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What makes a "World Heavyweight Championship"

We need to have a clear consensus on what criteria we use for deciding if a major promotion's main championship can be considered as a World Title.

I have on numerous occasions tried to clean up the World heavyweight championship (professional wrestling) article, but it keeps getting reverted due to other editors claiming that some Japanese promotions never call their titles "World titles".

Yeah, they call them "Sekai titles". Hope that helps. RadioKAOS  – Talk to me, Billy 01:41, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I feel this is because some people are too hung up on the actual words "World Heavyweight Championship", and not taking into account that all promotions consider their top title as THE biggest in the industry, and it shouldn't be up to one's individual taste as to whether consider it a World title.

Such factors as a promotion's history, legacy and prominence should be considered.

No promotion will ever come out and say that their top championship isn't World Championship caliber...I would just to see a clear concensus as to what we as editors can and can't count as such, and whatever the consensus is is what we'll live with.

My $0.02... promotions such as NJPW, AJPW, and NOAH in Japan should count as World Championship level due to their history in the country. Japan has a very rich tradition in puroresu, and wrestling there may even be bigger than it is here in America. The same goes for AAA and CMLL in Mexico, which has it's own rich wrestling history in lucha libre. It almost looks as if some folks want only the major American based promotions to count as World titles, and as the citation in the article says itself, that viewpoint doesn't hold a world view. Vjmlhds 01:23, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You'll find all the world championships (and world champions) here: User:Feedback/List of professional wrestling world heavyweight champions. Feedback ☎ 02:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The way I see it, if it's a major promotion's top title and has been defended abroad, it's a world title. It doesn't need to have the word "world" in its name, and if it does, it still needs to meet the other three criteria. But yeah, this is one of those arguments that will likely go on forever. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:20, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
What do we do about the WCWA World Heavyweight Championship? The title was originally called the "NWA American Heavyweight Championship" and was made very clear that it was a regional title and inferior to the NWA World title. However, once the company split from the NWA, it was rechristened a World title. Chris Adams who held it 4 times when it was a regional title and once as a World title was called a "5-time World Champion" by the company. They basically rewrote history and called everyone who held the title a World Champion. So do we call them World Champions? I don't know if I should include, say, Mike Von Erich, on my list of World Champions when he only held the title during its "American Heavyweight" days. I think this is a tough conundrum. Feedback ☎ 04:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, only those who won it after it became a world title (Fujinami won it in Japan) should be considered "World Champions". InedibleHulk (talk) 05:42, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Or...say that I'm the "world heavyweight champion of Parma", and I travel to Don Mills to defend my title. Does that now make me a legit world champion? After all, I've defended my title internationally. RadioKAOS  – Talk to me, Billy 05:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is your Parma Wrestling Federation a major promotion? If not, it fails the first criterion. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:42, March 25, 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia editors have absolutely no business determining what makes a title a "world title," since any decision would be simply point of view. GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We're not determining it ourselves. We are simply
...brainstorming? (I only wrote this second line, by the way)InedibleHulk (talk) 08:01, March 25, 2013 (UTC)
