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Remove copyvio
I've declined this for a few reasons. The first is that it wasn't marked where the copyvio is from, so I can't really check it. I know that there has been previous versions with issues, but that leads into the second issue: this is someone's school project and this is pretty much their first time editing Wikipedia. I'd like to try to re-write the article and remove any of the issues as opposed to just outright deleting it, if possible. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)06:23, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
At first glance
Tokyogirl79, after a quick once-over, I'm concerned that several of these sections address gender segregation in general and not women's education. I'll take another look in the morning and review the references. Best, Lesser Cartographies (talk) 06:47, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like there's plenty out there in the way of WP:RS. Not sure how much of the existing article is worth saving, though. I'm going to make a draft in my sandbox and then we can discuss what happens next (hopefully with input from the original editor). If you have some time, could you see if you can find a list of women-only Saudi universities and demographic information for all of the universities? Thanks! Lesser Cartographies (talk) 14:05, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like it was done by a branch of the consulting firm Strategy&, which will bring up some questions as to who they're consulting for. It looks good for the most part, but there might be questions as to whether or not someone asked them to write it. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)03:14, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Feedback/Suggestions
There are a few suggestions I have for your article. Overall you should go through and clean up some of the typos and try to make sure you are being objective when discussing the topic. I think most of the sections should be expanded in order to help really get at the heart of this topic. You seem to have very few sources to help back up some of these points. On some more specific suggestions, I would start with the consequences section. Are low levels of labor force participation and low political participation by women a result of educational segregation? It would seem to me this isn't educational segregation that causes these things, but instead the religious culture in general. Clearly, that culture has led to segregation in education, but that segregation isn't probably the reason for the low participation levels in politics and the labor force. You might instead want to look at if women get a substantially worse education because of this segregation. Lastly, in your progress of women's education section, I would go into more depth about the segregated education. Yes, women are being educated at higher levels now, but this is under segregated education. As I mentioned you could talk about the consequences of this. Is this actually separate but equal education? Dougsimpsonwiki (talk) 23:46, 20 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Brendon, a few more specific suggestions, then. Perhaps a list of universities that admit women, their enrollment and demographics (and when they started accepted women). A few high points on the history of when secondary and university education was allowed. There have also been two tragedies associated with the universities' intersection with the wider culture—see my sandbox page for details and a few cites. I think you've got a decent start here, but there's a lot more to cover and much of what exists in the article now is only peripherally related to education. Lesser Cartographies (talk) 10:39, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment
This version looks much better than last two peer reviews. This one have clear title and subtitles. I like that each section is not too long to read. I'm happy to see a leading paragraph now. The suggestion I could make here is to complement few sentences in leading part to point out what the issue in women's education in Saudi Arabia. (In other words, to point out the inequality in education between women and men in Saudi Arabia.) I think that would be better to get a general sense of the whole article after look at the leading paragraph for readers. In terms of the segregation in social life part, I'm not sure if it would be better to change the first subtitle to "Norms" only. Because you've already mentioned this is in education area in the title "Segregation in social life". Besides, maybe more reference might be help to improve the article. Yangtana Li (talk) 23:15, 21 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
