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Eglinton Crosstown LRT has been renamed officially

The new name is "The Crosstown." See here: http://www3.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Projects_and_initiatives/The_Crosstown/index.jsp. One problem is that there are many places called Crosstown, right down to the existence of the IND Crosstown Line in New York City. Should this article be renamed "Crosstown LRT" as the line in New York City is a subway and there are no other LRT lines called "Crosstown"? We cannot use "The Crosstown," as it would redirect to Crosstown. We can use "Crosstown Line," but that would confuse people who want to look for the IND Crosstown Line and are not interested in the Crosstown LRT. Therefore, I believe that "Crosstown LRT" is the best name for the article for now. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 16:54, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Crosstown LRT could be an apt name for the meantime. However, once the TTC begins to use a common name for a line (or uses an official name in its reports), we would have to stick with that name. I'm assuming that the TTC would name the line "Crosstown line" in the future for consistent naming with other lines (Sheppard line, Bloor-Danforth line, etc.) or the TTC may name it Crosstown RT to go with the Scarborough RT and maintain the system's name (Toronto Subway and RT). If "Crosstown line" is the name, the page would have to move to "Crosstown line" with the following tag on the top:

EelamStyleZ (talk) 18:46, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

That can work, but until all environmental assessments related to the line is complete. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 23:56, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

How about

for the hatnote?

Note that the word page is replaced with article in the main namespace. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 03:11, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the format in the above tag can also be used. However, I am skeptical about referring to the line as LRT, since it will eventually become part of a rapid transit system (Ford did call the plan as "subway expansion"). EelamStyleZ (talk) 06:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Therefore, the hatnote should read (if the article were to be moved to Crosstown Line):

Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 15:18, 27 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that would be correct. EelamStyleZ (talk) 01:48, 28 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 22:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This one should be used:

after this article is moved to "Crosstown Line" and the other New York City Crosstown Lines are probably moved to a disambiguation page called Crosstown Line (New York City). Alternatively, the disambiguation page Crosstown Line can be kept as is, but move the Toronto one to Crosstown Line (Toronto). Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 20:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should go with the name "York-Scarborought Crosstown Line. Makes more sense. DE40LFR (talk) 01:25, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I guess "Rob Ford's Great Big Hole" is out of the question. Ground Zero | t 02:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also out of question: "Hole dug up, filled in, dug up again, and possibly filled in again along Eglinton." Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 02:09, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eglinton Crosstown LRT has been renamed officially II

According to Metrolinx, the name of the LRT line is "Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown line." See here: Toronto transit Expansion Projects. Therefore, when it is time, we can rename this article to Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown line. In fact, there is a link to this article in the French Wikipedia: Ligne Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown du métro de Toronto, which translates to "Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown subway line of Toronto." Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 00:18, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's really hard to say for sure what the official name of the line is right now. I'm assuming that the names that have so far been suggested are just for the purpose of a temporary name for the project. Our best bet is actually waiting until station names are announced, etc. which will obviously take years from now. In the meantime, I support moving this page to "Eglinton Crosstown line" or "Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown line". EelamStyleZ (talk) 00:17, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My preference is for "Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown line", but WP:COMMONNAME will probably be "Eglinton Crosstown line", so I support the current usage. Ng.j (talk) 16:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After a lot of research, the new "Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown" nomenclature seems to be fairly established, having been used extensive in documents released by both the TTC and Metrolinx (see branding Sect 3.2 and 3.3). There seem to be a desire to move away from the "Eglinton Crosstown LRT" and use "Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown" to reflect the inclusion of the Scarborough RT portion. I will WP:BOLD move. Ng.j (talk) 05:00, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: WITHDRAWN BY NOMINATOR Ng.j (talk) 10:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eglinton Crosstown line → Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown line – The new article title reflects the inclusion of the Scarborough RT into the transit line. WP:COMMONNAME may also apply: Google shows "Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown" 88,300 results, "Eglinton Crosstown" 24,000 results. There is existing support for the new name on the article talk page, and would've been boldly moved if there wasn't already a redirect blocking it. Ng.j (talk) 05:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Shouldn't this be a move to Eglinton–Scarborough Crosstown line per Manual of Style? Or even to Eglinton–Scarborough Crosstown Line, as it's a proper name? Skinsmoke (talk) 20:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

POP or fare gates?

