Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bus Uncle

Uncle Bus

PLEASE KEEP THIS! It's sometimes very hard for overseas Hong Kongers to know what is going on in HK, and this is definitely the biggest newsstory from HK in so far this year.
Keep It This is a cultural incident, not a simply argument on the bus. by 十歲就很帥
Delete Not encyclopedic and not notable (at least in en.wikipedia) video. Delete. feydey 20:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom --Nick Y. 20:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment If it is kept then at least remove the chinese. Inapropriate for english page. Link to chinese page.--Nick Y. 21:10, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am currently looking for people to translate the topic for me, coz I'm in my GCSE Exams and have no time to finish the translation, thanks! -- CMB Transit 20:18, 23 May 2006 (BST)
Update Improvements should be completed at this stage, with all the Chinese removed. -- CMB Transit 17:43, 24 May 2006 (BST)
Comment At first by a brief glance at the Chinese version, I believed that the article should be deleted. BUT after reading Dog poop girl, I don't think it should really be deleted. As regards the content, it's "more" worthwhile to delete the Chinese version, not the English version (as per Hong Kong Time 9:45am). So, I would suggest that someone cleans up both versions quickly.--Gary Tse 01:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep IF the yet-to-be newspaper articles are in direct relation to the game and come from reliable sources. If we don't allow an article on something that's very popular just because it's very popular somewhere else, we're not conforming to WP's "worldview" policy. If its notability can be verified by external sources, there's no reason to remove it from the English WP. -- Kicking222 21:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. What game? feydey 22:37, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It is not a game but a truely genune incident. CMB Transit 14:20, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Strong Keep It is a recently-developed culture in Hong Kong, although controversal and unproven in English Wiki. There are evidence from Hong Kong's Mass Media noting the significance of the influence of "Uncle Bus" to Hong Kong culture. Improvement needed but doesn't deserve deletion. -- CMB Transit 22:04, 22 May 2006 (BST)
Delete per nom. RexNL 21:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep These event are totally real, it should not be deleted but refined, or other people will never know about our local culture. And cease per noming!!!!! -- GrigorIII 10:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Agree, "Per Noming" is not a reason for deletion, wiki people should read the reasons not the votes. -- -- CMB Transit 19:02, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Keep, extremely popular Internet phenomenon in China. Ashibaka tock 21:55, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom -- Tawker 06:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep --Chaakming 12:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC) :[reply]

Comment I think the article requires serious editing, discussion on the social implication of the incidents and its effect on language use in Hong Kong. -- Chaakming 12:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, verificable - meets WP:MEME [1] (zh) shows that prominent Hong Kong newspaper Apple Daily has reported on the incident. Will cleanup shortly. - Mailer Diablo 14:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Cleaned up, two major newspaper sources added, should easily pass WP:WEB now. - Mailer Diablo 17:29, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, those conversation has to be traslated though. Cleanup, but not delete. -- Starryboy 15:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
~~Speedy delete. Meaningless nonsense. --minghong 15:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)~~[reply]

Strongly Object If it is a nonsense it won't have created so much attention and influence in Hong Kong, also it meets WP:MEME as what Mailer Diablo have said, no particular reason for deletion. -- CMB Transit 17:13, 24 May 2006 (BST)

