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Explanation about full marriage equality section edits.

The sections detailing views on alternate forms of marriage has been added to detail the known views of the AME with regards to certain minority groups. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.162.7.131 (talk) 16:50, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Detailing AME's view regarding minor it groups is fine providing the references mention AME. References that do not mention the articles subject however should not be used in the article. Wikipedia is not an opinion site, it is not appropriate to list opinions for or against what the articles subject is arguing for unless they mention AME by name. I am removing all the references that do not mention AME. Freikorp (talk) 06:42, 23 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Does this article grant undue prominence to AME's views on incest, pædophilia, et cetera?

Roughly half of the article appears to be devoted to a multiple-subheading synopsis of one article in which AME's opposition to incest, polygamy, and so on was outlined. I think these would be more appropriate condensed into a couple of sentences. Does anyone disagree? Wikitorrens^T 08:32, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly don't disagree with you there. I already condensed it somewhat following a dispute with the editor who kept trying to expand it further, using references that didn't even mention AME. I'd be happy to see it reduced further. Freikorp (talk) 08:42, 14 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Marriage Equality's impact

I would like the opinion of other editors on the new section added to the article, entitled "Australian Marriage Equality's impact". The section begins with "The impact of Australian Marriage Equality's lobbying for marriage equality / same-sex marriage (SSM), as of May 2014, can be summarised as follows". However no reference in the section is about the specific effectiveness of AME, this is just a collection of general events regarding SSM with an obvious bias against SSM. Original wording was "SSM was approved, but subsequently quashed in the Australian Capital Territory." No attention was given to the notable fact that SSM was approved for the first time in Australia's history, emphasis was only given to the fact it was overturned. But even though SSM was approved for the first time, how much of its approval can be directly attributed to the efforts of AME? AME is not the only organisation lobbying for gay rights. Some of the references don't even mention AME at all. How can this section therefore be considered to cover AME's impact? The section is just the general history of SSM in Australia, which is covered in far greater and more balanced detail at Recognition of same-sex unions in Australia. Freikorp (talk) 00:28, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: This doesn't read like an "impact" section at all. Rather, it's more like how the AME's efforts were negated, and does read like an anti-AME section. Epicgenius (talk) 00:14, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Fine - I have no problem if the heading is changed to ==How the Australian Marriage Equality's efforts have been negated== Keeping in mind WP:NOTPROMOTION of AME. Sam56mas (talk) 05:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Readers of this Wiki-encyclopaedia are informed that AME is the, "pre-eminent group campaigning for marriage equality in Australia" and that it was "founded in 2004". Readers would expect there would be information on its campaign-achievements in the last 10 years. All references within this section (currently [36] to [45]) will cite AME. I am sure all this is in the spirit of, "increasing the number of people and perspectives contributing to LGBT information". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Loves_Pride_2014 Sam56mas (talk) 21:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Freikorp's general sentiments: this seems much more like a generic potted history of setbacks to marriage equality in Australia rather than anything specifically relevant to AME as an organisation. Perhaps it would be better placed in another article regarding marriage equality in Australia more generally rather than this particular article? Wikitorrens^T 06:36, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Further comment on Sam's proposal: I don't think that altering the section heading addresses the major problem with the content: that it is not specifically relevant to AME rather than Australian marriage equality (small m, small e) more broadly. Wikitorrens^T 06:48, 15 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]