Talk:Wendy Davis (politician)

Semiprotection

I think we should semi-protect this page due to the current ongoing filibuster. Hamsterlopithecus (talk) 00:22, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Firebombing of her office

Notable enough to include in the article? I'm thinking not, since the accused is apparently a person with mental health issues, not a political attacker. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:48, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Does their mental status really matter?Countered (talk) 10:52, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I don't think this section's content will ever expand to great enough length to warrant its own section, so it should probably be merged elsewhere, possibly the "State Senate" section. Thoughts? ComfyKem (talk) 01:01, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I think it should be deleted altogether. Violent acts like that are fairly common in the USA. The one source doesn't mention anything very notable about it. The one shot I saw only had burn marks on the bottom of a door. Even if the building had its own article I would question inclusion. She wasn't even in the building at the time and yet we include it in her article?--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:30, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I've removed it. It should rate a mention in her biography only if a reliable source details it had an effect on her or her policies. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 05:53, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Filibuster page

This whole filibuster regarding the dead bill thing, is huge, it's a little too huge for it to not have its own article here. This is a feminist thing, this is a human body thing, this is a government thing, and this is a social media thing, and I think it is rightfully deserving of its own article. --Matt723star (talk) 21:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 27 June 2013

External links should include the usual template:

• Profile at Vote Smart

Note: c-span only has a Vermont Wendy Davis currently, but that should soon be updated. 184.78.81.245 (talk) 15:26, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I have gone ahead and done this even though protection of this article has expired. Thanks, —KuyaBriBri^Talk 20:18, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Image deletion discussion

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/File:Wendy_Davis_2010.jpg

More opinions are welcome. ComfyKem (talk) 16:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Could somebody with more patience than I put her elections in order?

Her elections are currently in reverse order. Our Manual of Style is quite clear that biographical articles are written in chronological order, and that tables of elections and results should be in chronological order as well. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:52, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:48, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Screen shot

A past screenshot of this article is now all over the twitter-verse here. Bearian (talk) 20:04, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Ex-husband

Why was my edit about her ex-husband, Jeff Davis, removed? It is notable that he served on the Ft. Worth City Council before her and aided in her being elected to office. He is a prominent attorney and they divorced in 2003. Why leave that out? TexianPolitico (talk) 15:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

As I stated in the edit summary, your talk page, and my talk page, it was unsourced. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:25, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

If it's true, give us some published sources for it. All you gave us was a link to something which never so much as mentions her name. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Wendy Davis' campaign issued new bullet at her campaign site, acknowledging she was caught is several lies, 1) she did not work her way through college, her husband whom she was unfaithful to, paid for her Harvard degree and she then divorced him 2 weeks after he paid the last tuition installment 3) She did not "live in a trailer" she stay with someone who lived in a trailer after she divorced her first husband (at 21)whom she used, 4) she divorsed at 21 not 19 which she claimed. She just used men, lied about how they helped her, tried to take credit for being a wonder woman, and wore a catheter to aid her "stamina" in a filibuster. She is truly a devious creep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.242.111 (talk) 03:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/01/19/Liar-in-Pink-Shoes-Wendy-Davis-s-Composite-Life is at least one reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.242.111 (talk) 03:23, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Breitbart.com is not a reliable source and you will not be permitted to turn this article into an argument that she is a "devious creep". Go blog somewhere. This is a neutral encyclopedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:36, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

CNN, the Dallas Morning News and Houston Chronicle have all reported that Davis divorced her husband 'roughly when the final [college] payment was due', and here husband allegedy infidelity on her part. She did not divorce at age 19, but rather age 21, and did not live in a trailer, but rather in the 'family home' after for a few months after the divorce. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/20/report-wendy-davis-life-story-more-complicated-than-compelling-narrative/?hpt=hp_t3)(http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20140118-as-wendy-davis-touts-life-story-in-race-for-governor-key-facts-blurred.ece)(http://blog.chron.com/texassparkle/2014/01/wendy-davis-tells-a-life-story-that-doesnt-exactly-match-reality/) She moved into an apartment shortly afterwords. Additionally, she did indeed wear a catheter and back brace during her filibuster.(http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/20/wendy-davis-governor-campaign-stumbles-mistruths/) The source may be inaccurate, but the fact is such claims have been made and reported on by numerous reliable sources. Toa Nidhiki05 03:58, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

There are now several news sources parroting and corroborating the Brietbart News story Cullen. Since this is a neutral encyclopedia I'm sure you will make sure that the CNN and Washington Post citations are noted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.242.111 (talk) 04:29, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Independent reporting by actual reliable sources is not parroting, and I have no objection to any neutral additions you might make to the article based on what reliable sources report, none of which call her a devious creep. And if someone lived in a trailer for a while, then they lived in a trailer. Cullen

Regarding the ex-husband's adultery claims, there is no reason to include them (unless you are editing with an agenda) as all kinds of unproven claims can be made in initial filings. If this is the only source, and the final ruling did not mention it, then the claim should probably be treated as a WP:SPS. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:01, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I can now see your comment. I don't know why it was not showing, must have been a cache issue. I agree that the adultery issue should probably be left out. But you should have made the point you are making here when you kept ripping it out of the article earlier. Also, many of the things that are listed as "facts" about her life have been in her article for a very long time now based simply on "self-published sources" such as campaign literature, her senate office, etc.--NK (talk) 15:06, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

SPS's can make claims about themselves, but not others. See WP:SELFPUB for more info. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:17, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Ok. I removed the adultery claims.--NK (talk) 15:36, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Here is the link to the FEDERAL COURT Transcription of of Wendy Davis' testimony where she made the false statements about paying for her own education. http://moritzlaw.osu.edu/electionlaw/litigation/documents/4am.pdf

Replace the CNN news article by A Killough of January 20, 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.242.111 (talk) 16:56, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Nope, see WP:BLPPRIMARY. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:04, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes you are misusing WP:BLPPRIMARY. It reads that a secondary source may be used and you deleted that too. You can't have it both ways.

