Talk:Ultimate (sport)

Headings

I've long disliked the state this article is in, so I'm going to try to revamp it a bit. The first thing that must be done is figuring out what warrants inclusion into the article. Looking at Chess, an FA, as a model, I would go in this order: Rules (not including variants), Strategy, History, Competition (with subsections on different levels of play, tournaments, etc.) and Variants. I'm not sure where Spirit of the Game should be, perhaps a subsection of Rules. If no one says anything, I'm going to be bold and start. Mm40 (talk) 12:54, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I've removed the section on spirit games, but left the spirit section, for now. I think it should be shortened to one sentence and included in a different section. Beach drifter (talk) 19:24, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm not so sure Spirit Games should be edited out. It is a significant part of the Ultimate culture. In any case, if it is edited out then that paragraph should be renamed (done!) "Spirit of the Game", and not just "Spirit". There's a big difference.Dlivnat (talk) 21:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree, Spirit of the Game is a large enough part of ultimate that it needs some amount of coverage in the article. I'm not really convinced it need it's own section however. As for any other 'spirit' type things, I'm totally against them. Beach drifter (talk) 04:51, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

I've used the competition idea by Mm40. I made several level two headings into one, and made them level 3. The level 2 heading is "competition." On an unrelated note, I'm trying to find out about international college competition. ^~Gosox⁽⁵⁵⁾₍₅₅₎ 13:45, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

175 grams? 6 ounces? 15.432 grains? or perhaps $1.05387476\cdot 10^{26}$ atomic mass units?

I don't think that there's any need to write the disc's weight in anything other than grams.

• There are many measurement systems and units, but we can't write in all of them all the time
• The Ultimate disc is known world wide by players for weighing 175gr. If you ask an ultimate player how much an Ultimate disc weighs you'll get the answer in grams, regardless of where that player is from.
• look at stores that make and sell Ultimate discs in the US and Canada (Discraft, VC). They all write the weight in grams.

Unless anyone has any strong objections I will remove the (6 oz) note.Dlivnat (talk) 15:47, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree, remove, it. While the conversion is accurate, 175g is the only thing ever mentioned. Beach drifter (talk) 06:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Done.--Henry talk 21:24, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't have a strong objection to removing the 6 oz note (which is why I didn't start a new section with this being so old), but I would like to point out that this is the English language Wikipedia, and approximately 65% of English speakers use the US Customary Units as their primary system of measurement - 6 oz is far more informative to them than 175 grams. .אבי נ (talk) 16:22, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Defense or Defence?

Either way, the article must be consistent and we should stick to one way of spelling the word throughout the article. Personally, I vote for defense because:

• It is more common (113m results in google vs 52m for defence)
• The article in Wikipedia is spelled defense.
• In the UPA rules and website it is always spelled: defense.

I will change the section back to defense now. I suggest anyone who wishes to change this discuss it here first.Dlivnat (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Latest Addition

I've tried explaining to mimiken why their addition to the article is not notable enough for inclusion, that we can't list every long running pick up game simply because it is important to them or even notable locally. He/She continues to add the information back and I am unwilling to continue to revert. Beach drifter (talk) 19:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree. There's no reason to include this in the article.Dlivnat (talk) 10:55, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

The 'Origins' part of this page should be deleted so I did just that. Then I got called out for vandalism? WTF? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.102.35.94 (talk) 19:34, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Title

Does anyone else find the title really pretentious? The sport is frisbee -- 'ultimate' was added to distinguish the organized sport from playing it leisurely. At best, the wiki article should be "Ultimate Frisbee", with a parenthetical stating it's often shortened to "Ultimate". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.164.31.14 (talk) 18:33, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

The sport as played by two teams is called 'Ultimate Frisbee', or more commonly 'Ultimate' due to the fact that a company owns all the rights associated witht eh word 'frisbee' in conjuction with cpinning plastic discs. With all sports there is usually a distinction between organised sports and the same game played casually without the full set of rules, regulations and points system.Discojim (talk) 02:43, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Do people really give a damn about trademarks? Just title it Ultimate Frisbee! I mean, seriously! — Preceding unsigned comment added by VegetaSaiyan (talk • contribs) 22:30, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

I always assumed calling it 'Ultimate' was simply short for 'Ultimate Frisbee', but the trademark thing is a valid point. And I hear you VegetaSaiyan. Eaj15 (talk) 19:01, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

It's always been called Ultimate or Ultimate Frisbee, I understand the trademark issue, but Frisbee has become a generic term and sounds right, at least for someone that grew up with it. I suggest 'Disc ultimate'. It's more difinitive. I thought about 'Ultimate disc' but it sounds to much like a reference to the disc.Audra454 (talk) 15:25, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

