Talk:Lists of dragons

This article was nominated for deletion on January 13, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

YOSHI IS NOT A DRAGON. Please, people, stop putting Yoshi on this list. He is a dinosaur. -- Andre 21:05, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC)

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Does Puff count? -- Notheruser 00:22 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

I think so. I added him under 'Songs' -- Loren Rosen

If we list "animation" as a separate section together with comics and puppetry, we get ambiguity: Is an animated TV series "animation" or "television"? I have therefore removed it as a separate section. --Eloquence 00:37 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Good call! Should probably do the same on the other fictional animals lists, because I copied this from somewhere. -- Timwi 01:07 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Does the fact that this is a list of "fictional" dragons distinguish it from a list of real dragons? Danny

Apparently this Procrustean bed fits all "animals". There should be a list for each type of animal, not a "fictional" and "non-fictional" list for each. -- Someone else 01:14 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Give me an example of a "real dragon"? -- Timwi 01:20 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Precisely the point. Why is this not "List of dragons"? -- Someone else 01:21 19 Jun 2003 (UTC)

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Beowulf's wyrm could be counted as fictional or mythical, as the epic poem is a recording of Saxon mythology.

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Isn't this going to be ridiculously long? I've added some dragons I've read about and it seems that almost every fantasy novel have dragons. --seav 05:08, Sep 9, 2003 (EDT)

Yup, and this should be the webpage you load in order to figure out the dragon's name from Tolkien, instead of the 40 other dragon names you know.

~ender 2003-09-19 23:14:MST

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See: List_of_fictional_species

I think this list should be divided up into 'real' (ie: historical) versus acknowledged fantasy references. People in the past have believed that Dragons existed, and thus treated the concept differently than we treat the idea of Tribbles.
~ender 2003-09-19 23:14:MST

Don't we already do this with "Dragons in Legends and Mythology"? Martin 13:18, 20 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Harry potter

Isn't there a dragon or two in that? Mark Richards 17:56, 17 May 2004 (UTC)

Yes, several already present in the article under Dragons in Literature:

• Norbert, Hagrid's dragon baby in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone by J.K. Rowling
• Various unnamed adult dragons in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling

HTH HAND --Phil | Talk 07:53, May 18, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks! Mark Richards 21:26, 18 May 2004 (UTC)

Gordon R. Dickson

Adding the dragons from the Dragon Knight Series by Gordon R. Dickson --Entrprs6 15:23, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

Role-Playing Games

I've gone ahead and added another section, and I realize some people might disagree with that (after reading about why the "animation" section was taken away). My reasoning: Just as there are tons of dragons in fiction (presumably novels), there are tons of dragons in role-playing games. I was worried about the fiction section getting too big. Heck, I added about 30 dragons just from Shadowrun/Earthdawn alone, and those are just the Great Dragons. Fiction and Role-Playing Games are easy enough to differentiate, and in situations where something is a role-playing game AND a novel, like Forgotten Realms or Lord of the Rings, I think that you should decide based on which came first: if it's a novel made from a role-playing game (like the former), then it goes there. Whaddaya think? -- Eisnel 09:24, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

I think the RPG-novel situation is a bit more complex than that: many (probably most) RPG tie-in novels, while using the setting of the RPG world, contain plot and characters created specially for the novel, which have never previously appeared in the game itself - in which case it seems to me those characters are "from literature", not "from a role-playing game".
More generally, I think that while it's undeniable that thousands of dragons have appeared in role-playing games, it does not necessarily follow that they all deserve to be individually listed.
--Paul A 07:28, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Are we sure that they shouldn't all be individually listed? In the discussion above, seav asks "Isn't this going to be ridiculously long?", and ender replies "Yup, and this should be the webpage you load in order to figure out the dragon's name from Tolkien, instead of the 40 other dragon names you know." Granted, in most articles (like, for instance, "Dragon"), you wouldn't want to list every single little dragon's name, because there are, as you say, thousands of them. But in a "List of ..." page, I think you really are supposed to list every single one. Isn't that the point of a Wikipedia "List of ..." page? Like the immense List of people by name pages. Regarding what you said about dragons created in novels that are based on role-playing games, I agree that sometimes those might belong in literature... it's a toughy, and should probably be a judgement call. But I really do think this list should be nice and long. And if someone comes here and types "Hestaby", "Blithen", or "Jormungandr", I think they should find something. I also think it's appropriate to list types of dragons, like Dragonlance Amphidragons. But I might be in the minority here, so I'd like to hear what others think. - Eisnel 14:54, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Jabberwock

