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Your tag for deletion

I have no idea why you tagged a five year old photo for deletion -- File:Deborah Gordon.jpg, but I resent the work you just made me go through finding the email permitting me to upload it, and forwarding a private email which I had to redact first of irrelevant and private information.

If a user uploads a photo and asserts that he or she has permission to do so, as I did, Wikipedia is not liable - the user is. So I did not have to present "proof" that I had permission to upload it; I only had to assert that permission and put myself in harm's way if it turned out I didn't. Since obviously no one has objected in five years, I think you are being overly intrusive.

I have forwarded the email from the photo's owner that gave me permission to upload it, as requested. But this is the sort of thing that disenchants me with Wikipedia. I have contributed cash to the Foundation. I won't be doing so again. Nice job. Nightspore (talk) 11:23, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

-Yeah, thanks for interacting. I am removing your deletion notice, since both I and the copyright holder have sent appropriate emails, with nary a response. Nightspore (talk) 19:36, 17 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Some smile

Hello Kelly, Eduemoni ^↑talk↓ has given you a shining smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shining Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Eduemoni ^↑talk↓ 04:31, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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File permission problem with File:Echoetc.jpg

Thanks for uploading File:Echoetc.jpg. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file has agreed to release it under the given license.

If you created this media entirely yourself but have previously published it elsewhere (especially online), please either

make a note permitting reuse under the CC-BY-SA or another acceptable free license (see this list) at the site of the original publication; or
Send an email from an address associated with the original publication to permissions-en@wikimedia.org, stating your ownership of the material and your intention to publish it under a free license. You can find a sample permission letter here. If you take this step, add {{OTRS pending}} to the file description page to prevent premature deletion.

If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the file to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org.

If you believe the media meets the criteria at Wikipedia:Non-free content, use a tag such as {{non-free fair use}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:File copyright tags#Fair use, and add a rationale justifying the file's use on the article or articles where it is included. See Wikipedia:File copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have provided evidence that their copyright owners have agreed to license their works under the tags you supplied, too. You can find a list of files you have created in your upload log. Files lacking evidence of permission may be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. You may wish to read the Wikipedia's image use policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Kelly ^hi! 04:30, 13 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

- Re: message above: Thanks for ruining a featured article Kelly dear. Do you not think that this picture has been checked, and re-checked, before being used on the page???? This type of pedantic rubbish is the reason I no longer write for Wikipedia - way too many self-important know-it-alls who actually know next to nothing. Myosotis Scorpioides 12:51, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

---She'll ignore you the way she ignored me, and in the meantime other know-it-alls will give her badges for being such a trouper. Nightspore (talk) 12:12, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Steak Sauce

Thank you for the rationale request for File:Steak Sauce.jpg, however while my name is given as the uploader, I honestly do not recall taking or creating such an image and uploading it. I keep all my uploads in a file and cannot find this one. Please follow protocol and delete. Thanks Phil aka Geotek (talk) 23:40, 27 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

tagging of images

Isn't it legal for someone to upload a picture they took themselves of a product, for use in that product's article? Dream Focus 22:02, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is - but they would need to add a {{non-free use rationale}}. Kelly ^hi! 22:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Those you tagged have such information, just are years older than the current template is. File:Box_of_tigers_milk_bars.jpg for example. And I know that particular editor isn't around anymore. Instead of just going around tagging things, you need to read the information already provided. Otherwise you'll just be tagging thousands of old image files that meet the requirements for inclusion just fine. Dream Focus 09:29, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto with my photograph you tagged File:DuluxTin.jpg, which I took solely to be used in the companies article. i.e. It fits your interpretation of the criteria for inclusion. I gave up editing years ago as I become disillusioned with the whole project. To be honest, I do not give an arse if the picture gets deleted. I am certainly not coming out of retirement to waste my time updating templates just because someone decided to introduce some new wording. MortimerCat (talk) 15:00, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry that you all are unhappy with the policy. Kelly ^hi! 15:03, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The policy is not to rampage around tagging everything for deletion without bothering to read the fair usage information already on the image page. It has clear justification for being there already. Dream Focus 19:17, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rampage? Kelly ^hi! 20:05, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The policy is at WP:NFCCE: "Note that it is the duty of users seeking to include or retain content to provide a valid rationale; those seeking to remove or delete it for non-compliance with criterion 10c are not required to show that one cannot be created—see burden of proof." The image File:DuluxTin.jpg currently violates WP:NFCC#10c, although I agree that it would be very easy to correct this by simply adding a fair use rationale. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:39, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It has valid rational already there, just not in the proper area and format. You look at it and it says in the comment station that the person who uploaded it took the picture themselves and gives the rights for people to use it. Dream Focus 10:47, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

However, the photo is a derivative work of the copyrighted product packaging, and the uploader cannot give away rights for that. Kelly ^hi! 17:33, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The image of a product does qualify under fair usage laws regardless. No copyright law was violated. You aren't helping the encyclopedia by deleting images used in articles. Instead of tagging them for deletion, you could have just copy and pasted the same pointless rational to all of them. Dream Focus 19:39, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

However, the non-free content criteria are more restrictive than fair use law. In particular, WP:NFCC#10c says that a fair use file has to have a fair use rationale if you wish to use it on Wikipedia, and Kelly just pointed out that the file currently violates that requirement. Unless the file is fixed to satisfy that requirement, it is not permitted on Wikipedia. Of course, anyone is free to write a fair use rationale for it. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:56, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I apologise for Shooting the messenger, which was the very reason I gave up editing! MortimerCat (talk) 10:05, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, no problem. Kelly ^hi! 17:33, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

File:Doorwarning-seoulsubway.jpg

I notice other disgruntled users on your page. You seem to be going around tagging things that aren't needed? This is just an emergency exit sign. I don't think that emergency exit signs can't be taken pictures of? I will assume this was just your rampage for now and remove your tag. If you'd like to discuss it, let me know. Cheers, Nesnad (talk) 07:32, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry - since you are not the copyright holder of the sign, the photo is a derivative work and you will need to add a license for the depicted emergency exit sign, which is likely copyrighted. Kelly ^hi! 13:26, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Pics you've tagged

Are photos I took myself. Is that no longer good enough? BillyTFried (talk) 19:49, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]