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Philanthropy: LGBT support is given undue weight

Regarding Swift's philanthropy efforts, her LGBT support appears to be given undue weight by being given it's own section. For example, other separate sections show that she has pledged $4 million for the Arts, $250,000 for children's literacy, $100,000 for natural disaster relief, and $45,000 for childhood sickness. The LGBT shows no financial support at all other than participating in an anti-bullying campaign commercial related to the death of a homosexual teen. I do believe that the article should mention her support for anti-bullying of homosexual persons, but the emphasis shouldn't have greater weight than (for example) her support for Elton John's Aids cause which is listed in her "other" philathropy endeavors. Let me know if I'm missing something here that I may be overlooking. Thanks! Stylteralmaldo (talk) 06:07, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While I agree that we should be mindful of weight when dealing with this sort of material, after looking over that section, I do not think her LGBT support is being given undue weight. She has publicly spoken out against LGBT discrimination, filmed a PSA, been nominated for an activism award related to the subject, and been acknowledged as a part of this "new wave". I think, regardless of any financial consideration, she has been sufficiently involved in LGBT philanthropy to warrant the weight the article has given it. Chickenmonkey 06:29, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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122.59.230.143 (talk) 07:05, 24 December 2012 (UTC) it says taylor swift is in a relationship with harry styles THIS IS NOT TRUE. It has not been confirmed so please take it out. now.[reply]

Not done: Styles himself has confirmed the relationship in an interview with E! News. Regardless, People.com is recognized as a reliable source.Popeye191 (talk) 07:39, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Taylor Swift genre changes

People say that Taylor Swift is a pop singer. I dispute that. Statistically, almost all of her singles are country pop or country. On Wikipedia articles you can check. Out of her 4 albums, the ONLY singles that are listed as pop or otherwise on Wikipedia articles are "The Story Of Us" (from Speak Now) and "We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together" and "I Knew You Were Trouble." (both from Red.) Other songs on albums that aren't singles might have a pop sound, but most of her songs are classified as "country music". On her WP article, her genres are supposedly "pop, pop rock, country pop, country." I changed it to "country pop, pop, country, pop rock" because I feel it more accurately portrays her music/musical genres. What do you think? Should her genres be listed as more pop or more country? Kayp22 (talk) 07:48, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It does not really matter which order they are listed in, as long as the applicable genres are listed. Chickenmonkey 09:03, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think pop should come first. Every reputable review of her work says that she is now embracing her always-present pop tendencies and is using very few country music signifiers in her latest work. The only album which could be described entirely as "country" was her debut, and even that was decidedly country-pop. The genres used on her other wiki entries are irrelevant ; they're edited by fans. Can you provide any reviews by reputable sources which argue that her recent music is primarily country? I think you'll have a hard time... The dominant media narrative is that Red is the album where Taylor accepted her status as a popstar. Popeye191 (talk) 10:50, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Which genre we list first is almost entirely meaningless. Listing one genre before another will not cause the reader to think she is more one genre than the next, as long as all of the listed genres are accurate (i.e. as long as nobody tries to list a genre of which Taylor Swift is not a part). She is a pop star; she is a country star. Okay, we list the country and pop genres in any order, and the reader will understand that she is both a pop star and a country star; the body of the article will inform the reader of the path her career has taken and in which genre she most often fits. Chickenmonkey 20:56, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I personally think that genres should always go in ABC order, to keep conflicts like this from happening. It's neutral. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 21:00, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that would be a good way to keep these kinds of conflicts from happening. Chickenmonkey 21:11, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Alphabetical is most certainly the best way in my opinion. —AdabowtheSecond 21:51, 30 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

70 million song downloads worldwide?

Where did you get that? Taylor sold total of 50 million records as 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.105.177 (talk) 21:39, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed, with source. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:20, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source? Because 26 million albums and 75 million song downloads is what I keep reading http://www.bizjournals.com/prnewswire/press_releases/2012/11/19/CL16153 Popeye191 (talk) 22:32, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Press releases are not reliable sources, due to the fact that sales are normally inflated. Third-party sources are to be used. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:34, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a third party source: http://blog.gactv.com/blog/2012/11/23/taylor-swift-closes-in-on-three-million-copies-of-red-sold-worldwide/ The above source is outdated (before her fourth album was even released) and only measures US sales through Nielson Soundscan.Popeye191 (talk) 22:38, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with that source is that it is getting its information from the press release. Some sentences are even copy and pasted. Billboard is the most reliable source for album sales. They get their information on their own, and don't copy if from other websites. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:40, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Billboard said in that September that she had sold 22 million albums. Red was released since then. It went triple platinum in a month (certified by RIAA) - http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/SummerConcert/story?id=4747695 Since, then it has been selling 250,00 + copies per week http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/taylor-swift-s-red-album-rules-at-no-1-bruno-1008054832.story http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/taylor-swift-s-red-headed-for-seventh-week-1008062972.story And then there's international sales. The figure seems accurate to me? Popeye191 (talk) 22:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I never said that the figure wasn't accurate, it seems very much to be. But you need a reliable source (that's source isn't a press release from a record label) for it. You can't use a press release and add 2+2 for a source. It may be outdated, but that's what we got. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:53, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to make my own additions using lots of Billboard articles? Popeye191 (talk) 22:56, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you mean. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:57, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Billboard article from September said she sold 22 millions albums. So can I add up all the weekly Billboard chart updates since then myself and post one figure in the article (citing all my sources) Popeye191 (talk) 22:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, you can't do that. See WP:SYNTH. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 23:03, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Billboard will hopefully provide another summary soon then. Popeye191 (talk) 23:10, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Most likely. They usually do once a year. And after all the weeks of Red being number one and stuff, they are sure to do one very soon. Maybe around the time the Red Tour starts. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 23:11, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Personal Life

Seems like she is no longer dating Harry Styles. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2258623/Taylor-Swift-splits-Harry-Styles-almighty-row--heads-home-romantic-holiday.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490 58.6.100.34 (talk) 04:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]