The Jabberwock is a composite creature, not a dragon. whoever heard of a dragon that uses teeth and not flames? Perhaps we should take it out? --User:mohanravichandran July 23

Not all dragons are capable of breathing fire. --Phil | Talk 13:08, Jul 23, 2004 (UTC)

I'll second that. The dragons' "breath" has been many things in legend, including water and electricity. Some dragons didn't exhale anything other than air. --Zarggg 03:28, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Organization?

I think this article could use a little reorganization, personally. I notice there was some comments about it earlier, so here's my ideas. First, I think if animation is going to be noted, then animations should be grouped together as subheadings under "film" and "television"; "animated films" under "film" and something like "animated television shows" under television. The same goes for "TV movies"; they should be grouped in another subheading under "film" if they're going to be noted, I think.

Secondly, each section of the list should probably be alphabetized by the dragons' names for great justice organization. :) So, what say you guys?

Also, two questions. I think the dragons from Animal Planet's new special about dragons should go someplace, but... where? And what do comics have to do with puppetry? --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 06:29, Mar 25, 2005 (UTC)

I think we really only need three sections: "folklore and mythology", "literature, poetry and comics", and "film and television". "Comics and puppetry" is, I suppose, the "miscellaneous" section. -Sean Curtin

The parenthasised quilifiers bother me a little. I'd much prefer if the dragons with qualifiers were grouped together under a subheading, you see? And we'd probably have to have even more qualifiers under your scheme, so I guess I'll have to respecfully disagree. :) Unless you mean those should be the top level headings? If that's so, I think we'll probably need two, maybe three more: "games", "miscellaneous", and maybe "radio and song". --Sparky the Seventh Chaos 04:22, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)

Nessie the Dragon

Where would Nessie the Dragon fit in this list? I'm not sure a ringtone counts as a song, nor does the video count as a game. --Daniel Lawrence 18:13, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Comics and puppetry?

Are any of the dragons listed under "comics and puppetry" actually from puppetry, or are they all from comics? I listed Ollie from Kukla, Fran and Ollie under television because that category appeared earlier in the article, but the character would certainly qualify under puppetry as well. --Metropolitan90 01:15, 5 October 2005 (UTC)

Dragon Prince

The series by Melanie Rawn includes various unnamed dragons, however since I feel that these lists should be as complete as possible, I will add them.

Transformer Dragons?

"...various Transformers, notably Megatron..."

I've never heard of this! Can anyone confirm?

--200.59.172.82 18:31, 17 February 2006 (UTC) [User:Andraax]

Media crossovers

I know a dragon from one show that is getting video games on handheld platforms. Should I keep the character at the TV section? -Tracker <small>([[User talk:TrackerTV|>talk)</small>]] 04:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

EVERYBODY FORGOT THE ARCH-ENEMY IN THE ONCE FAMOUS RPG GAME BY LEGEND ENTERTAINMENT - DEATH GATE -

Sang Draxx was the main villain that showed merely in the middle of the game. Whenever he appears, the main character- Haplo needs to find a way to avoid him or drive him away. In the last chapter, Haplo used all the seal pieces to re-unite all the realms scattered all over the world. Sang Draxx tried to stop him but Haplo succeeded in using the Nexus seal piece which destroyed Sang Draxx.

Sang Draxx is a typical dragon with black scales(they glow somehow in such a way by applying magical powers in it), huge in size and breathes fire. This character came from a text and graphical RPG-adventure PC game Death Gate by Legend Entertainment

PLEASE ADD THIS IN THE VIDEOGAME SECTION OF THIS ARTICLE

PLEASE ADD THIS IN THE VIDEOGAME SECTION OF THIS ARTICLE

thanks.. in advance... ^___^

Norbert

Norbert from the Harry Potter series under film references a Saint named Norbert and not the Norbert intended. I wasn't sure if there was a reference to the dragon intended somewhere amongst all the Harry Potter articles so if someone more knowledgable could tend to this, it would be helpful.

Pokémon?

How do we handle Pokémon in these lists of fictional animals? Eh! Steve (talk) 22:25, 4 June 2013 (UTC)