It receiving attention does not mean it's not nonsense. And what kind of "influence" has this incident created? -- tonync (talk) (講) 17:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The influences are shown in the new slangs of Hong Kong people, as well as the quotes of "Uncle Bus" used by TV Stations, posters, etc. It is significant and please don't be so ignorant. -- -- CMB Transit 19:04, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Why are you humiliating me just because you don't agree with me? Any individual in Hong Kong can come up with this so-called "slang". The individual concerned is of no significance to Hong Kong society. The content can be merged into encyclopedic entries such as Internet Culture of Hong Kong, or even Philistinism in Hong Kong. -- tonync (talk) (講) 01:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is NOT censored, NOR it is for your point of view. You do not get rid of articles, just because you think they may potray a negative image of Hong Kong. It is clearly notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. - Mailer Diablo 18:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a speedy delete criteria (CSD), coherent and not patent nonsense. - Mailer Diablo 16:23, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rewrite or delete. One can refer to this New York Times article. See also its afd entry in zh wikipedia. --minghong 02:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, my view is the same as feydey's. -- Kevinhksouth 16:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete--Shizhao 16:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Ridiculous. -- tonync (talk) (講) 17:45, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Many true happenings are ridiculous, such as the laws in some countries which allows you to marry when drunk and some allows you to urinate behind a car, not a sufficient reason for deletion. -- -- CMB Transit 18:59, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Yes, and this should be incorporated into relevant encyclopedic entries. Or do you really think Urination behind a car or Drunk marriage deserves an entry in an encyclopedia? -- tonync (talk) (講) 01:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per Mailer diablo, appears to be a highly notable internet meme. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 18:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Mailer diablo. --Myles Long 19:12, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unencyclopedic. --Nlu (talk) 01:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How so? --Mkeroppi 02:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Throughout history, little things like this pop up with absolutely no long-term impact on the society at large. I see no reason to believe that anyone will continue to remember this in a year or two. --Nlu (talk) 03:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Clearly satisify at least one of Wikipedia's requirements --Mkeroppi 02:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Mailer diablo, as this article has been cleanup a lot, and also meets the criteria of Internet meme. --Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 02:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep extremely widespread meme in asian circles... for gods sake I live in MAINE, and there was an UNCLE BUS POSTER in my local chinese restaurant. ALKIVAR™ 02:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This parody should move into uncyclopedia--Burning Flame 05:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ahem. This is not a parody, it is a real life event turn internet meme, which has been incorporated into the Asian culture in a number of various ways, as described within the article. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 05:07, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- OKAY, but this article is not suitable--Burning Flame 09:56, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think this is a Hong Kong special cluture,we should keep it. --Tanaka Reina 05:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)keep!it's a special culture in HOng Kong,should not be removed!!!![reply]
Delete Even if it is on news media it doesn't mean it is worth putting into Wikipedia.--203.198.178.241 05:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Note:This is a note that made by 203.198.178.241 [2] --Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 15:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I am a Hong Konger, but I don't think it's worth keeping. --Hkchan123 05:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, notable event as per Mailer diablo. --Ter e nc e Ong 06:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Apparently he is known even in Washington state. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 06:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Found a newspaper article on him: [3] -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 06:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Although I am from Hong Kong and have heard of this before, I don't think such incident is suitable to keep in an encyclopedia. Bukids 07:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the incident by itself is not suitable, but the massive following is. Even if it's only a meme and would be forgotten soon, it IS a staple of Hong Kong contemporary culture. And nothing should be non-notable for the en.wikipedia if it's notable elsewhere (that is, if we're going to represent a worldwide view) deadkid_dk 09:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Celticshk 10:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep : all his clips has been viewed for more 2 millions times and apparently every newspaper in hong kong covered the event. Absolutely an important case to show the influence of clip culture. --Yau 11:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: NOT every newspaper in Hong Kong covered the event. For example, I can't find anythng about ths event in Ming Pao, the 4th biggest newspaper in Hong Kong. And "2 million times" doesn't mean that "2 million people have watched it". -- Kevinhksouth 12:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment : good research effort. i've just figured out that the 1st, 2nd and 3rd top selling newspaper covered it, maybe 5th , 6th or 7th too. Exception is 4th. --Yau 15:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment:I read Ming Pao every day, so I took it as an example. However, as I just have done some research, Oriental Daily News, which claims itself to be the 1st for 29 years, also doesn't have related information till today. Also, I don't think covering by newspapers or not is the main criteria to decide whether it should be kept in Wikipedia or not. There are many suicides and traffic accidents covered by all HK newspapers, are they suitable to be in Wikipedia? -- Kevinhksouth 15:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      - Comment:For your information, it is covered in Ming Pao today(26 May).-- Chan316 1:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Delete per nom. Islandline 11:41, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Using HK Culture to defend is stupid. HK Culture is much more than that! --61.93.1.41 11:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep per Mailer diablo.--Ph89 12:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I just think that this generated more heat than expected, and if some other videos are 'OK', then this one should be OK.itsnotvalid 12:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: In the afd of the same acticle in Chinese Wikipedia, at the moment, although there are also a few people oppose deleting, most people prefer "delete" rather than "keep". Just for everyone here reference. -- Kevinhksouth 12:36, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Correct, not all thing covered by media is big thing, but if it's continously covered by media, hotly discussed in many blogs and forums (i'm sure your friends are also talking about it too), i tend to think there's a social implication behind it. More comment below. --Yau 15:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment This is the difference between culture. Chinese perfer deleting because they always encounter such thing and treat this as a mninor event, but other have never encounter such situation. So the comment is not sutible in here. GrigorIII
- Comment : It's not about the 'cultural difference' in chinese or english wiki, but only how you see this incident. Some see it as a joke or a graffe, some realize it's a big move of internet culture, and from now on, no report about hong kong internet culture can show full picture without mentioning 'uncle bus'. Btw, the vote for deletion in Chinese Wiki is proposed by Kevinhksouth, but unfortunately at this moment, the result is 8 vs 8. :P --Yau 15:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Definately not true. The vote was started by 魯班. Please don't do personal attack here. --minghong 16:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - OIC, he only put himself on the top of the vote page. Frankly, it's nothing shameful to vote for deletion, and if anyone tries to personally attack you with this, just tell them it's your freedom of expression. But don't say dirty words please. (看來你確是喜歡無限上綱了）　:P --Yau 18:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment : In Chinese wiki, the one who started the vote (魯班, according to Minghong) has suggested the entry should be kept. --Yau 19:20, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      - 魯班 proposed the deletion. Then I have helped him to put the template in the acticle only. Anyway, sorry to tell you that you are wrong again. 魯班 hasn't suggested the entry should be kept. He only said "重要性存疑" (The significance is in doubt) and "我個人認為影響力不足以成為維基百科的條目之一" (I personally think that the influence (to the society) is not enough to make the acticle to be kept in Wikipedia). -- Kevinhksouth 04:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - Right. I am disappointed to see that there is misleading infomation. Also, by counting valid votes including the one who started the deleton, the result is 9 : 6 (delete : keep) now, which means still 60% people want to delete that in Chinese Wikipedia. -- Kevinhksouth 16:32, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      - Sorry about miscounting the invalid and valid votes (simply not experienced on doing these nitty tiny stuff).　--Yau 18:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      - Nah? When did I say "dirty words"? --minghong 04:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Mailer Diablo. PJM 15:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable and popular. Requires clean-up --Zegoma beach 15:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's definitely of popular culture significance - this phenomenon has some similarity to "All your base are belong to us" with the popularity of the modified music video clip. Some claims this does not belongs to encyclopedia, yet AYBAB2U shouldn't be here either based on the same line of reasoning - worse as it is just a made up music video based on a game opening and a catchy Engrish tagline, vs this is a real incident. For AYBAB2U it has absolutely no educational value, nor unencyclopedic as some may say, yet it's a keeper because of its popularity. Uncle Bus should be a keeper as it is more than just the popularity - it reveals some current social issues in HK. --Erniebb 18:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep please this is important and we need more global coverage of memes Yuckfoo 19:03, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
keep it's a meme, like P-P-P-Powerbook, All your base, and you fail it. Wildly popular in it's native Cantonese, this video is also popular in English, demonstrating its widespread popularity. Encyclopedic. Keep. eigenlambda 23:02, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this meme has had a significant enough impact that it has made its way into marketing materials, such as the Capcom poster, and elsewhere. There is no possible way to predict if this will be forgotten about 2 years from now, and even if it were, that should have no bearing on the inclusion of this article. Yamaguchi先生 01:25, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. See Wiki is not paper, WP:Not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_paper_encyclopedia. Ambarish 03:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. See Wiki is not paper, WP:Not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_paper_encyclopedia. downtownj 01:41, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable enough to appear in today's Metro daily newspaper in Dublin (presumably in other regional versions of the paper too) and for me to search for it! --Paul Moloney 08:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It is the same as the Star Wars Kid and the Dog poop girl, it is a kind of Internet phenomenon. Chrisyu357 09:43, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It does cause a great influence to many Hong Kong people. Deejays, TV hosts, newpapers, sutdents, people from different walks of life discuss the story every now and then. Unbelievably, the Youtube clip has been viewed more than ten million times. I hate profanity, but this entry is so famous that deserves keeping. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 13:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, merge to Hong Kong Internet Culture (zh:香港互聯網文化) -- zhwiki 15:16, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Note:This is a note that made by 158.182.51.48 [4] --Shinjiman ⇔ ♨ 15:35, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Memes tend to be short-lived, although their time in the consciousness of Internet users sometimes far outlives its time in the spotlight. Could anyone have predicted that AYBABTU would have become what it did? That said, in addition to being a meme, this seems to reflect a genuinely interesting issue with respect to the attitudes of contemporary Hong Kong inhabitants. Jogloran 15:32, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. This incident has stirred up a phenomenon in the local culture of Hong Kong (and the whole world). It is worth being recorded in the Wikipedia. Marcoian 15:47, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep - this internet phenomenon was even reported internationally by the Associated Press! --HappyCamper 20:33, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for great justice SchmuckyTheCat 21:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Up to this point,
Delete : Keep = 15:26 (Comments are not counted)
just for everyone's convenience.
Dicussion and ~~voting~~ continues. Please, AfD is not a vote!--Hetar 04:23, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

