of my edits to Alpini bad or useless for the article please fell free to revert it. It's your work and I don't want to disturb you. Also, when you have some time, could you please update the Romanian Land Forces structure graphic? Cheers, Eurocopter tigre 18:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Romanian Land Forces structural graphic

Regarding the RoLF graphic:

  • 1st Army Corps - 1. those two MP btns. doesn't exist; 2. the CIMIC btn is actually the 1st CIMIC btn; 3.the Air Defense rgt is actually the 1st Air Defense brigade "General Nicolae Dăscălescu" - located near Bucharest (belonging to the Romanian Air Force, but you can leave it there);
  • 4th Army Corps - 1. I've never heard of those MP, engineer and recon. btns; 2.the Air Defense rgt is actually the 11th Air Defense regiment "Horea" - located near Braşov (also belonging to the Air Force, but you can leave it);

Cheers, Eurocopter tigre 20:34, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Noclador, when you are back, please update the RoLF graphic as follows:
  • General HQs section has been updated
  • 34th and 282nd brigades had been updated
  • 6th brigade was disbanded (please note 53 AAA rgt as part of the 1st army and 50th AAA rgt. as part of the 4th Army)
  • 528th recon and 60th para. - part of the 1st army

Cheers, Eurocopter tigre 17:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Romanian Land Forces Structure
Hi Noclador. Firstly, I want to congratulate you on all those graphics you made - I am sure it must take a lot of time doing them :) Secondly, just a small addition, I think it would be much easier for you to see where changes have taken place with respect to the RoLF, if you just check out the pages for the 1st Army and 4th Army (as a few new battalions have been added to the 4th army, not just the 1st). To help you, in case you get lost, i have attempted to make a rough-draft based on your own graphs. So now all, you have to do is make those changes onto the original. Best. Dapiks 19:50, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Just a small thing: ine the 2nd Inf. Brg, the 166th btn is actually the 116th btn. Thanks, Eurocopter tigre 12:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

1 Batalion Strzelców Podhalańskich im. gen. bryg. Józefa Kustronia

Hallo, habe Deine Anfrage bezüglich polnischer Gebirgsjäger-Einheit "Podhale Schützen" gelesen. Da mein Deutsch besser sei als Englisch deswegen schreibe ich Dir auf deutsch :). Das erste batalion gehört zu der 21 Podhale Brigade (Stützpunkt Rzeszów in Süd-Polen - Podkarpacie Region). Den Wappen des Batallions findest Du [1] hier. Stützpunkt des Batallions ist Rzeszów. Das Batallion gehörte zwischen 1920 und 1939 der 21 polnischen Infantrie Division (21 Dywizja Strzelców Podhalańskich). In Frankreich 1940 wurde eine Brigade (Strzelców Podhalańskich) gegründet, die ana der Schlacht bei Narvik (Norwegen) teilnahm. Brigade wurde dann von Narvik nach Brest (Frankreich) verlegt und ging verloren (zerstreut) während der Frankreich-Kapitulation. Die Reste der Brigade wurden nach Schottland verlegt und als 1 Batalion Strzelców Podhalańskich der "1 Polnischen Panzer Division" in Großbritanien zugeordnet (als motorisierte infanterie). Das batallion nahm mit der Division an der Kämpfen in der Normandie, in Belgien und Holland teil und besetzte im mai 1945 Wilhelmshaven. Die Einheiten die in Polen den Beinamen "Podhalański bzw. Podhalańska" tragen dürfen zur Gala-Uniformen besondere Mantel und Kopbedeckung tragen (anbindung an die Podhale Region). Die Einheit ist heutzutage trotz ihres gebirgigen Namens jedoch als "motorisierte infantrie" einzusehen. Ich hoffe, daß ich dir ein wenig helfen konnte. Gruß 80.171.89.203 18:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Alpini 2

Ho ritrovato il materiale che cercavo: si tratta di immagini degli stemmi dei reparti che ti interessano. Sono ancora nella prima versione, cioè immagini jpeg da circa 2000x3200 pixel e con i colori sbiaditi, ma possono essere ritagliati e portati allo standard degli altri. Vorrei spedirteli per e-mail per valutarli; poi decidiamo cosa farne. A che indirizzo posso mandarli? Ciao MassimoPalmieri 19:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC) (Massimop di Commons)

Orbat Graphics

Hi,

Great work on the Orbat Graphics. May I enquire as to what program you are using ?