Going back throught the archives as to the criteria used (A - must have "World" or a synonymous word in the title; B - defended in at least 2 countries; C - considered the top title in the promotion), then some of the titles that should be in meet the criteria. The AAA and CMLL World Heavyweight titles fit all 3 criteria - they have World in the title, they've been defended outside Mexico (AAA holds events in the SW U.S., CMLL has held shows in the U.S. and in Japan), and are the top titles in the promotion. The IWGP titles fit, as the "I" in IWGP stands for International (Wrestling Grand Prix), they've been defended in the U.S. (New Japan has held shows in the U.S., and they've been defended on PPV on TNA shows), and they are the top titles in the company. Regarding AJPW, they call their tag team titles the AJPW Unified World Tag Team Championship. In NOAH, they refer to their titles as the GHC Heavyweight and GHC Tag Team Championships - the "G" standing for Global (Honored Crown) So AAA, CMLL, and IWGP meet all 3 criteria, while AJPW and NOAH meet at minimum 2. Vjmlhds 21:58, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
in that case, czw also enter in the definition, because it was defended in germany and japan. Also pwg, was defended in germany, france and england. One more question, by World Heavyweight Champion? I think thats better world champion. For example, WWE says that ric flair is 16 times world champion, no world heavyweight champion.--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, the world titles are all at User:Feedback/List of professional wrestling world heavyweight champions. The only ones that are missing are the aforementioned WCCW title which confuses me due to its lineage as a non-World Championship, the WWC Championship that has gone like 30 times to the same guys, and both the PWG and the CZW Championship which frankly I know very little about. If anyone knows about any others who could make the list, let me know. Feedback ☎ 03:59, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Other than watching occasional footage, I'm not that famililar with modern-day puroresu. "Back in the day", local "governing bodies" (IWGP, PWF) were clearly intended as subservient to the American "governing bodies" (AWA, NWA, WWF). Wrestling on television was miles ahead of its American counterpart, but their weekly television show covered a promotion which did not run a 52-weeks-per-year schedule like American promotions did. To cover breaks between tours, Inoki and Fujinami and Sayama, or Baba and Tsuruta were regularly appearing abroad, with Japanese-based titles being defended throughout Mexico and the United States. New Japan stars also appeared in Canada, due to their association with Stu Hart. Asahi TV or Nippon TV were literally throwing money at promoters for the rights to air footage from these shows. Believe it or not, there were promoters who were uninterested in the money, taking issue with featuring wrestlers on a major show who weren't being regularly featured in their booking programs. So yeah, All Japan has a long history of their titles being defended outside Japan, including components of what became the Triple Crown. OTOH, did Stampede ever call their top title a world title? After all, they ran the occasional show in Montana, which is a real-life example of my earlier comment (which was intended to be somewhat absurd; obviously, "crossing the pond" normally refers to the Atlantic Ocean, not Lake Erie). As for why "world heavyweight champion" versus "world champion"? If we are taking a world view here, there are likely world champions in other weight classes who later became heavyweight champions (obviously Fujinami, probably also Rey Misterio, though it's likely that examples proliferate throughout lucha). To have to include those also would just cloud the issue further. RadioKAOS  – Talk to me, Billy 21:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What I don't understand is why the article has a section for "Examples of other extant world championships" under "Active world championships". Is there some difference between extant and active? Why is one a list of championships and one a list of "examples" of championships, and in two different formats? The one external link lists the Mexican titles along with the American ones, but we split them. What's up? InedibleHulk (talk) 04:25, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

