Talk:Right-to-work law

Misleading Title

Why are we using one side's rhetoric for the title? Isn't that letting them dictate the discussion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.28.188.56 (talk) 16:36, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

What would you suggest? Most news outlets refer to these as "right-to-work laws". Is there a truly neutral description of these laws? If so, we will still need redirects from "right-to-work law" for searching.--Lyonscc (talk) 19:08, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Even though the term is a classic Big Lie, nonetheless this is the term in common use in the English language, and to create a redirect just because it is a lie would be an NPOV violation.

I wasn't suggesting that we change it - I was just asking what he/she thought it should be named. And even whether or not it is a Big Lie could be debated, but the common term is "Right-to-Work Law", and absent a truly neutral and recognized term, the article title should probably stay as it currently is.--Lyonscc (talk) 12:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Request for clarification: "did not violate any of the employer's rules"

In the statement that an employee "could also be fired even if the employee did not violate any of the employer's rules.", which rules are the employer's and which one aren't? If the employer has agreed to a contract, then wouldn't that contract would be part of the employer's rules? For example, if a supplier's contract states that an employee can't disclose information that the supplier gave in confidence, and that employee discloses and is sacked, were they sacked because of the supplier's rules or the employer's? Also, are there states that impose limits on the contacts employers can make with suppliers and such, or does this sort of restriction only apply to labour relations? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.125.59.58 (talk) 17:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Good question. We need to be clear here on Taft-Hartley/right to work/union contract vs At-will employment. I think we may need a finer interpretation here in order to distinguish; indeed, if they are distinguishable. "At-will.." probably needs to mentioned in here, if only as an aside. Does anyone have an answer? Student7 (talk) 21:33, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

Dates?

I was just wondering when the states with RtW laws passed them (at least the years). JKeck (talk) 04:32, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Dubious reference(s)

I noticed this reference: Campbell, Simon. "Right-to-Work vs Forced Unionism" links to a site that does not seem very authoritative. The "company" that runs the site has only a president, no employees and appears to be the work of a parent whose children were affected by a teacher strike:(ref)Campbell, Simon. "About Us". Retrieved 14 November 2012.(endref)

Simon is a public school parent of three children in the Pennsbury school district, Bucks County. Simon's children were among the 11,500 children forced out of school during the 21-day Pennsbury teacher strike in November 2005. The average Pennsbury teacher salary at the time of the strike ranked #8 out of 501 school districts in Pennsylvania (top 2%).

My question is does this reference fall under the category of WP:BLOGS? If so, obviously it would need to be removed/replaced with an authoritative source. — Safety Cap (talk) 19:44, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the material! Which wasn't your question. It doesn't appear WP:RS. Certainly not "refereed"! Surely a more reliable source can be found which says essentially the same thing (if the article doesn't already do so) without the biased cartoons! Student7 (talk) 21:02, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Inaccurate wage comparisons for right to work/non right to work states

I must inform you that although your wage information (hourly/annual salary) MAY be accurate, the overall wage is NOT included in that finding.

I am a union carpenter with a wage of $29.41 in a NON right-to-work state. I have been through about 6 1/2 years of on and off-the-job training- most of which was paid for by my union and that has been funded by the dues that each member pays while working (instructors must earn a wage and training centers cost money to build and keep running). In ADDITION to my wage, I receive additional benefits to cover healthcare for my family and retirement benefits.

In states that are NOW right-to-work, the employees DO NOT have to pay union dues, but the unions are disappearing. Those employees are now making about $20/hour. They ALSO have to pay for their own insurance and 401k out of THEIR WAGES! This means their take-home pay is SIGNIFICANTLY lower.

Right-to-work is a scam. It means that your company or organization- government or not- is now seeing significant profits while the working class families are deceived into thinking they are making almost as much as before. There is a lot more to the wage on the check if benefits are not included or are in addition to salary. Non-union workers do not realize their families full potentials if they think they are doing better than the union workers who are getting "robbed" by paying dues. Trust me- we're not. I provide a very good life for my children.

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98.224.128.161 (talk) 21:28, 6 December 2012 (UTC)