Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 September 23

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September 23

Template:TajikPersian

Template:TajikPersian (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No benefit over {{lang-tg}}/{{lang-fa}}. — Lfdder (talk) 17:43, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Transliteration scheme side boxes

Template:Malayalam transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Tamil transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template:Tulu transliteration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We don't need a whole box to tell people what kind of translit scheme we're using. Just like with languages, preface the first translit in the article with the wikilink to it, and people will get it. — Lfdder (talk) 17:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Panachaiki sections

Template:Panachaiki sections (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Further to Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 September 16#Template:Panionios sections - this template only has one blue-link, and it is unlikely that the other red-links will ever be independently notable from the sports club they are departments of. It therefore serves no purpose as a navbox. Giant Snowman 16:03, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete handled by the see also section and standard article links. Frietjes (talk) 16:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox cultural center

Template:Infobox cultural center (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use on Centro Cultural de Ponce Carmen Solá de Pereira, can be replaced by Template:Infobox organization. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox landslide

Template:Infobox landslide (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use on 1996 Yosemite Valley landslide, it shares all parameters with Template:Infobox news event (which is used for all kinds of disasters), except for debris_weight and fall_speed, which could be added to that template, either directly or as blank fields. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

it was created to solve this problem, but go ahead and convert it to use another infobox. Frietjes (talk) 14:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Ukrainian oblast divisions

Template:Infobox Ukrainian oblast divisions (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Used only on Administrative divisions of Khmelnytskyi Oblast, it duplicates much of the information available on Khmelnytskyi Oblast so it could be deleted without replacement. If necessary, the number of cities and villages could be displayed in a table. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Texas regional council

Template:Infobox Texas regional council (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Created in April and used on 24 articles, it could be replaced with Template:Infobox settlement. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

it was created to solve this problem. I would like to see a demonstration of the conversion to {{infobox settlement}} first, since it's not clear how the multiple historical population numbers would be supported. Frietjes (talk) 14:45, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Seetal railway line

Template:Seetal railway line (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single use on Seetal railway line, should be substituted and deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:27, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Then do it. The template can be then speedily deleted per WP:CSD#T3. As can be most of your today's nominations, actually. Keφr 10:56, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

CSD T3 takes at least a week, a TfD might actually be faster for these templates. And there is always the possibility that someone might object.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 11:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

So does a TfD, except in rare cases of WP:SNOW keeps. And a user can still object by removing the speedy tag, or better, by invalidating the criterion. Keφr 11:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Until May this year, the template contained just the expandable route diagram, transcluded from within an Infobox in the article. This is a fairly standard situation for railway line articles. Then, for some reason and without explanation, an editor moved the infobox into the template. So should we revert to the pre-May situation, or should we substitute the lot (including the expandable line diagram). Personally I'd vote for the latter, apart from the fact that I've tried it several times (on other articles) but never managed to get it to render the infobox correctly. If you can, great. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 11:46, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I merged it into the article before seeing your comment. Is that what you had in mind? — Lfdder (talk) 12:34, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Exactly what I had in mind. -- chris_j_wood (talk) 12:57, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox op1

Template:Infobox op1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Only use in userspace, if really necessary OP-1 could use Template:Infobox synthesizer for his user page. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

User:OP-1 Synth reads like an article in userspace. — Lfdder (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox television bowling

Template:Infobox television bowling (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Used only for Bowling Revolution P-League, rather than fork Template:Infobox television it would be better to use a simple floating table to add any additional information. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The reason why I created this template just for this article is that, unlike other television series, this show has been moved around three times. None of the other templates allow me to show all three time slots, and the dates/episode numbers for each of them. I'm not a template expert, so unless someone can modify Template:Infobox television... BTW, this template was copied from the Japanese Wikipedia, and the Japanese version of Bowling Revolution P-League uses it. Groink (talk) 19:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Script/Greek

Template:Script/Greek (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Purely stylistic (there isn't a modern OS without support for Greek characters) and overwrites user fonts when used inside {{lang}}. — Lfdder (talk) 10:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On my browser, I found the default font used to display Greek was not very legible. For example α looks rather too much like the letter a on my browser, but α looks better. I now use {{Polytonic}} instead since that seems like a standard thing, but now that I look this seems to be zero improvement over using no template at all, at least for α. I go for the "mostpeople" solution. user fonts are kind of exotic. Can you fix it so user fonts are not ignored? My usage is completely for ancient Greek rather than modern Greek. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 14:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Polytonic was deprecated last year; you shouldn't be using it. Either way, polytonic transcludes {lang|grc| ... } (the template that's replaced it); {lang|grc} sets the HTML lang attribute for text you throw at it to "grc", and nothing else. This mean that you can use :lang(grc) in your user style sheet to change the font for everything that's grc-tagged to one you like, with no effect for other people, like so:

   :lang(grc) {
       font-family: "DejaVu Sans", sans-serif;
   }

In general, you should not make other people's font choices for them -- that is, unless they'd otherwise not be able to view text in that script, like with Cuneiform. — Lfdder (talk) 15:14, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

And, for the record, I think the default font (Arial for me) is perfectly legible, and I like to see Latin and Greek in the same font. — Lfdder (talk) 15:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Oregon Trail Memorial half dollar

Template:Infobox Oregon Trail Memorial half dollar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The template's talk page says it was created "to provide custom image headings for a coin, Oregon Trail Memorial half dollar, whose obverse/reverse designation is ambiguous." It would be better to change Template:Infobox coin to accommodate the article's requirements, but if this is not possible it should be substituted and deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:19, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

replace with {{infobox coin}}, but add a feature to that infobox which will allow for custom Obverse and Reverse headings. Frietjes (talk) 15:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox coin 2

