Talk:Western world

Isn't the choice of imagery a bit, y'know, US-centric?

I mean, seriously. Greece, Rome, the Supreme Court of the United States?

Were we to jump back a century or so and swap in upper-class images of London, we'd look at it with disdain now as a bit of imperialist propaganda. This really could use changing a bit- perhaps with the addition of some contemporary European imagery? There's more to the Western world than classical/faux-classical architeture.

Views on Turkey

All of the "views on Turkey section seem to support Turkey being a "western" country. If this section is not deleted for simply provided undue weight to an obscure topic/debate then it will also need to have some information and POVs from people who don't view Turkey as a Western country.Monopoly31121993 (talk) 13:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Proposed replacement of the United States Supreme Court picture

I'm not entirely sure the picture of the United States Supreme Court should be placed alongside the Parthenon and Roman Forum. I mean outside of the United States, the Supreme Court has/ has had very little influence on the Western world. Would a picture of a Cathedral such as St. Peter's Basilica be more appropriate seeing as the lead says "The concept of the Western part of the earth has its roots in Greco-Roman civilization in Europe, and the advent of Christianity" not "The concept of the Western part of the earth has its roots in Greco-Roman civilization in Europe, and the advent of the United States"? Tomh903 (talk) 21:04, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

December 2014

I removed the claim of doubts whether former communist countries in Central Europe are or are not part of Western Civilization. Of course, they ARE part of Western Civilization. Forty years of unhappy episode could not erase previous thousand years of history! Period. More precisely, if you want to know what part of article I removed, it is this: "Also, there is debate among some as to whether Central and Eastern Europe (CEE) is in a category of its own." Source of these doubts are allegedly these articles: This: Ghost of second-class status haunts central and eastern Europe and this: Agriculture in Transition: Land Policies and Evolving Farm Structures in Post-Soviet Countries, Lexington Books, Lanham, MD (2004), J. Swinnen, ed., Political Economy of Agrarian Reform in Central and Eastern Europe, Ashgate, Aldershot (1997). So there is one article about threat of second class status within EU and two about agriculture in these countries after fall of communism. There is NO source proving that there is any doubt whether former communist countries in Central Europe belong or not belong to Western Civilization. IMHO it is beyond all reasonable doubt that these countries BELONG to Western Civilization. I further erased these sentences: "An argument supporting Central and Eastern Europe being a part of the "West" is that Central European, Baltic, Eastern European, and Southeastern European countries such as Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Poland and Romania are now part of the European Union and NATO, which mostly comprise Western countries." It is definitely not the main argument for belonging of these countries to Western Civilization. The main argument is that these countries for more than thousand years of their histories belonged to Western Civilization and the only period when they were under non-western influence were mere forty years of Soviet oppression. I further removed following sentence which is utter nonsense: "These countries were lately both influenced by and influenced the Western World, and share sociological values. The culture however is remarkably different than in the Western Civilization." For your information Czech culture is actually remarkably similar to Austrian and Bavarian culture and forty years of Soviet oppression could not change this fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.103.34.73 (talk) 00:21, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Pile o' changes

So, there's a huge pile of changes [1]. By 3 new redfolk, with no edit summaries. Including such non-obvious changes as Russia and Eastern European countries like Bulgaria, Ukraine, Belarus, Serbia or Romania are often not counted politically as a part of the Western World changed to The Russian culture (particularly literature, music, painting, philosophy and architecture) is classified as a part of the Western culture. Those two change I've bolded look very dubious and make me suspect the rest. There are number of other footling changes - pointless cn's. Removal of It should also be noted, however, that the integration of Turkey with the West can be traced back to the 18th century, during which the Ottoman Empire was actively engaged in Westernization isn't justified. In a 2010 interview given to The Times newspaper of the United Kingdom, President Abdullah Gül of Turkey stated that his country is part of the West has been removed with no explanation William M. Connolley (talk) 18:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

"Russia and Eastern European countries like Bulgaria, Ukraine, Belarus, Serbia or Romania are often not counted politically as a part of the Western World" - Removed because the citation mentioned Russia only not the other countries. (And politically: Bulgaria and Romania - EU and NATO members; Serbia - EU candidate state)(And it was connected to the points explained by the previous section December 2014)

"President Abdullah Gül of Turkey" - Removed because it is not neutral point of view. The Bzezinski statement is not biased point of view and is kept.

Removal of It should also be noted, however, that the integration of Turkey with the West can be traced back to the 18th century, during which the Ottoman Empire was actively engaged in Westernization." - Simply not in the citation given.

Laceduaneno (talk) 18:30, 2 August 2015 (UTC)