No rationale for the separation. I've begun merging the two lists. McPhail (talk) 18:15, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

AFDs Update

The following AFDs resulted in the deletion of all articles involved:

The following AFD resulted in ta keep for all articles involved:

Due to an IP removing the AFD tag on The Chickbusters article, the closer decided to not delete Chickbusters and recommended a re-nomination at AFD. I have done so here:

The following AFDs are still ongoing and we would appreciate as much input from the community as possible:

Thank you. Voice your opinions before a consensus is reached without your input! Feedback ☎ 04:43, 26 March 2013 (UTC) [reply]

Indeed, everybody should get involved. That is, if you agree with deleting them. Otherwise, you'll get argumentative responses from people who refuse to tolerate any differing opinions. It's a barrel of laughs. So, if you agree with the nominators or are looking for an argument, come on down...Gee, why aren't more people getting involved? GaryColemanFan (talk) 02:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? You do realize what AFD is, right? "Argumentative responses" is pretty much the whole point of AFD. Feedback ☎ 21:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Longer-term, would it be worth having articles such as List of minor professional wrestlers and List of minor tag teams for wrestlers who have a degree of notability but don't warrant their own article? This would help contain WP:CRUFT. McPhail (talk) 14:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Vandal Watch: User talk:Nheques

This guy has been editing the WWE championship articles removing the sortable functions from the tables. I'm in the process of rollbacking most of his edits and I will be posting a notification on his talkpage. I'll update if he reverts anything so someone could get an admin to block him. Feedback ☎ 22:06, 26 March 2013 (UTC) [reply]

After about 20 minutes, I think I got them all. I posted a message on his talk page. My tone might not have been the best, but WP:BITE is really hard to follow when he goes ahead and removes content from every single WWE and FCW championship page. It's not like I enjoyed reverting vandalism for 20 straight minutes. Anyway, I told him to post here if he had any questions. Let's hope he goes that route instead of disrupting the pages again. Feedback ☎ 22:29, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it was his intent to vandalize the pages. When I looked at his work, he was just trying to streamline the list of reigns. I think we need to actually look for a consensus and a way to streamline and sort the reigns at the same time. Keith Okamoto (talk) 22:41, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean by streamline? They look great. How more organized can they get? Feedback ☎ 22:47, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What he was doing was removing the vacated spots due to them not counting as official reigns. He was making notes to replace the removed vacant spots. Keith Okamoto (talk) 23:00, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There is no need to sacrifice the sortable function of the table for him to do that. I'm assuming he was trying to make it more like WWE's website histories, but that isn't how it's done here. In fact, common sense should have kicked in at some moment during his 1-month tirade of editing for him to realize "wait a second, there must be a reason why the tables are like this!". Feedback ☎ 23:21, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I guess he didn't know since he appears to be new here on Wikipedia. Keith Okamoto (talk) 23:28, 26 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I noticed this, and noted that I sort of agreed with him here. If anybody feels like reading that and weighing in on the table thing, there you go. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:38, March 28, 2013 (UTC)

Image deletion

See: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:WWF_Undisputed_Championship.jpg#File:WWF_Undisputed_Championship.jpg for details.--Canoe1967 (talk) 10:21, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Same issue two sections below. Discuss there.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WrestleMania XX issues... Help?

I keep having a user with an IP of 41.254.5.246 who [keeps adding a section] in the WrestleMania XX article (specifically in the "Aftermath" section) that is completely unrelated to WrestleMania XX. I've warned him and reverted his edits 2 times. I'm concerned it will be a repeat offender and was wondering if some of you would also keep an eye on him and flag him if he continues the activities. Let me know what you think about his edits. Thanks! srsrox BlahBlahBlah... 14:23, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Will keep an eye on it. I'm not even sure what the hell he's trying to add (other than the Rock's return, obviously. I just don't know why...). – Richard BB 14:37, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, EXACTLY my thoughts. Very odd. Anyways, thanks. srsrox BlahBlahBlah... 13:53, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

VERY URGENT MATTER

commons:User:Stefan4 has decided to individually request the deletion of plenty of title belts on Commons, but this discussion has to take place on one page. He has nominated another one of my uploads for deletion (Commons:Deletion requests/File:Real WWE United States Championship.jpg) so I have decided to bring up the fact that instead of doing these individually so he can delete them one by one, we should be discussing a mass deletion request. If this is successful, every single one of our title belts will be deleted. So please, voice your opinions. Feedback ☎ 17:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC) [reply]