220.238.79.77 11:32, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Just an old version of Photshop. noclador 20:22, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Gon4z

Hi! I'd like to thank you and I will let you know if he goes on doing it. May I ask you something? When an article is vandalizing and you revert it three times in 24 hours, are you gonna be blocked? If yes, what's the best you can do? Leave it vandalized? Thank you! - Sthenel 07:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, he is unutterable. Some times, his edits are not reverted for hours and I have to do it by myself 3 or 4 times a day. Anyway - Sthenel 17:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Very good work! I read it and I think that you mentioned almost everything so I don't have to add anything else. Unless your request is accepted, then I too could write something about him. - Sthenel 09:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

RoAF

Thanks, it looks awsome, as do all your contributions. Cheers. Dapiks 16:16, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Crap, I just messed up your edits in the Romanian Land Forces. I also did some improvements, so please have a look and put your edits back if necessary. Sorry! Eurocopter tigre 12:59, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks a lot for the barnstar!! Eurocopter tigre 13:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Any thoughts regarding the best format for the RoLF structure?? Should it remain like is it now, or should it be changed? Victor12 proposed the next format:

1st Territorial Army Corps "General Ioan Culcer" - HQ Bucharest

Best regards, Eurocopter tigre 19:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Subject of Gonz4

Thank you Noclador for your message. Yes I have noticed Gonz4's relentless drive to change articles without providing a shred of proof to support it, lol to be honest I got sick of undoing much of his work... I adopted the "give the baby what it wants.." outlook. Never the less any insults he has made to me have not damaged me emotionally, I found ignoring him very effective. If indeed he continues his work of fabricating articles and personal attacks on any member of Wikipedia, you have my full support to contact the administrator and allow them to deal with Gonz4. Once again thank you and I hope to hear from you again. :) Regards: User:Bluewings17:54,31 May 2007 (UTC)

Just a question, do the Alpinis have an own motto? How about a nickname?Eurocopter tigre 17:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

About your report for Gon4z

Yeah, he's been writing a lot of unsourced stuff. In the Serbian Air Force article he writes a lot of biased and false things, and whenever I try to rewrite facts with actual sources, or even just spelling corrections (he doesn't type with very good english) he would always revert it. It's good that you noticed his troubles. Thanks. I'll read the report you made more after this Zastavafan76 21:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Noclador for sending me the report you have made concerning Gonz4, Yes Zastavafan76 basically told you everything I needed to say as well..... geez Gonz4 wouldn't even let me delete a broken link with the very same working one right under it... He clearly has a problem and I don't think he is fit to continue his "contributions" here until he realizes how Wikipedia works. my best regards: Bluewings 6:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

WOW. I really learned something bout this guy. Added on to your report for the admins. Zastavafan76 01:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear Noclador as you have kindly asked, I have sent Admin the following message "I have also noticed Gonz4's inappropriate actions here on Wikipedia, he does not source his claims and worse speaks of heavily biased subjects on very sensitive matters which cause offense to others. It is clear that Gonz4 is not mature enough to follow the rules of Wikipedia. I leave you to ponder and deal with this matter as best as you see fit I trust your judgment will be more than fair. Regards Bluewings 22:16 1, June 2007 (UTC)" I hope this problem will be solved soon and we may all have some peace and move on, I hope we will see a productive environment here friend - my best wishes (drop by if you ever get bored :) ) Bluewings 22:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Alpini

Another question; where does the COMALP has its HQs?? Eurocopter tigre 13:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

RoLF Graphic

Just a question: are you interested in making a graphic for the Russian Ground Forces? --Eurocopter tigre 11:57, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, you'll find some info in the Russian Ground Forces main article, and in the military districts articles. Also, Buckshot06 is a truelly expert on the subject, but, unfortunately, he is away studying in France and all his notes are left home. Have a look at the main article and military districts articles and see if those infos are enough. Best, --Eurocopter tigre 19:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Good, there are also info available for the 201st Motor Rifle Division, 19th Motor Rifle Division, 5th Guards Tank Division, 42nd Motor Rifle Division and 74th Motorized Brigade (Russia). Best, Eurocopter tigre 09:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Missing Swiss Army Battalions

Well, first of all, I'd like to commend you on the great job doing all these charts. Are you doing them manually or have you made some software you help you?

I have seen that you left the reserve militia battalions out of the chart. Was that done on purpose? In this case, the Bat. de Sappeurs Chars 2 of the 2nd Brigade should be removed, as it's a reserve unit nowadays.

