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What evidence is there that proves that Mullins is an anti-Jewish?

I haven't seen any proof or evidence that says Mullins is anti-Semitic. Anti-Semite isn't even an accurate description since Semites are not only Jews, but Arabs. Why don't you just provide substantial and conclusive proof/evidence that Mullins is anti-Jewish? I know already he must be anti-Zionist, but that does not equate with anti-Jewry. Zionism is only political movement/state and Jewry is ethnicity/religion. Hey and I'm sure that there are Jews that hold the same views as he did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oscarmarin1995 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC) — Oscarmarin1995 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

What type of evidence would you consider indisputable proof of his Jew-hatred? For some examples, see my Mullins report: https://sites.google.com/site/ernie124102/mullins
The next edition of my Mullins report will reproduce copies of Mullins' personal correspondence and articles which reveals his extraordinary hatred and venom for Jews and anybody connected to Jews. More info: ernie1241@aol.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.106.44.189 (talk) 19:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let's Try This Again

From my perspective, this article reads like a character assassination, not an encyclopedia piece. There's shot-taking in the first sentence for crying out loud. Would you open an article on Bobby Fischer with "Bobby Fischer was a chess master and antisemite"? Would you open an article on Mel Gibson with "Mel Gibson is an actor and antisemite"? Besides being clearly NOT impartial, it sounds completely ridiculous and un-encyclopedic. The opening should tell us who the man was, where he came from, when he lived, and what his profession was. It shouldn't tell us what a certain subset of the population THINKS he was.

Unfortunately some individuals by the names "Galassi" and "Jpgordon" keep removing my criticisms from this page and trying to suppress free speech, telling me that "this page is not a forum". I suspect that the deletion of my posts has alot more to do with the nature of my criticms than my allegedly treating the talk page "like a forum". It seems some people on this website only want the world to see their version of the truth, without any interference from dissenting voices, even if those dissenting voices happen to have valid criticisms, which I believe I do. It appears I'm not the only one who has expressed this or similar sentiment on this talk page. Who knows? Maybe other criticisms have been put out there only to be erased by the likes of "Galassi" and "Jpgordon" AnAimlessRoad (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please review WP:NPA and WP:TPYES. Do not make further comments here about editors. Also, please note that Wikipedia is not a forum for "free speech". Jayjg (talk) 01:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Would you kindly point out where the alleged offensive remarks about other editors are in my post, and would you kindly point out where exactly I used the talk page like a "forum". I've consistently remained on the topic of the Eustace Mullins article and the censorship practices involving said article. I've indulged in no personal attacks, nor have I misused the talk page. Unless of course expressing a dissenting opinion means I'm using the page "like a forum" around these parts. If you have an issue with my criticisms, make your point instead of pretending that I'm somehow misusing this page in order to censor me. Thanks. AnAimlessRoad (talk) 08:38, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The entire paragraph starting with Unfortunately some individuals by the names "Galassi" and "Jpgordon" was about editors, not article content. Per WP:NPA and WP:TPYES, "Comment on content, not on the contributor." Jayjg (talk) 00:56, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well, inappropriate editing and censorship tactics need to be commented upon, else the problem will continue. However, I understand that you have a dog in this fight, and as I said before, it's quite clear that your retorts have more to do with the nature of my criticisms than any supposed violation of talk page rules.
The opening should read something like "Eustace Clarence Mullins, Jr. (March 9, 1923 – February 2, 2010) was a populist American political writer and biographer. His most famous work was The Secrets of The Federal Reserve. Along with Nesta Webster, he is generally regarded as one of the most influential authors in the genre of conspiracism. Some of his work has attracted controversy over what critics perceive as antisemitic content."
Less character assassination, more balance. AnAimlessRoad (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Your comment again started with a discussion of other editors, not article content. This is your final chance. Do not discuss anything but article content. Per WP:NPA and WP:TPYES, "Comment on content, not on the contributor." Jayjg (talk) 22:16, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Stay on topic. Allow me to reiterate:
The opening should read something like "Eustace Clarence Mullins, Jr. (March 9, 1923 – February 2, 2010) was a populist American political writer and biographer. His most famous work was The Secrets of The Federal Reserve. Along with Nesta Webster, he is generally regarded as one of the most influential authors in the genre of conspiracism. Some of his work has attracted controversy over what critics perceive as antisemitic content.". Less propaganda, more balance. Thanks for reading. AnAimlessRoad (talk) 17:12, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with that wording is it doesn't accurately reflect what the sources say. The sources I've seen just say he was an antisemite. Are there other reliable sources that say something different? Tom Harrison Talk 17:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And, more to the point, he is particularly known as a Jew-hater (as opposed to, say, Bobby Fischer, who is particularly known as a chess master, even though he hated Jews too.) --jpgordon::==( o ) 22:06, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Please consider the following information in your decision re: Mullins. Mullins wrote a letter-to-the-editor of the National States Rights Party newspaper (The Thunderbolt) in which he recommended membership in the NSRP.
The official policy of the NSRP calls for extermination of Jews. J.B. Stoner, the National Chairman and Legal Counsel of the NSRP, repeatedly stated that Hitler was too "moderate" re: Jews. In the 1940's, Stoner organized the Christian Anti-Jewish Party which proposed that being a Jew should be a crime punishable by death! This is the type of person and organization which Mullins repeatedly associated himself with and endorsed. Among the other Jew-haters he was employed by, or with whom he was closely associated were: Matt Koehl (American Nazi Party), H. Keith Thompson Jr. (who wrote a series of articles entitled, "Why I Am An American Fascist"), Max Nelsen (who described himself as a Hitler admirer and as a racist), James Madole (who led the first postwar neo-fascist organization in our country, the National Renaissance Party---and Mullins frequently spoke at their events). The next edition of my Mullins report will reproduce copies of documents which establish, beyond any possible dispute, that Eustace Mullins was a life-long racist and anti-semite and Jew-hater. 74.106.44.189 (talk) 19:15, 10 June 2012 (UTC)ernie1241[reply]
Totally agree with your comment. Accusations of antisemitism should be mentioned in the article, but the way they are highlighted is obviously a simple promotion the editor's agenda of character assassination. Was struck by this upon first reading and agree that it is contrary to the high standards that Wikipedia is capable of achieving. Tcolgan001 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:21, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm reading this guy's book "Secrets of the Fed Reserve" now and haven't come across any anti-Semitic commentary, not even remotely. The main thrust is about a "London Connection" who control the Fed in USA". I don't see any evidence of anti-semitism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.71.29.7 (talk) 00:31, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly, you have not read far enough. In that book Mullins charged (without a shred of credible evidence, of course) that the Fed was controlled by international Jewish bankers, whom he then went on to blame for virtually everything. Do a quick Google search -- you'll find dozens of blatantly antisemitic Mullins articles. One, for example, absolves the Nazis of the Holocaust and claims the Jews perpetrated it upon themselves!. (How or why they would do that is never convincingly argued.) You will also find records of Mullins' repeated appearances at Neo-Nazi rallies. If you're still not convinced, read The Biological Jew. DoctorJoeE talk to me! 01:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV - Neutrality of article now disputed.

