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Nanking Massacre images

Hi. Thanks for listing the "Body everywhere.jpg" picture - I wasn't sure what to do, as Mib was partly abusing his admin powers to undelete without cause.

However, as a side-note, another picture that I listed for deletion was Image:Nanjing ditch.jpg. Now the image on wikipedia was successfully deleted, but it has a counterpart on the Commons site which is just as dubious. I have listed that for speed deletion too, but I have noticed that there is a massive backlog on Commons with such a listing. Is it possible to ask some admins to deal with the backlog, or are Commons listings normally purged/deleted at less frequent intervals.

Just curious if there was anything I could do to resolve the issue, rather than have it drag on for months (with tags removed by third-parties again). John Smith's 16:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, what are you refering to? I haven't reverted any tags since you protected the image. John Smith's 17:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

You implied I was still reverting, which I didn't understand. But I'm clear on what you meant now, and, sure, I'll use the alternative method of reporting pictures.

So what you're saying is that Berne Convention means that it is the duty of the external website to ensure the material is properly copyrighted, etc and not a website like wikipedia? John Smith's 17:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

And can you please have a look at the following request and check as to whether it is suitable or not? [1] John Smith's 17:22, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, you mean copyrighted once scanned or whatever. Ok, well that makes all the difference then. By the way, does the deletion request appear "valid"? I'm not sure what exactly is an acceptable argument on that page. John Smith's 17:30, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm just as much a stranger to Commons practices as you, but that request sounds okay. Kimchi.sg 17:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'm much more glad to be doing this "by the book" now. Thank you for pointing out the error of my ways - apologies for causing more stress and work on your part. :) John Smith's 17:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Awww, thanks!

..for the barnstar.  :) NawlinWiki 18:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Enforce inclusion of categories

Hi, I've made a proposal to change the software to prevent mainspace pages from being saved unless they contain a category. Since you're appreciative of categorization, I'd appreciate your thoughts! bd2412 T 23:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Template:Ar

Hey nice. I had been looking for missing unprotected stuff on the main page after finding a dot on a dotmap not protected. Then {{pokenum}} slipped through the cracks. {{Ar}}, however, won't be getting abused. Kevin_b_er 09:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I haven't bothered to find out who or why it got included on {{Wikipedialang}}. It might have been there a long time already. *shivers* Kimchi.sg 10:09, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Found it... was in there since Jul 23. [2] Kimchi.sg 10:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Would it be possible to substitute the Ar template on the main page so it could be unprotected? Its otherwise not that bad of a template (yeah it could be otherwise vandalised, but its not that high risk). Kevin_b_er 04:22, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps. It's just one line of code with one parameter. I'll do it and hope no one objects. Kimchi.sg 09:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Ketuanan Melayu

Hey, I know you're busy right now, but since you were one of the few people who responded to this article's peer review some time ago, I thought I'd let you know that Ketuanan Melayu is now on FAC. If there's anything we can improve on, please drop me a line. :) Johnleemk | Talk 14:50, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Deletion of >7 day tagged fair use images

Nice to see somebody else doing this work. Thank you! --Durin 17:46, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

My pleasure. :) Kimchi.sg 17:55, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

• Good grief! 1000s of them? I'm going to give you a keyboard with a golden delete key! Wow! You got an edit assist thing to help you delete or something? I delete in groups of 30, and one group takes me about 8-10 minutes. --Durin 18:02, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

There's a lot, but I use the keyboard shortcuts (available in the monobook skin) to edit/delete the files so my arm doesn't break at the end of the day.

