Talk:Enda Kenny

Irish name

Could you add his Irish name: Éanna Ó Coinnigh. Thanks. 131.251.252.193 (talk)

No, he is not known by this name nad it would violate WP:IMOS#Naming_people which states: "An Irish version of a person's English-language name may be given in the first sentence of the lead of an article on that person if it is a well-known, commonly-used name for that person." This does not apply in this case. Snappy (talk) 18:42, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Since there isn't consensus for this edit, I have not performed it. Danger! ^{High voltage!} 23:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Yes, but it further elaborates: "it is not appropriate or encyclopaedic to "invent" such names, as this constitutes original research." This name is not invented, it comes from the Irish Wikipedia. Furthermore, in the criterion you referenced, the fact that this name is the one used on the Irish Wikipedia indicates the legitimacy that this name has in face of that criterion. Finally the MOS addressed primarily the article name, and although its own examples indicate that it is better to use Geoffrey Keating rather than Seathrún Céitinn, this very article uses the persons Irish name in the lead. 131.251.252.193 (talk)

What happens on other projects is not really relevant here. Kenny is not widely known by the Irish form of his name, so IMOS is applicable as stated above. RashersTierney (talk) 00:40, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also there is no consensus for the edit.  Sandstein  07:39, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Here are some sources for the name "Éanna Ó Coinnigh". Just to clarify, the threshold for inclusion of an Irish name in the opening sentence per IMOS is not that the name is commonly used by English speakers, but that the name is commonly used by Irish speakers (ie, that it does not exist only in dictionaries or databases). --Kwekubo (talk) 09:37, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

In fact, the first source shows that Enda Kenny himself prefers the use of Éanna Ó Coinnigh in Irish-language texts. 131.251.252.193 (talk) 10:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

What he is known as in Irish language texts is not in dispute but it is also not relevant, this is the English language wikipedia and in English he is known as Enda Kenny, unlike say Eamon O Cuiv who is known by his Irish name in both languages. User:Kwekubo assertion that the threshold for inclusion is that it is commonly used by Irish speakers, seems to be a novel interpretation of IMOS. Snappy (talk) 17:47, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

In that case, should we remove the (Russian: Москва́, romanized: Moskva, IPA: [mɐˈskva] ) present on the article Moscow? But then I guess:

What it is known as in Russian language texts is not in dispute but it is also not relevant, this is the English language wikipedia and in English it is known as Moscow, unlike say Novosibirsk which is known by its Russian name in both languages. User:Kwekubo assertion that the threshold for inclusion is that it is commonly used by Russian speakers, seems to be a novel interpretation of MOS. 131.251.252.193 (talk) 20:39, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

You are not comparing like with like now, what have Russian cities got to do with Irish names? On the main evening news on RTE, is the Taoiseach ever referred to as Éanna Ó Coinnigh? Is he referred as such in the Irish Times? No and No. I don't understand the second part of your most recent response, it appears to be a sarcastic re-stating of my previous post, in which case, I don't see any point in trying to have a civil discussion with you. Also, its quite clear that there is no consensus for this change. Snappy (talk) 22:13, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

That "sarcasm" was a restating of your example in another context, in order to show its absurdity. Now, do we ever see Москва́ in English-language media? No, we say Moscow, since that is its English name. But Russian-language sources will use Москва́, since that's the Russian name. And the page on Moscow will show both, since both are relevant. It's the exact same here: we use Enda in the English media and Éanna is used in the Irish media (as the previously stated sources demonstrate); in the intro we show relevant other-language names. And being Ireland, Irish is a relevant alternate name.

I seriously can't believe the addition of a mere four words can provoke such controversy. This is why I left Wikipedia, and nothing has changed since then. If you hate those four words so dearly, well then have it that way. The former user, now 131.251.252.193 (talk) 22:50, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I still don't the point comparing Enda Kenny to Moscow. The Irish "version" of his name is on Vicipeid. I note your withdrawal of your request. Snappy (talk) 17:58, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Enda Kenny

I don't much care for your agressive bullying tone or that you hide behind a profile and don't use your proper name as I do. But I am interested to know on what basis you have decided you have the right to decide what 'facts' are allowed for Enda Kenny. It seems it's ok to include the reference to his use of the n word but it's not ok to point out he in fact did not take a pay cut or that he makes expense claims for a mortgage in Dublin that doesn't exist or that he has received over €1million in tax free expenses since 2002 alone - a quick google will verifiy the salary and expenses and would you like me to forward the e-mail I have from about his mortgage - because I asked him directly about it years ago. Probably when he was actually reading his own e-mails and I doubt such an honest answer would be forthcoming now of course.

The changes I have made are factually correct - it may be I need to figure out how to correctly include the reference but I know what I've said can be proven. Just because I'm a blueshirt doesn't mean Kenny shouldn't be taken to task for spinning a yarn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desmond FitzGerald (talk • contribs) 07:40, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

There is no 'may be' about it. Wikipedia entries must be referenced if challenged, or they are liable to removal. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with the fundamental principles. If you need help referencing a reliable source, any experienced editor will generally be happy to help you, myself included. Assume good faith when interacting/referring to others you may disagree with on content, and please don't log out to continue making controversial edits as here. It could be considered sock puppetry, which is another big 'no-no'. RashersTierney (talk) 08:24, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Well if you are as concerned with being accurate then the section on pay and reform falls your test. It is factually wrong of you to state Kenny took a pay cut and it is factually wrong to say a convention was to start in 2011, it hasn't started and we're near the end of 2012. It seems editors are selective about what is a fact. So while I'm learning how to get the hang of the secret world of who controls the truth, I'll have to keep removing factually incorrect statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desmond FitzGerald (talk • contribs) 10:09, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

I've no idea how this 'talk' works or what this 'edit war' means.

The edits I have made are all factually correct. It's not clear to me who you are as you hide behind the profile of Snappy.

I'm not sure why you seem so intent on presenting information in the way you have. All of my edits relate to information in the Dublin domain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Desmond FitzGerald (talk • contribs) 21:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Infobox photo

Why do people keep changing this image? I can't see anything wrong with it. Could people leave this alone for a while please? Snappy (talk) 19:32, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Protests and egging

This section reads like WP:OR - a slapdash of trivia plucked from the ether! RashersTierney (talk) 19:48, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Agreed, a mixture of OR and Synthesis with a dash of Coatrack thrown in. I have removed it. Snappy (talk) 20:07, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Dubious Claim of Catholicism

The infobox religion value of Catholic isn't accurate.