The Court document is a record of her comments. The CNN article is a report of her testimony. You intend to block the Court Record which does not have information related to her address etc which is the intent AND you erased the CNN citation referencing it. Her statements ARE a matter of public record. Stop Vandalizing the article under the pretext of editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.242.111 (talk) 17:19, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

If any reliable secondary sources say she was under oath then it can be added in. Otherwise, do not make interpretations of court records. And, as I've explained to you, the CNN cite was already at the end of the sentence. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:23, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Russell vs. Davis in early life section

When I started editing the early life section, I just followed the existing usage of "Russell" to refer to Wendy Davis. It does become confusing. I think the suggestion that references be cleaned up is a good one.--NK (talk) 16:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

To be clear, the reference to each person Wendy Davis and Jeff Davis need to be cleaned up. I understand the original intent to call Wendy Davis "Russell" but that reference breaks down at a certain point.--NK (talk) 18:58, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Wendy Davis News Reports related to her claims of self-support at Harvard, Age of Divorce, Living location and Employment

http://news.msn.com/us/wendy-daviss-biography-has-some-inconsistencies?ocid=ansnews11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.2.242.111 (talk) 17:25, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/20/report-wendy-davis-life-story-more-complicated-than-compelling-narrative/

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/21/wendy-davis-under-fire-for-flubbed-details-in-life-story/

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20140118-as-wendy-davis-touts-life-story-in-race-for-governor-key-facts-blurred.ece

http://blog.chron.com/texassparkle/2014/01/wendy-davis-tells-a-life-story-that-doesnt-exactly-match-reality/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/01/21/why-wendy-davis-resume-issues-matter/

http://www.cbs3springfield.com/story/24502058/wendy-davis-story-may-have-misstated-details

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/wendy-davis-story-misstated-details-21605006

AP News service Will Weissert:

http://news.yahoo.com/wendy-davis-39-story-may-misstated-details-013300905--election.html;_ylt=A0oG7tmaVt5SICwAuJRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0bjdtaW80BHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA1ZJUDEzMV8x

Reuters News, John Herskovitz:

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-democrat-davis-battles-suspicions-embellishing-life-story-222428107.html

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/wendy-davis-has-a-problem-with-the-truth-102497.html

What's your point here? These sources are already in the article or repeat information. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:38, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Note the IP is continuing to add links above hours after I replied --NeilN ^{talk to me} 06:01, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

This isn't a blog. I am assembling all the public domain news references related to Wendy Davis' false claims, including the citation you removed relating to her claim of self support while at Harvard. So what is your point in making a comment about that? You ought to be adding the citations at the relevant sections of the article, not deleting them. After all you are an editor.

Citations already exist for all sentences. You might want to look at them. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:49, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

From the Houston Chronicle:

“When she was accepted to Harvard Law School, Jeff Davis cashed in his 401(k) account and eventually took out a loan to pay for her final year there." by Kathleen McKinley, January 20, 2014

http://blog.chron.com/texassparkle/2014/01/wendy-davis-tells-a-life-story-that-doesnt-exactly-match-reality/

First, that is a political advocacy piece, not a WP:RS. Second, that info is currently already in the article. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:57, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

The fact that he cashed in his 401 K and took out a loan to pay for her final year is NOT in the article. Your bolding of already in the article did not put that in the article. You actually have to type it in.24.2.242.111 (talk) 18:11, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

It's in plain English: "Davis paid for Russell's last two years at TCU and paid for his wife's education at Harvard Law School from 1990 to 1993.[11] In 1992, Davis took out a 10-year loan a to help pay her tuition, which was not paid off until 2003 and cashed out his 401(k)" --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:28, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Now, for now.

Been a while now. [1] Might want to read more carefully. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:58, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, NeilN, for working to keep the article neutral, instead of an advocacy piece or a hit piece. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:55, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

This section seems to be grossly unfair, misleading and factually at odds with CNN article cited. Mrs Davis had her daughters in Boston the first year of law school and her mother helped care for them the remaining two years when she returned weekly to see them. It also gives the clear impression that Mrs Davis was not a contributing member of the household during the years from 1993 to the divorce in 2005, when in fact she was gainfully employed during that entire time. The article also makes it sound like she had her parental rights stripped of her, when in fact she wanted to have her daughters finish being raised in the house they grew up in. jay (talk) 06:29, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I have incorporated some of your points into the article. That whole section however, needs the skills of a good copy-editor. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 07:47, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Liberal Denialism

The conduct being committed on this article and talk page is abominable. Multiple neutral sources of encyclopedic content being cited but because the liberal denialist spinbots do not like, they keep removing it from both pages. An embarrassment to entire nature of the Wikipedia project. There is no moving the goalposts-it either is encyclopedic content from a neutral POV or it isn't and this one is not close. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.252.201 (talk) 15:35, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

I think any anon IP editor using the phrase "liberal denialist spinbots" can be safely ignored. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:38, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did here. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

As if being an ip editor is inferior. Mission accomplished, purposeful ignorance in favor of a personal agenda. Doing the world a real service by framing facts to best suit your needs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.252.201 (talk) 20:57, 23 January 2014 (UTC)