See: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Copyright#FOP.3F Trophies are copyright of the sculptor and need permission to photograph in many countries. Mexico is one of the few that allow FOP on temporary displays, I think. See: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:FOP for country laws. I have emailed WWE corporate for permission and possibly official images.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:47, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I have emailed them as well. A couple of times. I've also left them messages. They don't ever respond because they don't care enough to give us permission or to send us a copyright claim. I would like to believe we would take down all these images if WWE ever sends us a copyright claim, but as of now, it's not like we haven't TRIED to get their attention.
Also, I'd like to point out that I uploaded a lot of these pictures on Wikipedia and they were moved to Commons by a bot. I think we should just move all WWE-related pictures to the home Wikipedia projects of their uploaders so each project can decide what to do regarding the copyrights, the derivate works dilemma and fair use rationale. Feedback ☎ 20:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You may wish to User talk:Jimbo Wales and see if he is willing to explain it to them officially. The WWE can benefit vastly from allowing the images here. Mr. Wales may not contact them himself but he may have a friend that can or give some good advice.--Canoe1967 (talk) 20:43, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, after someone deleted File:Real WWE Championship.jpg, I reuploaded it under fair use here File:WWE Championship (2010).jpg. But the original deleter has gotten a bit obsessive and It's now up for deletion here. Feedback ☎ 18:10, 29 March 2013 (UTC) [reply]

I had an idea last night that may fly. We could include 'protest images' in some or all of the WWE articles. A big black square with text like: "The subject of this article is being selfish, ignorant, and not helping the projects in regards to their articles." This could be a smaller version of the WMF SOPA blackout. If this project seeks consensus to protest with article images then the rest of the en:wp may agree and allow it. If a notable wrestler like Hulk Hogan were to have a protest image in his main infobox then others including the subjects themselves may take notice. There is a movement to change the FOP laws in the USA and many editors from the WMF projects are helping. A few sculptors, artists, photographers, and others have sent 'blanket licenses' through OTRS to allow images of their works here. I see no reason why the WWE can't respond to email and at least provide a license for photos of their belts.--Canoe1967 (talk) 18:55, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Probably a violation of WP:POINT. --Jtalledo (talk) 19:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention that SOPA being passed would have been a much bigger issue, not just for Wikipedia but Internet as a whole that a lack of pictures of the WWE Championship belts. I think we should have them but I doubt that we would get much support if we try to associate this with SOPA.--64.229.164.74 (talk) 20:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If so, then WMF are very guilty of WP:POINT when they did the blackout. Feedback ☎ 20:28, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, Feedback, that's actually true - which was why I voted against the blackout. Heh. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
All good points. I think we would need a strong consensus from one WikiProject to get approval from others. A statue/art project may be the best to start it with unless this project wants to take it on. I made a lame sample image already. File:Protest info image draft.png.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:03, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Where would we go when we clicked here? InedibleHulk (talk) 23:03, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

Any rule about sticking a text link to an offsite picture where the picture would normally go? It wouldn't look as good or be as convenient, of course, and it seems like the quitter's way, but it would give readers who want to know what the belt looks like something. Just throwing it out there. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:35, March 29, 2013 (UTC)

We can't link to a site with copyvio images. That would leave the only link to the WWE site on the belt. This would also defeat the purpose of any protest. Freedom of panorama is a big issue in the USA with Wikipedia photographers at commons and other projects. It may not be as big as SOPA but any politicians seeking votes would gain more from photographers and wikipedia users than any they may lose from sculptors. With The Little Mermaid (statue) the family of the dead guy makes lots of money suing people for images of it. If we can start a protest on en:wp to change the law in the US then other countries may do it to gain votes the same way. Most politicians don't care but if they see all the fuss we may kick up it may become a bigger issue to them.--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, defeating the purpose of protest was what I meant by "quitter's way". If you're set on protesting, I won't get in your way, but I personally don't think it's worth the trouble. You have my moral support, though! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:00, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. That is all we need to really to get consensus. I am amazed that a country like the USA that prides itself on freedom chokes on images of 3D statues etc. The sculptors wouldn't lose anything by allowing images of them. I assume they would still have legal rights regarding clones/copies of them though. 2D art photos should remain as protected because they would lose out from cheap knock-offs.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:11, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of public domain images of the belts being worn/held by wrestlers. We don't need to have a close-up studio photograph of every belt. McPhail (talk) 14:48, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you use them in articles where text refers to the belt then they may not qualify as http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:De_minimis File:Oscar statuette.jpg could technically be deleted here for the same reasons. The rationale is 'no free replacement possible' is untrue if we can easily find an Oscar image taken with Freedom of panorama or email the Academy for permission and/or an official photo with a free licence. See: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Ernest_Borgnine-oscar.jpg --Canoe1967 (talk) 15:00, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Stop the signature move madness?