--Hkchan123 00:14, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Has received lots of publicity in the news, and seems quite funny. --Joy
Keep Is as popular as Star Wars kid in Hong Kong, and we have an article for Star Wars kid. This is a very big internet meme. Acyso 04:22, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A definite keep. The spirit of Wikipedia is to include all sorts of information that bears significant to this world. While this particular case does not mean anything to the Yanks and Brits, but in terms of displaying the powerful influence brought by the internet, and in particular, the rapid rise of popularity in internet video streaming, this short movie in Hong Kong bears as muich significance than any single short clip ever shown.
Keep - depsite being a somewhat stupid meme, this thing is so rediculously well known and talked about in HK - if someone didn't know what the fuss is about and wanted to find out on WP they should be able to. novacatz 04:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I read about this guy in the newspaper, wiki is my source of information. I think the incident will be discussed for years and should definately not be removed. (JFO)
Please notice that lots of comments/votes above are made with new users. --minghong 05:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- Please notice that some people in the Chinese wikipedia is trying to delete the page, and forbidding those who aren't so-called editors from voting. -- Jerry Crimson Mann 06:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep based on substantial coverage from media outlets around the world. The article needs a serious cleanup, with standard reference formatting, but that can be fixed later. --Rob 06:37, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - it is absolutely a notable video which is even on the NY Times.
Keep-It is a fact.