The LRT will use Presto, but will the stations be POP or have fare gates? In4matt (talk) ) 02:09, 16 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If plans remain as they are, there will be no entry to the trains outside stations, so I imagine fare gates would be the way. Should surface running go back on the books at any point, though, they may go POP or do a hybrid system. Radagast (talk) 01:25, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All that will require a reliable source. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 02:23, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Naturally, and this is just talk-page speculation. As transit plans under the Ford administration remain somewhat unconcluded, we probably can't give a definitive answer until much closer to the line's opening date. Radagast (talk) 02:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Hopefully, we will soon have some more definitive answers.In4matt (talk) 15:52, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

...and surface running IS back on the books. Hey presto! Radagast (talk) 05:05, 9 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Missing the Richmond Hill GO line crossing in the infobox diagram

Title says it all, missing the crossing the Richmond Hill GO line at the east branch of the Don River. I'm not familiar with the train diagrams so I'll leave it to someone more capable to insert it. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 16:26, 10 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done Useddenim (talk) 04:51, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Canned?

Did Mr. Rob Ford can this project or was (were) it other project(s) that he scuttled? Peter Horn User talk 17:45, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, I do not understand that at all. Can you rephrase? --Natural R_X 18:06, 8 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"To can" and "to scuttle" figuratively mean the same thing in this context, namely "to cancel". The former is an informal expression and the latter is a marine term. A ship that is deliberately run unto a sandbank and abandoned is "scuttled". Peter Horn User talk 17:16, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Eglinton Crosstown line was revived to the Transit City version, therefore, it is not cancelled. In fact, the Eglinton Crosstown line is being constructed and cancelling it at this point would be political suicide for Ford (and invoking the shades of Mike Harris to voters). Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 17:25, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Given the current state of affairs at city hall, I don't believe he'd be able to make any changes. The councillors have told the people quite clearly "You want it but you ain't gettin' it!". Sheppard debate is March 21. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 19:33, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

City council today voted in favour of LRT. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 02:16, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes The Eglinton Crosstown Line is under construction since late 2011. At this point only phase 1 is under construction. This phase 1 is only the underground 'subway' part of the line. There is still the possibility that the street level part of the LRT might be canceled again before construction on this part of the line begins. There is still time to change it. I doubt that construction on the second phase of the line will begin before the next municipal elections that will bring in a new city hall and possible change of mayor. I put this in the article at one time but it was reverted out as the other user reffered to it as a crystal ball. I put it in there because Rob Ford has not given up his fight to keep trains off of Eglinton avenue and he still has a chance to kill that part of the line. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Roverfan77 (talk • contribs) 18:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is why the article can only have information that is not speculative, since anything can happen. A future mayor can make any amendments to the line or can fill in the hole. Next time, please remember to sign your comment by typing ~~~~. This way, we would know who wrote it and when. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 01:42, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No merger, need a name change?

Just a question. Since April 2012, I believe that the merger is not happening. Shouldn't this article be renamed back to Eglinton Crosstown LRT? I can provide a few sources of this change.

http://stevemunro.ca/?p=6204 This site is from one of Toronto's transit critics, Steve Munro. He has been following the TTC's meetings and decisions, and critiques them on his website.

http://thecrosstown.ca/ This is the website for the Eglinton Crosstown LRT. It shows the new plan for Toronto's LRT system, with the map and description clearly stating the that Eglinton Crosstown will terminate at Kennedy Station. Zilong1217 (talk) 23:52, 25 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I support the name change. We need to request a move to Eglinton Crosstown line. Johnny Au _{(talk/contributions)} 01:44, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not to point out the obvious... but when you goto http://thecrosstown.ca/ and look in the upper left corner the logo still says "Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown" furthermore when you goto the map http://thecrosstown.ca/the-project/interactive-route-map and click on the line it pulls up a descriptor that says "Eglinton-Scarborough Crosstown" eja2k 03:34, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]