I've noticed (and think I've brought it up before) a lot of "Signature Moves" are being backed by by match reports, like this. Monkey flip? Hurricanrana? The only thing these sources say is that someone once used the move (usually in recent matches), not that they're signature moves. They're also a lot of text. We should stick to profiles and such that specifically list "trademark", "signature" or "favourite" moves. If anyone feels like helping correct the problem, that'd be nice. InedibleHulk (talk) 14:20, March 30, 2013 (UTC)

Strongly support this McPhail (talk) 17:45, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hell yeah. My question is, do we have some page where I can see a section call "Signature moves"? I every bio I see finishing moves, but no signature. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:03, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Create: Unique wrestling moves? Include histories and decriptions etc?--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:12, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure I understand the question, HHH. Onlineworldofwrestling, WrestlingData and Cagematch all have signature move lists in bios, if that's what you mean. Others, too, I'm sure. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:11, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
Cool. That's what I want to know. A better way to find signature moves. Thanks. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 00:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
When did Cagematch and Wrestlingdata become good sources?Ribbon Salminen (talk) 14:56, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, since when did Cagematch and Wrestlingdata become good sources? Even OWOW isn't listed as reliable. Sources like PWInsider and PWTorch are both reliable. A wrestler using the move on frequently on multiple occasions is equivalent to that of a signature move listed on a website; I was told this when I first joined up. I understand the deal with there being a lot of text, which there is, but websites like OWOW are not up-to-date where movesets are concerned whereas PWInsider, PWTorch, etc. provide weekly match reports with instances of wrestlers using these moves. A better, reliable way to find signature moves would definitely be more practical, but are there any? Rockyrock632 (talk) 16:48, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
They're in the "not yet proven" list in our MoS, but are pretty widely used here already (in German and English). Sort of de facto good sources. But yeah, this signature practice is also widespread, and that's wrong. I haven't seen anything suggest these sites aren't reliable, though. We may not know their fact-checking process, but WrestlingData/GenickBruch seems solid to me. OWW, on the other hand, is still rife with typos. These aren't so bad with words, where you can tell what they meant, but for numbers and dates, it can get pretty bad. Ivan Putski's profile, for instance, has him winning the NWA American Tag Title in 1970, from a team that won the title in 1973. And they list his partner as Ivan Putski. A little off-topic, but worth mentioning. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:03, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
As for taking 2-3 match reports saying Cena used a monkey flip, and coming to the conclusion that it makes it a signature move, that's synthesis. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:06, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
Those sites look decent, but they all list the Sharpshooter as Rock's finisher, which is inaccurate. So, what do you guys suggest we do? Do we remove all the match report references and replace them with ones like OWOW even though those sites don't contain a more detailed list of moves like the current versions of the Wikipedia articles? Rockyrock632 (talk) 19:58, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I remember The Rock finishing a few people with it, but details are fuzzy. He hasn't for a while, I think. I know you already know my answer, but I
  • Support using sources that explicitly refer to the move as a signature/trademark/favourite. We may never know for sure just how some sites go about fact-checking, but it beats the synthesis option. Verifiability is key, not absolute truth. Keep in mind, with option B, there'd be nothing stopping someone from adding clothesline, hiptoss, punch and Irish whip to every signature move list. InedibleHulk (talk) 21:10, March 31, 2013 (UTC)
    • I agree that this is the way to go. If we use previous opinion we risk several things. First, there could be an issue of moves often being used by a wrestler but are in fact quite common, such a a suplex etc. Second, there could be a case where a wrestler uses a move they don't normally use in an important match in an attempt to catch the opponent off guard. For example, John Cena used a Hurricanrana against CM Punk it their last match, and I think its safe to say that should not count as a signature move.--64.229.164.74 (talk) 01:27, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Possible AFD?