WP: COMMONNAME states that we should use Ultimate Frisbee, due to it being more common. VegetaSaiyan (talk) 14:29, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

It's not more common, though. See:

• http://www.usaultimate.org/index.html
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Ultimate
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Ultimate_Disc_League

Also, why are we using capital letters for the name of this sport in the article? It's "baseball", not "Baseball"... trhaynes (talk) 21:45, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

another version of ultimate

Shouldn't "mini ultimate" be included as a variant? http://www.ultipedia.org/wiki/Mini_Ultimate — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.46.245.230 (talk) 20:37, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Sport of pussies?

the last sentence in the first parragraph reads "Many people have a tendency to view it as the sport of pussies." i know everyone is entitled to their opinion but doesnt that break some of the rules of wikipedia. should it remain like that? i did a quick google search for "sport of pussies" and it doesnt seem to be an idiomatic expression or slang or anything like that, most of the results sounded like porn, and this wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.48.210.197 (talk) 06:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Removed. --Closedmouth (talk) 06:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

AUDL

The AUDL (American Ultimate Disc League) will be playing it's inaugural season this fall. I believe it could be a noteworthy contribution to this article because it is the first attempt (to my knowledge) at a professional Ultimate league. Along with this, rule changes (such as the inclusion of referees) will significantly affect how the game is played. More information can be found here: http://theaudl.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=frontpage&Itemid=1. Kbraunnj (talk) 16:46, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Hoax - Epic Ultimate

I play Ultimate, and I have never heard of Epic Ultimate. The section has been added on 11th of July, by new members, with a lot of text for the section, and the outside Internet (including Ultipedia) knows nothing about it. It looks like a humorous hoax. --Zbraniecki (talk) 16:33, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Dimensions of the field?

I came to this page hoping to find the dimensions of a regulation-sized field and was disappointed. If anyone knows the field dimensions I think it should be included in the article. I'm back. I found the dimensions on a wiki commons page. If these are correct I believe it should be added. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ultimate_field.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.172.51.144 (talk) 01:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Done. Since you did the legwork and found what you were looking for, why didn't you contribute and add it yourself? Be bold. Mbarbier (talk) 20:06, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

History

This section is basically just a history of the Frisbee -- not of Ultimate Frisbee or organized play; I'm not sure what purpose it serves in its current form. L.cash.m (talk) 21:48, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

I think it's useful in that it provides an in depth explanation as to why "frisbee" is not in the sport's name. BenHochstedler (talk) 13:44, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

lede photo

The photo in the infobox is not ideal for several reasons. The soccer goal may be confusing to people not familiar with the game, everyone is facing away from the camera (perhaps this was intentional for anonymity, nevertheless it is distancing), the personal articles on the ground are distracting, and the angle of the shot is not ideal to view the play.

We need a new intro pic. Upload your favorite ulty shots.

Here's one (not the best) to get started:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/Ultimateplay.jpg/800px-Ultimateplay.jpg Ggpauly (talk) 02:42, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

The Ultimate in Japan article should be re-written not merged

Each country that plays ultimate should have their own article. This article Ultimate in Japan was either a bad translation from Japanese or written by someone that doesn't have English as their first language. The Japanese are great competitors in ultimate and other disc sports and this article needs a re-write with references. Facts are wrong, there's no way ultimate was introduced to Japan in 1969, at the earliest it could have been introduced would be in the mid to late 1970s. Where's the evidence that it was introduced, by who? league start ups? tournament dates? promotions? Joel Silver did not invent ultimate, Jared Kass did and taught Silver the game at summer camp. This was not written by someone that knows ultimate, the language is weird and I see evidence of vandalism. There are not enough references. Ultimate in Japan should have it's own article but it should be re-written with facts. 24.116.25.28 (talk) 12:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

The early history of Japanese ultimate should be included in the main ultimate article. Looking at the google translation of refs for the Ultimate in Japan article, it isn't clear that there is any early history of ultimate per se in Japan there (distinguished from frisbee sports in general in Japan). Why isn't a Japanese language version of Ultimate in Japan listed? If one exists that should be the main article on this topic (I would think). Tournament results of Japanese teams could be summarized there, optionally translated into an English language version. Recent wins for Japanese international teams are given in the ultimate article, however these should be replaced with more recent results in the future. Ggpauly (talk) 02:38, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree that the early history of ultimate in japan should be included in the main ultimate (sport) article. There is a Japanese language article ultimate アルティメット but no Japanese history and no references, just incomplete US Ultimate history. It's mostly just a "how to" article. I know that Japans Frisbee history begins in the mid 70s when Wham-O sent some demonstrators there and Japan sent their first team to compete at the WFC Rose Bowl 76-77.24.116.25.28 (talk) 12:03, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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