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This article is horrible.

What the hell happened?

This article used to be relatively decent. Now it just looks like a dead battlefield where ideological hardliners fought against each other and had to water everything down until nothing makes any sense. I'm not here to push my own ideology or perspective on what TRUE communism means, unlike some people on here.. I just came here to say that this article is a disgrace to Wikipedia and that this article now needs MAJOR work. Stop trying to promote your brand and just fix the article so it works for everyone. In the mean time I hope to god no one ever comes here expecting to get first timer info on what communism is. --Mundopopular (talk) 19:22, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The number one criticism of Communism which I have heard countless times, is that it disincentivizes workers and citizens from being productive members of society. You may argue with that truth, but it is still deserving of being listed first under the criticisms section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.43.232.6 (talk) 14:44, 15 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Which is probably (not) why the USSR launched the first satellite.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:42, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
А также в области балета
Мы впереди планеты всей.
In other words, I smell a missing topic here. - üser:Altenmann >t 19:45, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"it disincentivizes workers and citizens from being productive members of society."
Bullshit. Wikipedia is a counter-example. It is unbelievable how many people work for fun. The problem starts when some other people start killing you when you refuse to have fun. And this has nothing to do with communism. (Or, in a way it does: communism does not have built-in mechanisms against evil. Because evil is not supposed to exist during communism.) In other words: there never was communism and the statement cited is not even wrong. A more meaningful statement would be: "socialism disincentivizes workers and citizens from being productive members of society". And the latter statement is a falsifiable one. - üser:Altenmann >t 19:45, 3 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting phenomenon - missing information about communist-occupied Poland

An interesting phenomenon can be observed in the article. The phenomenon is that you're unable to find any information about the comminust murderers who killed hundreds thousands of Polish people in the years 1939-1989. Communism in Poland was a very fierce and ruthless regime, which took lifes of many many families (only one ethnic cleasing would perish around 20.000-25.000 people, and there were a few such events). After the war, a lot of Polish heroes who faught against the nazi occupation and against the soviet regime, were simply executed like some criminals (see: Witold Pilecki). The communist persecuted the Polish ex-Home Army guerrillas and tried to execute them all. Communists also repressed the average Polish citizens who were too patriotic or too religious. Nearly all of the Jews who survived the German-Nazi occupation, became communists after the WWII. Many Jewish communists such as Józef Różański, were high-ranked NKVD officers and colonels, who personally tortured and murdered the Cursed soldiers - Polish war heroes and patriots. Why isn't the dark side of communism mentioned in context of the communist persecution of Poles? 192.162.150.105 (talk) 11:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a general text about Communist ideology. If you interested in the particular implementation of Communism in Poland, you may want to start from Polish People's Republic, Communist crimes (Polish legal concept), Institute of National Remembrance, Lustration in Poland among the major ones. - üser:Altenmann >t 06:44, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think, that the communist crimes against the Polish nation were exceptional and very remarkable. Hundreds thousands of victims and the whole nation oppressed for about 50 years after the WWII. It should be definitely stated in the article. As I see, there is not even a one sentence about it. 192.162.150.105 (talk) 10:00, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that's why the ex-Communists were voted back into government in the 1990s.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:35, 5 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, well. I just hope someone really takes care about this and put this important aspect inside the article, as communism in Poland was the most harsh type of communism in all communist-occupied Europe. It was because the Poles didn't want to surrender so easily as the Yugoslavs. 192.162.150.105 (talk) 11:27, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Communist Party of Brazil currently governs a state after winning its first state election for governor in 2014

This should be added. They elected communist Flavio Dino as governor of the Maranhao state. The article only mentions the party's presence in the Brazilian Congress, but they also have executive power now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.17.116 (talk) 23:57, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism

Is this even a seirous section? I'm not even going to get into the whole "slow or stagnate technological advance (USSR winning the space race), or reduce prosperity (Cuba being #64 out of 193 countries in the UN GPD world rank)" nonsense. But come on, all the references to criticism are based either on liberal economical theory or capitalist propaganda. Criticism is needed, yes, but is this supposed to be taken as a neutral article ...or is it all just a big joke? Engalazillo (talk) 17:50, 6 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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