Talk:Sean Connery

Semi-protected edit request on 14 May 2014

Please include in this article the fact that Sean Connery is a known misogynist. Labeling him as an actor and producer is just as important as pointing out the fact that he believes that "An open-handed slap is justified – if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it", which basically means that women deserve violence if they speak their minds.

References: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sean_Connery https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA http://seanconneryonline.com/art_playboy1165.htm

Please change "He was knighted by Elizabeth II in July 2000, and received the Kennedy Center Honors in the US." to "He was knighted by Elizabeth II in July 2000, and received the Kennedy Center Honors in the US. He is also a known misogynist." Any other method of incorporating this fact or his views about women in the opening paragraphs are acceptable.

A paragraph MUST be included in this article about his views and statements, as this is meant to be a true depiction of the person.

Thank you. 110.174.76.52 (talk) 15:02, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

 Not done - As per WP:UNDUE - Arjayay (talk) 16:13, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2014

In Personal Life section, after paragraph ending with "1975." and before the paragraph about his golfing interests, please add the following:

Controversial Views

In the November 1965 issue of Playboy magazine, Connery explained his views about women, saying, "I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman -- although I don't recommend doing it in the same way that you'd hit a man. An openhanded slap is justified -- if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it. I think a man has to be slightly advanced, ahead of the woman. I really do -- by virtue of the way a man is built, if nothing else. But I wouldn't call myself sadistic. I think one of the appeals that Bond has for women, however, is that he is decisive, cruel even. By their nature women aren't decisive -- "Shall I wear this? Shall I wear that?" -- and along comes a man who is absolutely sure of everything and he's a godsend. And, of course, Bond is never in love with a girl and that helps. He always does what he wants, and women like that. It explains why so many women are crazy about men who don't give a rap for them."

In 1987, during an ABC-TV interview with Barbara Walters, the host asked Connery if his views had changed. He said no: "Not at all. I don't think [slapping is] that bad. I think that it depends entirely on the circumstances, and if it merits it....If you have tried everything else, and women are pretty good at this, they can't leave it alone, they want to have the last word, and you give them the last word, but they're not happy with the last word -- they want to say it again and get into a really provocative situation, then I think it's absolutely right."

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Henrygmark (talk) 05:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. out of scope for simple edit request, these are indeed controversial things to add to a biographical article on a living person and the sources used must be of high quality. Cannolis (talk) 02:55, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Why is this controversial? These are views he explicitly stated on two of the most public, international stages in existence - Playboy magazine and Barbara Walters, and which are consistent decades apart. It is pretty safe to say these are his views, the edit is his own words, in quote format. The sources are infallible. He said it on air, before many millions of viewers . Please implement this change. There are no objections - I think that indicates consensus.TMagen (talk) 09:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

It was removed long ago by John as being undue with this edit. It's also incorrect to say there's consensus when there's people in the section above and in the archives who argued against it. Stickee (talk) 10:21, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. There has been no further discussion or attempts to obtain a consensus, and I'm closing this request as such. Please, start a discussion, obtain consensus, then post a PER to have the edit made on your behalf (if needed). — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:37, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Where should this discussion take place? So far there are some pros here, no cons. No explanation why direct repeated quotes from the person himself is considered controversial... What would constitute consensus in this case?31.168.133.146 (talk) 15:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh, okay, I see. You mean here. Will do.31.168.133.146 (talk) 15:40, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Connery Violence Towards Women, History of & Opinion On

There is no mention of Connery's repeated statements about having slapped his wife around, and promoting slapping women around as his basic philosophy. I see there are other requests for edits on this above, and it has been suggested by Henrygmark to edit the entry to include the following:

In the November 1965 issue of Playboy magazine, Connery explained his views about women, saying, "I don't think there is anything particularly wrong about hitting a woman -- although I don't recommend doing it in the same way that you'd hit a man. An openhanded slap is justified -- if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it. I think a man has to be slightly advanced, ahead of the woman. I really do -- by virtue of the way a man is built, if nothing else. But I wouldn't call myself sadistic. I think one of the appeals that Bond has for women, however, is that he is decisive, cruel even. By their nature women aren't decisive -- "Shall I wear this? Shall I wear that?" -- and along comes a man who is absolutely sure of everything and he's a godsend. And, of course, Bond is never in love with a girl and that helps. He always does what he wants, and women like that. It explains why so many women are crazy about men who don't give a rap for them."

In 1987, during an ABC-TV interview with Barbara Walters, the host asked Connery if his views had changed. He said no: "Not at all. I don't think [slapping is] that bad. I think that it depends entirely on the circumstances, and if it merits it....If you have tried everything else, and women are pretty good at this, they can't leave it alone, they want to have the last word, and you give them the last word, but they're not happy with the last word -- they want to say it again and get into a really provocative situation, then I think it's absolutely right."

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and there are these sources as well, and many other high quality sources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo0d1zTAFKA and http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/17/arts/television/barbara-walterss-farewell-and-legacy.html

I understand this was mentioned and removed in the past - I don't understand why, and strongly feel this needs to be revisited. If it was a rumor I'd agree, but these are repeated statements, in Connery's own words, over decades. I can't imagine that if someone was a member of a Nazi party or the KKK (proven to be so) this would be omitted - it is beyond me how misogyny and violence towards women should be treated any differently than racism. Other reasons given - WP:UNDUE. Well - it also cannot do harm to the man's reputation, as this is something he has strongly reiterated time and again, not something being said about him. It is not a minority view, it is not biased (again - his volunteered view regarding an hugely important issue, in direct quotes), it is not controversial in the sense of pseudo-science or religion... I'm not buying it.

If it wasn't clear - this is my attempt at opening a discussion and achieving consensus as instructed above. Please weigh in.TMagen (talk) 16:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree. if it's a real quote of his I don't see why shouldn't it be a part of the article. Danveg (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Didn't Diane Cilento corroborate Connery's claims? The matter was rather glaring in its absence from the article.Keith-264 (talk) 23:47, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Draft some language you'd want included. the issue in the past has been that the language has been a rather extreme interpretation of what from the sources is a somewhat nuanced position. SPACKlick (talk) 20:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

SPACKlick - What's wrong with the text suggested above? There is zero interpretation (never mind extreme), it is a direct quote from the transcript of an interview of the most watched (at the time) TV journalist in the world. TMagen (talk) 09:15, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

And from a printed interview in the most widely read men's magazine... Which he later corroborated himself. TMagen (talk) 09:20, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

There are plenty of sources:Connery, that one carries not only the quote from above but also his wife's report of having been beaten unconscious. It's fundamentally integral to his bio at this point to include such information from these multiple reliable sources found across decades....02:35, 1 May 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.239.17.190 (talk)

Supports Gun Control

This should be brought up. http://www.gunsandammo.com/uncategorized/8-surprising-anti-gun-celebrities/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.94.158.182 (talk) 19:53, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Why should it be brought up? I think most of the world supports gun control, particularly outside the USA. Destynova (talk) 11:03, 13 January 2015 (UTC)