<spam> Opera seems to be the nicest browser with regards to Wikipedia keyboard shortcut support - although the monobook skin remaps all the shortcuts into Shift+Esc+<X> instead of other browsers' Alt+<X>. If you press Shift+Esc it gives a nice menu of all the shortcuts available. </spam>Kimchi.sg 21:51, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Re : Redirects left over from moving pages

Thanks for the reminder. I almost forgot about it given that it's a long time since I done procedual pagemoves. - Best regards, Mailer Diablo 16:35, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Tom Daly

Why did you delete my stub article Tom Daly? He was mayor of the 10th largest city in California. I thought you had to nominate an article for deletion and allow people to comment on it first.--Plainsong 01:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

It was nominated for deletion and the consensus was to delete. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Daly. Kimchi.sg 02:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the unblock

I feel like the Murphy's law of wikipedia, because I get blocked once a week for stuff I don't do. --scareslamfist 18:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Why you have delete the image ?

Why you have deleted the image and said it is with unknown copyrights? It has fair use tag with it. The selected tag of fair use describe the image in a good way. Hence I am not satisfied with your cateria of deletion and hence going to upload it again. --- Faisal 23:50, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Fleur de lys window

Hi!

With regard to that window, it's a bit of a puzzle to me as to what constitutes free and fair use of an image of an artwork.

I was the photographer in this case. But this photograph is not an artwork. It's simply a straight-on good shot of the subject. The subject is a window which looks medieval. Most people who photograph it, probably several hundred times a week, would think that it was 700 years old and publish it without as such without hesitation. But I happen to KNOW that it was created about 1986.

I can't, in all honesty, claim the artwork because I took the photo. I'm an artist myself. On the other hand, because this window has been installed in a uniquely significant building (the first church in the Gothic style), it has become an almost-public work of art, like the Eiffel Tower, Nelson's Column and the ten new statues of 20th Century martyrs outside Westminster Abbey. The only real difference is that because these other things are outside, they are clearly Public Art. You can't stop the public from photographing the Abbey, just because you have created one of the statues that graces its facade.

In every church that one goes into, there are artworks both old and new. They are photographed and published all the time- particularly the stained glass. My case here is that it is Public Art and Fair Use, because it is an outstanding example of what it is, in a building of unique significance.

I refuse to claim it as my own work.

I think it must be PD Art, but I'm not sure.

--Amandajm 12:47, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

When I uploaded the article in the first place, I made the date of it's creation and the reason it was being used perfectly clear.

But we are left with a grey area. What is the case for art works that occupy public spaces, are on public buildings or are part of tourist attractions? The statue that is currently on the 4th Plinth in Trafalgar Square, for example?

--Amandajm 12:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

They retain their copyright. The "publicness" of the location in which the work is displayed does not matter, once it has been made visible to the public (the act of "publishing" the work). Kimchi.sg 12:43, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Alternative picture?

Can you suggest a free use alternative for File:Darvel.jpg, which was deleted? Thanks. -- Britishagent 13:58, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

That image is easy to replace, hence why it's not allowed as fair use around here. Someone just needs to visit the town with camera in hand and snap a picture. Kimchi.sg 14:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Tom Daly

I substantially improved the article when I recreated it. I think my changes make the case that the article should not have been deleted...so if you won't reconsider your action, could you at least email me the text of the article so I can make my case wherever deletions are disputed? I don't seem to have access to it. Thanks.--Plainsong 19:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Got It Here

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=90377439—The preceding unsigned comment was added by License2Kill (talk • contribs) .

Is there another place where it's on, that doesn't require registration to view? Kimchi.sg 23:02, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Shadowclan

You deleted the Shadowclan page again after over a month of it having been recreated. What was the problem this time? Bagginator 23:09, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

It's created again with basically the same text. Still the same problem - no assertion of notability per our guidelines on groups articles. No mention of coverage in magazines, newspapers, anything. If you can't say in the article that Shadowclan has been mentioned in any media other than this website, even after the article has been existing for a month, maybe they really just doesn't deserve their own article. Kimchi.sg 23:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

We could do a side by side comparison but it wasn't recreated with basically the same text, unless I edited it wrong recently and put back the same text from the first draft, but I don't believe I did that. There is also other media that has mentioned Shadowclan and interviewed Shadowclan members. So you will put the article back up as long as a link is added to the Media interviews?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bagginator (talk • contribs) .