This article is nearly entirely the subjective opinion of alf.laylah.wa.laylah, who uses spurious "sources" that are in nearly all cases, completely irrelevant and say nothing of the kind.

Please discuss here how we can fix this amicably without an edit war.

Wikipedia is not the place for subjetive rants, but rather objective, PROVABLE facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayeayeayeaye1111 (talk • contribs) 10:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Learn to read the history. I added nothing substantial to this article other than sources to stuff that was already in there. If you don't like the unsourced material, take it out and talk about it. If you don't like the sourced material, such as the fact that Mullins was an antisemite more than a "biohgrapher," you should talk about why it is you think that doesn't belong in the article. And really, I looked through the history, and the only thing I've ever added to this article besides sources for stuff that was already there was this and a category. — alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 11:12, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I can only echo what alf laylah wa laylah said: On Wikipedia, your opinion does not matter; my opinion does not matter; what matters is source material. If you have reliable source material that contradicts the reliable source material cited in the article, we're all eyes/ears. If all you have is your own opinion, find an antisemitic forum (there are plenty) and have at it there. DoctorJoeE talk to me! 14:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The very first sentence of his bio ostensibly ends with "and antisemite"? As if this were his life's work? By any standard this is defamation or libel. Talk about an amateurish Wiki hatchet job entry, this one takes the cake. Meh.

Mullins denies being an antisemite

I'm concerned about these two paragraphs:

In an interview in 1993 with Alexander Baron, Mr. Mullins disclaimed his past anti-Semitism. Question: Do you believe Jews are parasites? EM: "Parasites? No, as I say, this was a theme that I developed in 1968 in that one book. I've never referred to it again and in fact there is nothing about Jews in my last five books in the past twenty years simply because I moved into larger spheres, The World Order..." Source: http://www.infotextmanuscripts.org/eustace_mullins_1.html

In his Book Review of Eric Jon Phelps' Vatican Assassins, in The Spectrum from April 2002, Mullins wrote: "Although I am continuously denounced as “anti-Semitic” by Zionist terrorist groups working actively with the Jesuits and Freemasons, I have never failed to credit the inspiration of my book Murder By Injection, the only history of the American Medical Association, to three Jewish dissidents whom I was proud to call friends: Morris Bealle, founder of the Capitol Hill News Service, whose book Medical Mussolini, a biography of Morris Fishbein, head of the AMA for many years, and his sequel The Drug Trust, led me to research the CIA and Jesuit control of the worldwide drug conspiracy and its techniques of people control; Dr. Emanuel Goldenson, with whom I used to talk all night in his Manhattan mansion a few doors from Nelson Rockefeller’s residence; and Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, whose trenchant appearances on the nation’s leading talk-shows led to his untimely demise from a Washington “heart attack” as the only means of stopping him from educating the American people about the details of the medical conspiracy against them. These men were welcome allies in the crusade to bring The Truth to the American people, a crusade in which Brother Eric brings us all the vital information which we need to win this worldwide struggle. You will find his work a necessary tool in furthering your own understanding, and in our survival." Source: http://www.fourwinds10.net/siterun_data/spectrum/volume3/S0310.PDF

I have no objection to quoting Mullins on his lack of antisemitism, but I would like to see them written in a more encyclopedic, relevant, and wikified manner. These two paragraphs are overlong, filled with irrelevancies, and not written according to the usual standards of WP.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 20:17, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree -- not only is The Spectrum the furthest thing from a reliable source, but "some of my best friends are Jews" is the furthest thing from a plausible denial. DoctorJoeE talk to me! 21:40, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"Some of my best friends are Jewish dissidents" is a new twist on it, though. I'm at 3RR for today, but perhaps will rewrite them tomorrow if no one else cares to take a stab at it.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 21:43, 9 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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