Does this seem notable to you? It seems like cruft to be honest. Feedback ☎ 07:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC) [reply]

Well played sir! McPhail (talk) 14:00, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It's one of 16 Top-Importance articles for the project. A question like this doesn't need to be asked. GaryColemanFan (talk) 19:59, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
see April Fools' Day. Frietjes (talk) 20:29, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
With the way things are going around here lately, it was only natural to take a comment like this seriously. But I see what you did there (at least, I do now). GaryColemanFan (talk) 05:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Wrights Promotion New European Championship Wrestling

As Alex Wright is one of the most Important and most influenting european Wrestlers of all time and his promotion is growing really well i did ask my self if its important enough to start a article about it. Any opinions on that? --Nakurio (talk) 10:37, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That first part must be a joke, but if you're serious about creating the article, I think it seems like it would stand a chance, just going by a quick Googling. Gather sources before writing it, then ask yourself if they're reliable and independent, and if they really do show notability. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:01, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL--Canoe1967 (talk) 23:14, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
k i guess i keep an eye on the progress and start the article in my sandbox and then suggest it here in the Project when i´m done.--Nakurio (talk) 17:23, 2 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving changed to 14 days

I want to try this out unless there is some objection. A lot of threads keep getting archived without much response. The project isn't as active as yesteryears so I think changing the archiving time to 2 weeks might be better for all discussions on this page. If I'm wrong and the page gets too cluttered, we can change it back, but I think this is the right call for now. Feedback ☎ 15:30, 1 April 2013 (UTC) [reply]

AFD

Here is a list with the current AFD about wrestling. Please, comment about this. I prefer that the people of the Wikiproject say who is notable and who isn't, better than people who don't know about it and only says "he make srpot, he is notable".--HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:14, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

*Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ShoMiz ‎

April Fools?

I noticed someone removed "fictitious" from the first IC title tournament in Rio. Surprisingly, s/he had a source saying the card had been discovered. After 33 years, someone just happened across it today, of all days. Should we take this seriously? InedibleHulk (talk) 22:23, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

Nevermind, just finished reading. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:26, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
Any case, can we add the tournament to the ficticious history of the title? --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 22:41, 1 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, because even in the fictional WWE universe, the brackets didn't exist. But I guess we could note that WWE made a joke saying they did. Seems a bit trivial, but I don't mind trivia as much as some people. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:50, April 1, 2013 (UTC)

A few proposals

A few ideas on things we should try to fix and/or criminalize:

  • Mentioning where/when/how matches are announced, after the fact. I see this a lot. "On the January 1 episode of Wrestling, GM announced that Babyface would face Heel in a Stipulation Match at PPV. At PPV, Babyface defeated Heel." Does anyone really care about the match announcement, in hindsight? Or is just a lot of words?
To be clear, I think this should go for all announcements of things that have happened, not just matches. But while they're still in the future, I have no problem. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:01, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
  • Saying "episode of" I think simply "The March 17 RAW" would work. Not so wordy, one-by-one, but they add up over an article.
  • Calling a PPV "The WWE's SummerSlam PPV event" SummerSlam works fine, I think.

Thoughts? Fit them under the relevant thing, please. InedibleHulk (talk) 20:35, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Agree with all three. Feedback ☎ 22:15, 4 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I see your point, however, the wordiness is necessary for readers that aren't familiar with professional wrestling. Yes, who on this planet will actually come to wikipedia to read pro wrestling articles, but WP has to be readable to everyone. The March 17 RAW, I would ask myself what is a RAW? The announcement of matches is important in PPV articles, because it adds to the background. If its in biographies, it depends on the feud, but more than likely those can be reworded to "Babyface was booked into a match with Heel at WresleMania, upon which Heel won." Finally, where do you see the last point you mentioned in an article?? --Truco 503 14:15, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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