I'll restore it for listing on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Be very sure to add in whatever media references you have right away. Do not remove the articles for deletion box at the beginning of the page. Kimchi.sg 23:23, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, in the deletion page you write that no previous media articles were linked but there are currently two linked, one for Ultima Online and one for Dark Age of Camelot that were linked prior to deletion. Could you please correct this statement? Bagginator 01:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Please re-read my statement. I said "no references provided as of last deletion". This was the last deleted version and it indeed doesn't have any references. Kimchi.sg 01:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I take that back - This is a detailed mention of the clan. The last one doesn't count, it mentions the clan in less than a sentence. Kimchi.sg 01:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Gaming clans not notable.

Under the thread about Shadowclan deletion you refer to Shadowclan as a non-notable gaming clan. You then go on to point explain that if the notability of Shadowclan is not sourced then the page will be deleted. Under that two people vote for delete and give the reason that gaming clans are not notable.

This doesn't seem to fall under the reasoning stated for the possible deletion. Does an answer to these votes for deletion that have nothing to do with noteriety need to be answered? Bagginator 05:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I guess what i'm trying to point out is that it says this under articles of deletion Indeed, if you can address the points raised during the discussion by improving the article, you are encouraged to edit a nominated article but their criticism of the article isn't that it can be fixed in any way, which makes their comments particularly frustrating as they don't seem to follow the guidelines you posted at the outset.Bagginator 05:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Not all objections about articles in any AfD discussion are actable upon. Just concede that gaming clans are inherently not interesting enough for Wikipedia - there are too many of them. Kimchi.sg 07:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know there was an interesting enough clause at Wikipedia. Is this the new reason it will be deleted now since the other reason has been overcome?Bagginator 07:59, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure... and I'm not sure you've overcome the objections convincingly either. Don't press me for details. Lastly, there's no need to automatically write something in response to every delete comment - it makes you look silly. Kimchi.sg 08:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

To my knowledge I havn't written a response to any delete comment, could you be more specific?Bagginator 08:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I also think you should reconsider the AfD. Bagginator has worked hard to find many sources for the gaming clan's notability. Its Wikipedia's loss if the article is deleted.Bakaman _Bakatalk 14:46, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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AFDs made in Bad Faith

If one knows of an article that is nominated for deletion which has a strong suspecion of being made in bad faith, how would one try to address such without appearing to attack the nominator and detracting from the argument? What if there is a history of animosity between opposing parties involved in the article? Cufece 18:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Without knowing which AfD you have in mind, I suppose the antidote will be to say "keep" in the AfD, and then state why you believe it is made in bad faith (e.g. "nominator's only edits are to nominate obviously notable people for AfD", etc). If your claim is plausible, there are likely to be people who investigate it further. Kimchi.sg 21:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Dark and Shattered Lands

I just stumbled upon the discussion/deletion page for Dark and Shattered Lands and just thought that it should be kept as a page, even if it was originally created in bad faith. Even though its membership is small, it is a notable MUD within the mudding community and deserves an article.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Claymoney (talk • contribs) .

cyber bullying

My son has been the target of a cyber bully, who has attempted to create a damaging Wikipedia page with insulting words and profanity, as well as mailing it to a long list of hotmail associates.

Is there any way to find this person's ISP, so I can contact them with a complaint?

The offender is listed as gunzandswordz@hotmail.com, and was earlier the subject of an email to us from the wiki admin with this message:

javascript:ol('http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Jobb'); This page has been deleted and protected to prevent recreation for the reason specified below. If you would like to contest this decision, please see Deletion Review. Further information may be available by contacting the administrator who protected the page. Reason specified: "CSD A7 - biography with no assertion of notability, deleted 3 times today".

Please contact me, or let me know how to deal with cyber-bullying of this nature.

jjobb@sympatico.ca—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.230.21.31 (talk • contribs) .

RE: Image:Dr manzoor.GIF

Hi,

I am new to editting and creating new articles...Been a wikiGnome for quite sometime now...I am a student at Usman Institute of Technology in Karachi and the editor of our quarterly newsletter called "The BE Junction". Me and my sub-editor interviewed Dr.Manzoor sometime ago. We took about 5 pictures with my friend's camera phone. I think it was Nokia N90 but I could be wrong.