I've also noticed you left out two active militia battalions of the 2nd Infantry Brigade: the Inf Bat 13 and Inf Bat 19. Don't forget to add them, as the 2nd Brigade is not THAT toothless. ;) Russoswiss 00:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)


I agree that our army's homepage is by far not the clearest one. Leaving each unit with the task of making its own webpage and having no central army web master does not help it. The fact that we also have a whole three languages to make pages in doesn't help keep a good informative page, either. Thanks for the extremely fast update! And big kudos for doing something that quite a few Army commands should have done a long way ago.
Also, from your responce on my page, I sense that there is a bit of confusion with our militia. The Swiss army is quasi-entirely made of militia. Professionals are used to staff only instruction and various command posts, and also the DRA 10 (the only professional combat unit). The difference between an active militia and a reserve militia unit is that in active batallions and companies, troops carry out yearly Rehearsal Courses and new soldiers are assigned to the unit after one of the training seasons (three in a year). In a reserve unit, only officers are assigned and carry out yearly Command exercises, new soldiers are not assigned after training seasons.Russoswiss 12:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
As of the Swiss Air Squadrons, there are bits of information here and there. This page lists various unit websites of the FOAP av 31, including those four Combat Squadrons (8,11,17,19) and the helicopter transport squadron 6. This page lists various squadron insignia, but doesn't give any information what so ever on the units themselves (except for the operated aircraft, and even then it's wrong since the 8th squadron moved on to Hornets). No idea whether you already had those, but tossing you the links just in case. I'll try to dig further into this mess once my exams are over, which will be end of June, and will try to sort out which squadrons operate what and which squadrons still *exist* to begin with. Russoswiss 15:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

First of all, I have to say it's quite a accurate graphic, although there are some minor inaccuracies. The swiss orbat is so complicated because training and combat organization is often mixed.

to the military security: The military security has a HQ (Stab Mil Sich), 4 mobile MP coys (Mob MP Kp), 4 territorial MP Coys (Ter MP Kp), 1 MP Battalion (MP Bat) with command coy (MP Stabskp), 2 MP grenadier coys (MP Gren Kp), 1 MP protection coy (MP schutzkp) and four spezial units in company size, which are Schutzdetachement Bundesrat (protection detachment), MP special detachment (MP Spez Det), Security Service MP (SDMP) and security transports MP (Sich Trsp MP)
to the grenadier command: the grenadier command has the status of a regiment in the swiss army
to the artillery training/instruction unit: in this unit there are also 5 active fire control center batteries (FFZ Bttr 1-5) and 3 reserve (FFZ Bttr 6-8). These fire control centers have to coordinate the artillery fire of a brigade, which has 1 or 2 artillery battalions.
to the air defense instruction unit: this unit has also 2 active and 1 reserve air defense combat group HQs. These HQs control in the case of air defese a air defense combat group, which is made of serveral air defense battalions. In the swiss army, this HQ's have the status of a regimental HQ. Green Leader 15:00, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Montenegro

On a little bit of an unrelated note to my above spam, I noticed that you wanted to also make an orbat of the Montenegrin Army. Their defence ministry's homepage has all the orbats already, but in Serbian. I am not a native speaker of the language, but I can always translate these if you have nobody else around. *pokes WikiSerbs* Russoswiss 10:44, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, after checking the talk page, you do need the information. I'll translate and where do I toss the translated orbats to? Russoswiss 10:58, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
No problems at all, glad I could help (a Russo-Swiss translating Montenegrin OrBats, glory to the internets that are made of tubes!) Let's hope some native stumbles upon my translation and corrects anything I might have missed =) Also, I did not include them in the earlier translations, but now thought why the hell not? The Honourary Battalion consists of the HQ Command, the Honourary Company and the Army Orchestra. The MP Company comprises an Administrative Platoon, two MP Platoons and one Traffic Section/Squad. I won't bother finding what VOD VP is, 'cause the page says nothing and I don't speak Serbian well enough to begin digging their side of Goggle. Russoswiss 19:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Islam in Kosovo

Ok, that's fair, thanks for the message. I started the page and I'd like it not to degenerate into an obnoxious edit war, but lets work together to make it better.--Thomas.macmillan 00:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Russian Ground Forces

Of course they are not complete. The logistic and signal units are missing. Uh, we will have to work a lot on this! --Eurocopter tigre 12:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Pakistan Army

The Pakistan Army page you refer to be copied is not correct.

