Talk:List of national monuments of the United States

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Proposed "Prehistoric Trackways"

Prehistoric Trackways National Monument has been proposed by both of New Mexico's senators (S.3599). It would stay under BLM. [1] — Eoghanacht ^talk 15:40, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Rushmore

Shouldn't Mt. Rushmore be listed here?

No, it is not a National Monument, it is a National Memorial. --Holderca1^talk 15:29, 18 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

turned list into a table for this article

your comments, edits and suggestions for improvements welcome, it took a while to built. dm (talk) 07:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

why the rename to lower case?

I would have expected a talk message before a bold rename... dm (talk) 22:34, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Radiojon's rename was a bit bold, and i have reverted it. "National Monument" is a proper noun phrase, and in my view it is the appropriate usage for this article about official National Monuments of the United States. Radiojon's edits did add value particularly by adding table rows for the 3 new NMs, but the edits also made questionable changes without discussion, so I went ahead and reverted and then restored the new table rows. Thanks Radiojon! Hopefully we can further discuss here as needed. doncram (talk) 00:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On that note, shouldn't the reference to national monuments in the first sentence be capitalized too? I could argue either way and am not sure. ~ ωαdεstεr16_{♣kiss me}^{i'm Irish♣} 03:19, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ordering of peoples names

In the NHL articles such as List of National Historic Landmarks in New York City, names are sorted by last name rather than a pure alphabetical sort as done here. I dont really care which, I'm just curious if anyone else feels they should be the same. dm (talk) 12:13, 10 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean to sort Booker T. Washington as Washington, Booker T.? I disagree with that. If alphabetizing the name of the person then sure, but the name of the monument is Booker T. Washington National Monument. Reywas92^Talk 01:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not suggesting changing the name, but merely its spot in the list. Take a look at the NHL in NYC for Hamilton Fish's house for an example... dm (talk) 02:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's not right for this list, and I would consider it wrong for the NHL list. At least these official sources list them by monument name, regardless of personal name: [2] [3]. Reywas92^Talk 21:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I commented in the current FLC discussion about this subject. While i understand where dm is coming from (working on NHL and NRHP lists, where using lastname order seems to be better), I am okay with deferring to Reywas92's judgment / preference here where there are relatively few person names in the list. doncram (talk) 18:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the ordering of this list is from when I put it into the table form back in September. I'm fine with leaving it alone, it's just something I noticed. dm (talk) 18:34, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good then. I do believe in standardization, but NMs are separate from NHLs, so they do no need to be the same. Reywas92^Talk 02:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How many, which are NRHP-listed

It would help the article to say how many of the National Monuments are historic sites listed on the NRHP and perhaps also NHL-designated, like the African Burial Ground one is. Towards establishing that, I started a listing of those at Talk:List of National Monuments of the United States/NRHPs. doncram (talk) 18:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I believe all NMs (or maybe it's just NPS areas) are automatically NRHPs. I don't know how many are NHLs; if we can find a good number it can be mentioned, though that isn't exactly the most relevant thing here. Reywas92^Talk 02:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ooh, not the case. Not all NMs, not all NPS areas, are NRHP-listed, only the ones that meet the specific historic criteria for the NRHP program. I am thinking the count of NRHP-listed ones provides a factual way to add a statement about how many are listed for historical reasons, comparable to the statement "Fifty-four national monuments protect places of natural significance...". Watch the linked subpage listing, we can sort this out there. Mildly confusing perhaps is that some NMs contain individual buildings or sets of NPS structures that are NRHP-listed, while the NM is not. doncram (talk) 03:36, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then. I have no problem with a few sentences about NRHPs/NHLs in the list, but that isn't directly relevant to NMs. I'm not as interested in NRHPs as you are, so I invite you to add what you like. Reywas92^Talk 18:50, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dont forget to improve the underlying articles

I'm as guilty of this as anyone, but as I go through the underlying articles, I'm noticing that many of the pictures have not made their way back to the monument articles themselves. dm (talk) 18:36, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Of course! Many individual NM articles are not very good, but there's too many! I could do a little, though I've actually been to only 2 of the 100. Reywas92^Talk 02:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another problem for the underlying articles is that many use the Protected areas infobox from when there was less understanding of what Protected areas mean, exactly, and wp:NRHP did not yet exist. Some include composed IUCN categories that are simply wrong guesses. Perhaps we could get others help for a cleanup drive on these, replacing the PAREAS infobox by the NRHP infobox for the non-natural sites? doncram (talk) 03:39, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've fixed the first 7 articles (at least I think its the first 7 since the numbers are gone). I'll keep going if one of you start at the end... dm (talk) 01:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

table by agency

Relating to my comments in the FLC, I'm trying some alternative ways to set up the table by agency at Talk:List of National Monuments of the United States/AgencyTable. doncram (talk) 19:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think version 3 there is potentially better, tho it needs some cleanup. doncram (talk) 19:37, 14 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that they are a little clearer. I'll take a better look soon. Reywas92^Talk 02:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Number of NPS Monuments

On the National Park Service discussion, there was a question to the number of NPS monuments. I've changed this to reflect the number published by the NPS. It also happens to be the number of sites listed in the main article. That's 74, not 75 as originally noted. Chris Light (talk) 21:08, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was a simple oversight. When then latest proclamation, Fort Ord National Monument, was added in April 2012, the total number was not counted up. rgds --h-stt !? 12:08, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Should this be semi-protected?

I feel this page should be semi-protected to avoid the addition of memorials, national parks, etc. Tkbx (talk) 16:26, 24 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

5 New NM's

There are 5 new NM's, 3 of which are NPS: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/03/25/president-obama-designates-five-new-national-monuments. Does anyone have relevant photos? Nationalparks (talk) 20:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]