Template:Infobox coin 2 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not sure why this is needed when there is a Template:Infobox coin 1, but it's used on only 10 articles. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:17, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox motorsport round

Template:Infobox motorsport round (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

It could probably be replaced by Template:Infobox motorsport championship. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Assassins

Template:Assassins (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Not a template, should be either userified, moved to mainspace or deleted. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

move to Assassins (band) and send to AfD, or delete per {{db-band}} if the lack of notability is clear. Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

delete as a fork of {{infobox musical artist}}, which already has |embed= for using it as a module. I replaced it in the article. Frietjes (talk) 15:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox wikiproject software

Template:Infobox wikiproject software (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused, and there is already a Template:Infobox software anyway. eh bien mon prince (talk) 10:00, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete per WP:CSD#T3. Though I think this one is meant for user scripts; but anyway, Template:Infobox user script exists already. Keφr 10:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep This one is a work still in progress to combine Template:Infobox software and Template:Infobox user script for use by WikiProjects, userscripts, and gadgets. Technical 13 (talk) 11:13, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- You are misusing the WP:Speedy keep clause here. Keφr 11:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - How is saying that I think it should be speedily kept because this is unquestionably an attempt to cause disruption in the creation of a new template for use on various WikiProjects I am involved in, misuse? Technical 13 (talk) 12:26, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Because it is not "unquestionably an attempt to cause disruption". Please see WP:AGF, WP:AAGF and WP:AAAGF. And WP:AAGFAAGF. (That is, dispute actions, not intent. Usually. Because sometimes you cannot tell whether there is any intent at all.) Keφr 13:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
speedy keep, author says it's WIP. Though perhaps a template for use in Wikipedia and User pages should be moved to another space. Accusation that this is "unquestionably an attempt to cause disruption" seems rash to me. — Lfdder (talk) 12:32, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- It has been a "WIP" for nearly a month now. Single edit, and not a single transclusion. I think it is not unreasonable to assume that it has been abandoned. And Template:Infobox user script already exists and found some use. Why not just use that, while expanding it as necessity dictates? Keφr 13:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm the creator, I'm saying its not abandoned, and deleting it on the basis of It has been a "WIP" for nearly a month now. is a violation of NODEADLINE. {{Infobox user script}} wouldn't apply to gadgets, toolserver/labs tools, and other programs like SNUGGLE, AWB, IGLOO, etc. Technical 13 (talk) 13:35, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - A month isn't that long a time. The author might've been caught up in other things. Give it another month and if nothing is done on it and it's not used anywhere we can delete or userfy. NODEADLINE is an essay (not guideline or policy) with articles in mind. — Lfdder (talk) 13:37, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - According to people who agreed on making WP:CSD#T3 a deletion criterion, a week is enough time. And I still think this is redundant to a template which already found some use (moderate, I acknowledge, and mostly by me, but nevertheless). That template could be renamed to something like {{infobox editing tool}} and expanded as necessary just as well. We have enough NIH syndrome in templates already. Keφr 13:58, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - T3 says they can be deleted after being tagged for a week, not how long they must be orphaned for for T3 to apply. Which template are you referring to? — Lfdder (talk) 14:06, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Template:Infobox user script. But if the T3 criterion stops applying during that period, the speedy deletion claim becomes invalid. So it boils down pretty much to the same thing. Keφr 14:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Yes, "wikiproject software" seems overly specific. Actually, is that Wikipedia:WikiProject Software, or is it for software made by/for wikiprojects? T3 is a bit of a basket CSD; the week is just the time given to react to it. T3 should apply the moment a tpl is tagged with it, and not after 7 days. — Lfdder (talk) 15:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I am somewhat sympathetic to the proposal, but this is not the forum to discuss it. See WT:CSD. There are a few discussions there already, though… Keφr 15:54, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox equestrian championship

Template:Infobox equestrian championship (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Either this or Template:Infobox Equestrian Championships should be deleted, and perhaps they could both be replaced by a more generic infobox. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:59, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete Template:Infobox equestrian championship; but Speedy Keep Template:Infobox Equestrian Championships - I agree there is no need for both, and the latter is clearly better put together. I don't agree on a generic infobox; I think there is sufficient structure and similarity to equestrian competitions, whether stand alone or multievent, different from other generic sports competitions, to justify a separate infobox.

It provides a useful summary in table form of salient points that someone looking at an equestrian comp page would like to know, espially thinhs like horse and riders. As a general rule, generic sports infoboxes rarely allow for enough 'specialist' or event specific information specific to that sport, unless the sports follow a very broadly similar structure - say all the various football or rugby codes, or various martial arts codes.

I can imagine an infobox for, say, motor sport or sailing or even cycling - any events involving races for individuals and teams by means of propulsion other than simply the athlete - might contain some usefully similar functionality, but building a generic box in such a way risks losing more than you gain.

Mpjmcevoybeta (talk) 11:38, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox electric racing car

Template:Infobox electric racing car (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Fork of Template:Infobox racing car. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Confederation of Indian Industry

Template:Infobox Confederation of Indian Industry (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The only article on which it appears should use Template:Infobox organization. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox architect and artist

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the template below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was speedy deleted under T2. This is not a template exactly. It is a a copy of Infobox architect with all parameters set to fit a single person. Magioladitis (talk) 12:04, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox architect and artist (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

We already have Template:Infobox architect and Template:Infobox artist. eh bien mon prince (talk) 09:53, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.