Its that site which copied the wikipedia and not the other way around.

I know this because I am friends with the Admin of that site.

Peace

Mercenary2k 01:59, 16 June 2007 (UTC)


Hellenic Army

Hello, I have noticed your excellent work in creating graphics of the structure of Armies around the world. Could you please see if you can do something about the Hellenic Army? I think that it would be a n interesting addition to the article. Have a nice day! Kapnisma 05:04, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Well, I've made some corrections regarding the structure. What I know for sure (from my own expirience) is that each Brigade consists of three fighting battalions plus some support and artillery ones. For example the 71st Airborn Brigate in Santa, Macedonia, in which I served, has three Airborn battalions (595,596,597 A/M ΤΠ), one Airborn Artillery Battalion (116 Μ Α/Μ ΠΒ), one Light Air Defence Battery (ΠΕ Α/Α ΠΒ), one Airborne Engineer Company (ΛΜΧ), one Support Battalion (TYΠ), one Signal Company (ΛΔΒ) and one HQ Company (ΛΔ).

Each Mechanized Infantry Brigate has one Armoured Battalion (EMA), two Mechanized Infantry Battalions (M/K TΠ), one Self Propelled Artillery Battalion (Μ Α/Κ ΠΒ), one Engineer Battalion, one Logistics Battalion, one HQ Company, one Air Defence Battery, and one Anti-Tank Company (ΛΑΤ), same goes for the Armoured Brigate, but it has two Armoured Battalions and one Mechanized Infantry Battalion. I will try to find more infos. Have a nice day.

Kapnisma 14:28, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response! I've learned the structure of 2 Armoured Brigates, the XXIII and XXIV, but I wouldn't like to bother you constantly, so if I gather the infos you asked I will contact you. Again, thank you for your concern and instand reply! Kapnisma 11:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Done! XXIII TΘΤ, ΧΧV ΤΘΤ Kapnisma 12:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

The 3rd and 4th Armored Cavalry Battalions of the XII Mechanized Infantry Division and the 8th Armored Cavalry Battalion of the VIII Infantry Division are organised in three armored reconnaissance squadrons (8 M-113,6 M901 ITV, 2 M106, 8 M-60A3 each), one tank squadron (14 M-60A3) and one self propelled artillery battery (6 M-109) but I don't know their names Kapnisma 14:20, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work, thanks! Kapnisma 23:19, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Portuguese Army

Hi there! Unfortunately I can't help you as I'm not familiar with the subject. I just pointed out the typo. Keep up the excellent work! Joaopais 22:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Gon4z

That account has been blocked, and I have blocked Gon4z's IP for a week so he/she can not create any more accounts. Prodego talk 18:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Peruvian Army

Perhaps this Link could help you: http://www.saorbats.com.ar/Peruvian%20Army%20ORBAT.htm

This page (www.saorbats.com.ar) features Orbats of different Latin American Armed Forces.

Wiki Chevrons with Oak Leaves

By the order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject, you are hereby awarded the WikiChevrons with Oak Leaves in recognition of your outstanding work on structural graphics for land based forces worldwide, your contributions to the Alpini and other regiments, and for all your other military graphics. For the coordinators, Wandalstouring 19:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations, it is well deserved. Mads Angelbo Talk / Contribs 02:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Polish Army

Hello there! It's good to know there are more OOB afficionados out there (did you check my 1939 map of Poland with divisions marked? it's in the works still). As to your request - I won't have time to translate all the articles you listed right now. My time is limited and so is my wiki involvement. However, feel free to ask me specific questions or request helpful links.

As to the vocabulary - here's a short explanation:

  • Batalion dowodzenia - yup, literally it's "Battalion of commanding"
  • 1 Batalion czołgów - yup, it's "1st tank battalion". Singular for tank is "czołg", plural genetive is "czołgów"
  • Batalion zmechanizowany - You're partially right. Note that in Polish terminology "zmechanizowany" could mean anything mechanized, that is both a mechanized infantry and a MBT battalions could be marked as "mechanized"
  • Dywizjon artylerii samobieżnej -
    • "artyleria samobieżna" is self-propelled artillery
    • "dywizjon" is one of the more difficult terms. Generally inexperienced translators translate it as a "group", though in the Polish army it could be an equivalent of a number of western units. For instance a "dywizjon okrętów" ("ships' dywizjon") is a task force of between 4 and 12 ships. In air forces a "dywizjon" is roughly an equivalent of a British air wing.
    • In artillery (as is the case here), it's simply the basic tactical unit of artillery, regardless of its size. For instance, the firepower of an average 1939 Polish heavy artillery regiment was comprised of three "dywizjons" of 122mm howitzers (two batteries each). All in all, in this case a proper translation would be "Artillery group", "Artillery unit", "Artillery command" or simply "Artillery battalion" (per analogy with infantry regiments).
  • Dywizjon przeciwlotniczy - AA "dywizjon"
  • Kompania rozpoznawcza - reconnaissance company
  • Kompania remontowa - literally "refurbishment company", usually translated as maintenance company [2]
  • Kompania zaopatrzenia - supply company
  • Kompania medyczna - Medical Company
  • Kompania saperów - Sapper or Engineering Company
  • /wcześniej w strukturze istniał jeszcze trzeci batalion czołgów a pododdziały logistyczne były zgrupowane w batalionie logistycznym/ - The sentence roughly means in the past there used to be a third tank battalion within the structure and the logistical sub-units were part of a logistical battalion

//Halibutt 14:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Awesome! Here you go with the rest of your questions:
  • "bateria przeciwpancerna" is any AT artillery battery, not necessarily missile.
  • What does "Legionów" mean? - "Legionów" is plural genetive of legions or legionary. In Poland after the WWI and the Polish-Bolshevik War three divisions (and a number of regiments) retained traditional names of legionary, after the Polish Legions in World War I. These were considered the elite of the army and at times could be slightly better equipped (and were the first to receive new types of equipment). Not the same kind of eliteness as the bersaglieri or the guards, but still. Anyway, among them were the Polish 1st Legions Infantry Division, Polish 2nd Legions Infantry Division and Polish 3rd Legions Infantry Division, as well as some of their sub-units. In modern times several units share the traditions of the Legions and use the name as well.
  • As to Mech Bdes you mentioned, I couldn't find any detailed OOBs. There's lots of divisional OOBs available (check here), but the composition of the brigades seems to be somewhat of a mystery. The same is true to the 3rd AA Regiment ([3]). I'm not a fan of modern weapons and sadly my bookshelf does not contain a single printed publication on modern Polish units. Perhaps you could try asking at some forum? Sorry I couldn't help with this one.

//Halibutt 12:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

In Polish Air Force dywizjon is rather equivalent of RAFs squadron not wing. As for "Legiony" - Some other units are also "marked" with simillar name (usualy it is name of region):

  • 1. Mazusrska Brygada Artlerii (1st Masurian Artillery Brigade)
  • 23. Śląska Brygada Artylerii (23rd Silesian Artillery Brigade)
  • 1. Brzeska Brygada Saperów (1st Engineer Brigade of Brzeg)
  • 2. Mazowiecka Brygada Saperów (2nd Masovian Engineer Brigade)
  • 1. Pomorska Brygada Logistyczna (1st Pommeranian Logistic Brigade)
  • 10. Opolska Brygada Logistyczna (10th "Opolan" (?) Logistic Brigade)
  • 1. Warszawska Dywizja Zmechanizowana (1st of Warsawian (?) Mechanized Div.])
  • 1. Ciechanowski Pułk Artylerii im. Józefa Piłsudskiego (well difficult to translate to Engish ;) bu something like that: 1st Ciechanów's Art. Reg. of Józef Piłsudski)

and so on... compare rest of adjectives in pl:Wojska Lądowe Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej#Organizacja Wojsk Lądowych

Radomil talk 07:45, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Batalion Piechoty Zmotoryzowanej = Motorized Infantry Battalion
  • kompania łącznosci = Signal (or mayby more correctly Communication) Company
  • kompania ochrony i regulacji ruchu = Company of Traffic Security and Control (it isn't Military Polce. In Poland Military Police (Żandarmeria Wojskowa is not part of land forces, air forces or navy, in Poland MP is directly subordinated to Command of Polsih Army)
  • batalion powietrznodesantowy = Airborne Battalion
  • składować - verb "to store"
  • ewakuacja sprzętu - evacuation of equipment
  • dra = dywizjon rozpoznania artleryjskiego - Artillery Reconaissance Group
  • pułk samochodowy - "samochodowy" mean that they use Automobiles, co maby "Automobile Transport Reg." or sth. like that
  • pułk ochrony - Protection (or mayby better Security) Reg.
  • "łączność" - I dont't know what is better translation "Signal" or "Communication"...