You can find another picture in the same setting and the transcript of the interview at:

http://uitec.pbwiki.com/Interview

Let me know if there is anything else I should do to fix the article. Please also check Usman Institute of Technology and fix any wiki formatting errors.

Cheers, M o b i 20:37, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Removal Of The Unblock Thing

Hi, I was wondering who I could complain to over the treatment from Dr. Glasgow. Vice President In Charge Of Office Supplies 23:42, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

IMO, There's not much you could complain about. He blocked you, then unblocked again with apologies. You could try the Administrators' noticeboard. Kimchi.sg 23:46, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

What to do?

Hey Kimchi, I'm not sure of procedure in this case - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xcellent. When i went there to vote Keep I noted the nominator has now advised he has withdrawn his nom after learning more about the subject. As you are very experienced on AfDs, what would you do? Close it as withdrawn nom? I really shouldn't because I oppose deletion (even tho I haven't actually posted a keep vote). Cheers. Moriori 23:45, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

The nomination gets closed once its nominator withdraws. I've closed it as withdrawn. Kimchi.sg 23:50, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for assistance. Sheesh, you must be busy.. Moriori 23:54, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

William S Sadler and Lena Kellogg

The photos that were uploaded are not copyrighted. They were free given by the family and in use for many years. I got them from our archive of the historical society.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hershberger (talk • contribs) .

Have they said that the photos are public domain? I would not wish to assume this. Kimchi.sg 13:43, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

The Urantia Book

I got this e-mail:

Wikipedia is about providing the major published views to readers and that very much includes views that are critical. I invite you to post to the discussion page of The Urantia Book article to provide suggestions about any large revisions you think are necessary. Thanks. Wazronk 04:14, 14 August 2006 (UTCRegarding the editing on criticisms.

This is an encyclopedia not a book review on Amazon. I looked on the website for the Roman Catholic church, the largest denomination of Christianity. They do not have a critical review section. Neither does Methodism, Presbyterian, Mormon, Hinduism, Tao, Congregationalism, Orthodox Christianity, or Lutheranism, etc. Why should this entry?

My two history of Dr Lena and William Sadlers have references and are supported by historical documents. The photos are in the public domain, there are no living heirs.

FYI for another reader's thread: As far as its classification, in the Religions list, it is probably from the in the Encyclopedia of Relgions by Gordon Melton, and Urantia and is listed as a splinter or branch of Seventh Day Adventist. But in the "American Religions Collection" at UCSB of which Melton founded, the Urantia Book Movement is listed as a separate organization that has never been affliated with the SDA and I am sure Melton will update that as well in his next edition.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hershberger (talk • contribs) .

That email wasn't from me, was it? You should copy this to Talk:The Urantia Book too - I don't edit that article regularly. Kimchi.sg 13:45, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

My upload

It is a promotional still used to promote the show. I didn't see that on the drop down list. The pic is used for promotional purposes.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by JohnnyBlaze (talk • contribs) .

Yes, you indicated that it is a copyrighted still image. But you haven't told us where you got it from. The source of the image is as important as what type of image it is. Kimchi.sg 02:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

P.S. Even if you told us the source, a TV still of an actress cannot be used in an article which is not mainly about the TV show. According to the fair use tag on the image, it can only be used "for identification and critical commentary on the station ID or program and its contents". Not in the actress's biography, whose main topic isn't the TV show. Kimchi.sg 02:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Angelo Frammartino

Two reasons to keep:

1) There is a developing controversy regarding the lack of coverage of his death, and

2) If this page deserves to be deleted, so too do the Tom Hurndall and Rachel Corrie pages. It's a double standard otherwise.

Clock Crew on deletion review

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Clock Crew. Since you closed the deletion discussion for (or speedy-deleted) this article, your reasons on how or why you did so will be greatly appreciated in the above review.