Now, I had to go, and for rest questions I will anserw later ;) Radomil talk 08:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yesterday I lost my internet connection and couldn't tell you I already started doing this at User:Halibutt/noclador.... Are all of your questions answered now? //Halibutt 13:22, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Teritory of poland is divided into two military districts: Śląski Okręg Wojskowy (Silesian Military District) and Pomorski Okręg Wojskowy (Pommeranian Military District)

      • 14 Suwalski Pułk Artylerii Przeciwpancernej (Suwałki) = 14th Anti-Tank Rgt.(mayby better 14th Ant-Tank artillery Rgt.)
      • 4 Pułk Przeciwlotniczy (Czerwieńsk) = 4th Air Defence Rgt.
      • 8 Koszaliński Pułk Przeciwlotniczy (Koszalin) = 8th Air Defence Rgt
      • 1 Dębliński Pułk Drogowo-Mostowy (Dęblin) - 1st Dęblinian Engeener Reg. (or litteraly "Road and Bridges Builders") - subordinated to Pommeranian MD
      • 2 Inowrocławski Pułk Komunikacyjny (Inowrocław) = 2nd Communication Rgt.?
      • 3 Włocławski Pułk Drogowo-Mostowy (Włocławek) = 3rd włocławian (?) Engeener Reg. (or litteraly "Road and Bridges Builders") - subordinated to Silesian MD
      • 5 Pułk Inżynieryjny (Szczecin) = 5th Engeneers Reg,
      • 9 Pułk Dowodzenia(Białobrzegi) = 9th Command Btn.
      • 49 Pułk Śmigłowców Bojowych (Pruszcz Gdański) = 49th Combat Helicopters Rgt. (equiped in Mi-24) - subordinated directly to Command of Land forces
      • 56 Kujawski Pułk Śmigłowców Bojowych (Inowrocław) = 56th Cuiavian Combat Helicopter Reg. (Mi-24s) - subordinated directly to Command of Land forces
      • 1 Pułk Specjalny Komandosów (Lubliniec) = 1st Special Forces Rgt. (mayby 1st Special Commando Reg.)
      • 2 Hrubieszowski Pułk Rozpoznawczy (Hrubieszów) = 2nd Reconnaissance Rgt. – not exatly Special Forces, for now they use quads and BWRs but it is during transformation to Long Range Reconaissance unit (only proffesional soliders, lighter equipment, airborne missions)
      • 9 Warmiński Pułk Rozpoznawczy (Lidzbark Warmiński) = 9th Reconnaissance Rgt. – as above
      • 4 Pułk Chemiczny (Brodnica) = NBC Rgt.
    • Samodzielne bataliony i kompanie
      • 100 Batalion Łączności (Szczecin) = 100th Signals Btn. - subordinated to Międzynarodowy Korpus Północ-Wschód (Multinational Corps Northeast)
      • 8 Batalion Walki Radioelektronicznej (Grudziądz) = 8th Electronic Warfare Btn.
      • 11 Batalion Walki Radioelektronicznej (Legnica) = 11th Electronic Warfare Btn.
      • 5 Batalion Chemiczny (Tarnowskie Góry) = 5th NBC Btn.
      • 1 Batalion Zabezpieczenia Dowództwa Wojsk Lądowych (Warszawa) = 1st Provision (?) of Command of Military District Btn.
      • 1 Kujawsko-Pomorski Batalion Zabezpieczenia Okręgu Wojskowego (Bydgoszcz) = 2nd Cuiavian-Pommeranian Provision (?) of Command of Military District Btn.
      • 2 Batalion Dowodzenia Okręgu Wojskowego (Wrocław) = 2nd Command of Military District Btn.
      • 28 Batalion Dowozu Amunicji = 28 Ammunition Supply Btn.
      • 3 bataliony remontowe (52, 55, 112) = Maintenance Btn.
      • 8 batalionów zaopatrzenia (75, 82, 86, 91, 95, 97, 107, 122) = Supply Btn.
      • 6 batalionów ratownictwa inżynieryjnego (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) = Equipment Salvage Btn. (Btns No. 1-5 are subordinated to Silesian MD)
      • ponadto m. in. 2 kompanie kontroli ruchu 2 kompanie transportu ciężkiego itp. = ("moreover, among others, two Companies of traffic control, 2 Companies of Heavy Transport")

(I have to check others, but I supose that thay are too subordinated directly to Command of Land Forces)

Radomil talk 18:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


As for 10th Logistic Brig. - I only found structure from 2002, in order that created this unit (structure probably changed, because Brigade is taking part in Polsih missions in Iraq and Afganistan). Basic structure is:

  • Batalion Dowodzenia = Command Battalion
  • Tyłowa Grupa Wsparcia Logistycznego = Back Area Logistic Support Group
  • Wysunięta Grupa Wsparcia Logistycznego = Foward Logistic Support Group
  • Narodowa Grupa Wsparcia Logistycznego = National Support Element - official English name (litteral translation of Polish name: National Logistic Support Group) existet between 1999-2000 in Macedonia, later in Iraq. Currently AFAIR NSE is in Afghanistan. Radomil talk 08:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Maresciallo d'Italia

Ciao Noclador, scusa il disturbo. Ho visto che anche tu hai avuto a che fare con il simpatico "maresciallatore", un utente, suppongo sia Horemsa, che ha la caparbietà di aggiungere sempre il grado di Maresciallo d'Italia, che secondo le mie fonti è stato abolito nel 1946 con la costituzione della Repubblica. Inoltre aggiunge come grado OF-9 il Generale d'Armata, scomparso nel 1947 e sostituito oggi dal grado di Generale. Dato che continua imperterrito nonostante le mie correzioni e le mie spiegazioni (le ho inserite persino nella pagina del template, credendo che non le trovasse, ma adesso capisco che le ignora) e che tu sei un appassionato dell'argomento mi rivolgo a te. Cosa posso fare per farlo smettere? --F l a n k e r 10:22, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Grazie Noclador, hai perfettamente ragione. Quindi, se informerai gli amministratori che ritieni opportuno sicuramente prenderanno loro i provvedimenti del caso. Ciao, F l a n k e r 12:16, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
Grazie ancora per l'ottimo lavoro. --F l a n k e r 09:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Italian Army Ranks

I've protected the page, unfortunately there doesn't seem to be a range I can block. I am worried this user will go somewhere else however... Prodego talk 15:09, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I will fully protect both pages if you could find me a source for the current ranks. I want to be sure before I fully protect the page. Prodego talk 19:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
Protected. You should add those sources to the article when it is unprotected tomorrow. If this continues then, use WP:RFPP to request the protection be reinstated. Prodego talk 19:41, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Graphics

Hi Noclador, would it be posible for you to make a graphic for an air force structure? --Eurocopter tigre 22:47, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Russian Air Force - it has a complete structure. There are fighter, assault, bomber, transport and interceptor regiments - do you have icons for each of them? However, if you can do it, it would result a great graphic. Have a look, best --Eurocopter tigre 09:22, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Great! I have updated the Special Purpose Command and the 4th, 37th and 61st Air armies. The remaining air armies will be updated next month, as sources permit. Thanks, --Eurocopter tigre 10:10, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

RE: Protection requests for Italian Army Ranks and Ranks and Insignia of NATO Armies/OF/Italy

My first impression was that the user truly believed the rank existed, and someone would need to take the time to explain to him. However, as stated by Steel, he is a sockpuppet, and therefore all what I said is void. He has been blocked, the article semi protected, and his behaviour is being logged in Roitr's log pages. Had I known about this long term vandal before, I would not have asked you to contact him. -- ReyBrujo 00:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Roitr

Hey Noclador, when filing a report, report the SOCK that you have encountered and not giving a list of his SOCKs that have already been discovered and blocked. Try this:

Example:
{{vandal|Horemsa}} is a sock of banned user {{user|Roitr}}, per [[Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse/Roitr]]. ~~~~

Result:
Horemsa (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is a sock of banned user Roitr (talk · contribs), per Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse/Roitr. Nat Tang ta | co | em 08:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

or

Example
{{IPvandal|79.178.24.104}} is a sock of banned user {{user|Roitr}}, per [[Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse/Roitr]]. ~~~~

Result:
79.178.24.104 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) is a sock of banned user Roitr (talk · contribs), per Wikipedia:Long_term_abuse/Roitr. Nat Tang ta | co | em 08:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Hope this helps. Nat Tang ta | co | em 08:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Just a reminder, use this format only on WP:AIV, not on people's usertalk pages. Nat Tang ta | co | em 17:30, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

User:Klass

Thanks for the heads-up. Angus Lepper(T, C, D) 12:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but I don't really watch that article (Mujahideen). I saw significant removal of material by an anonymous IP without explanation whilst watching recent changes and assumed it was persistent vandalism — when I discovered it wasn't, I reverted my edits and apologised. However, I'll check to ensure that the images get removed. Angus Lepper(T, C, D) 14:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Another sock of Roitr?

User:Ksams42198? Not sure if he is, but his new insignias are all pixellated and suck. Can you revert and try to get him blocked? -N 23:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Norway Army

Well, according to the article, Telemark shall be withdrawn from Brigade North and become an independent battalion under Reform 2008 plan. But yes, the article does not really specify much about Brigade North and mostly concentrates on the history and doctrine, failing to provide the exact structural details of the army. At least it gives detailed structure of the air force.

I can't help you much with the Greek and Swedish armies, not speaking Greek or Swedish what so ever, and I gave up even trying to understand the UK army structure after repeated discussions with a TA friend of mine. However, I shall try to poke around Bulgaria and Serbia and see what I can find. Russoswiss 14:57, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

About User:Taulant23

Thanks for your comments. You see, Talant is just onother troll account whose purpose is to disrupt Wikipedia's neutrality by altering every page he doesn't like. Trust me, he has no good faith.--KaragouniS 10:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar of national merit

Thank you very much, I can't thank you enough for your kind help and expert collaboration! --F l a n k e r 14:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

AIV report

Hi Noclador. You recently reported an anon user to WP:AIV. You gave the information "'was warned 3 times, than banned for 31 hours for vandalizing articles about Norway, the ban has now expired and he immediatley returned to the exact same behaviour [...]". However, you said "banned", when I think you meant to say "blocked". Blocking and banning are not the same thing, see blocking and banning policies for their differences. In future, I advise you not to get these two confused with each other, as blocking refers to actions done by an administrator, and banning by ArbCom or Jimbo. Banning sounds much more serious in an AIV report. Good work in reporting users, by the way :) Kind regards, Sebi [talk] 23:07, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Albanian Armed Forces Structure

Please Noclador, find on JPG format the new structure of the Albanian Armed Forces. Best regards

OrBat graph (continued)

I believe that the star is misleading and confusing, especially for those unacquainted with the US Army. As you stated yourself, it's done out of personal and aesthetic reasons, which is nice, however; not accurate. I don't have the units for 1AD and 1ID, but they are available on the division websites. Individual battalion numbers can be acquired by way of the individual brigade sites.--SOCL 22:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Now I notice that for 1ID and 1AD. Likely has to do with their transitioning and moves, big efforts in their own right. I still thoroughly disagree with your concept of keeping the brigades starred as they can make it confusing to anyone unacquainted with the U.S. Army, either in general or specifically regarding hierarchal structure. You mentioned yourself that the more accurate version would have an X versus the star, which you also admitted to adding for aesthetic reasons alone, which I find somewhat disturbing as it does not accurately represent what it purports. This is not to say I do not praise your work and efforts, but I simply find this to be a rather large flaw. In any event, it seems unlikely that we'll get anywhere at all. I simply ask you reconsider your conclusions, and consider editing said matter.--SOCL 06:07, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Sorry if I came across as something of an ass, but I think you made the correct decision. It will certainly help with clarification for those unacquainted with this particular bit of history.--SOCL 18:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Great work, thank you

Hey Noclador

I wanted to thank you for doing a great job on the Organization structure for the Military of Serbia. Once again thanks and keep up the good work. Best regards, hope to hear from you soon. -- Bluewings 9:17 August 4, 2007 (UTC)

Alpini

Hi Noclador, are you still going to expand the Alpini article? I've seen no major edits in the past few months, and you had a very ambitious plan when we started to colaborate. Can I help you with something? Best regards, --Eurocopter tigre 13:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject coordinator selection

The Military history WikiProject coordinator selection process is starting. We are looking to elect nine coordinators to serve for the next six months; if you are interested in running, please sign up here by August 14! Wandalstouring 09:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Romanian Division Graphic

Hi Noclador! I just found a graphic which represents the structure of an Romanian Motorized Rifle Division during Cold War. Would it be posible for you to use informations from it to create a new Noclador-style OrBat Graphic? Here's the link to the pdf: Image:RoDivOrg.pdf. Cheers, --Eurocopter tigre 10:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Exactly! Thanks! --Eurocopter tigre 13:18, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

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