Talk:Mufaddal Saifuddin

News reports that officially there is no ex-communication by community as whole but only by mufaddal

However there is no official confirmation from Dawoodi Bohra community on the alleged ex-communication and progressive members have called a banned on this practice citing it as illegal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summichum (talk • contribs) 05:44, 21 February 2015

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Edits by Juzarbhai

Juzarsays “I try to keep all edits fair to both sides with NPOV but it is difficult to do so when bombarded with advertorial material such as what Muffizainu is adding.”. Once again, Juzarbhai is guilty of his is own accusation on me. It is evident that Juzarbhai’s intentions on this site are to malign the personality of Mufaddal Saifuddin. If however, his intentions were to publish information on Mufaddal Saifuddin, he could easily be doing so from multiple available sources, instead of deleting cited material.

It seems that his intentions may also be to protect the interests of Mr Taher Fakhruddin and Khuzaima Qutbuddin. Juzarbhai is the original creator of “Taher Fakhruddin” page on 4 April 2016‎ and his a frequent editor. However, he has misused the “Mufaddal Saifuddin” page to advertise the views of Mr “Taher Fakhruddin”. In fact, it is Juzarbhai who is guilty of posting “advertorial material” on another persons page.

For example, his most recent edit: "For a period of time, Mohammed Burhanuddin may also have sent him to receive spiritual instruction from his half-uncle, and rival claimant to the position of Da'i al-Mutlaq, Khuzaima Qutbuddin.[5][6]" I have deleted this edit, as the article clearly says that these sessions weren't "Not regularly. But only once in a while". Juzarbhai's edit "may have also sent him" are one sided assumptions and Juzarbhai should stick to the facts. It is also important to note that that is Khuzaima Qutbuddin's claim, it is not the court's nor the media's position, The media is simply quoting him. Juzarbhai's intentions are clearly only to advertise Khuzaima Qutbuddin. If Juzarbhai considers this as one of Khuzaim Qutbuddin's lifetime achievements, he has the liberty to post “advertorial material” on Khuzaima Qutbuddin's page.

Similarly, in regards to the FGM section, there is no necessity to mention the views of Taher Fakhruddin's position on another personality in this page. That portion should be deleted.

• It does not involve claims about third parties (such as people, organizations, or other entities).
• It does not involve claims about events not directly related to the subject.

Juzarbhai may have forgotten to add the FGM section on the “Taher Fakhruddin” page where it is more apt, I have added it there.

Muffizainu (talk) 04:59, 5 June 2016 (IST)

Muffizainu, thank you for adding the FGM section to the Taher Fakhruddin page, it is indeed appropriate to add there and I thank you for your contribution. Wikipedia is a public forum and anyone is welcome to post properly verified content about any subject, in line with Wikipedia's norms.

With regard to your accusation about my giving any one side preference over another, can you please point to a single edit I have made which is not neutrally stated and properly sourced. Even the edit you mention regarding the education above, was written with "may have" because it was the claim of one person as given in a news source. I do not consider anything I've posted a lifetime acheievement, I am not sure where you got this from. It was relevant to the Early Life of Mufaddal Saifuddin as education is always a matter of relevance, so I posted it giving it due mention that this "may have" been the case, and giving the appropriate, publicly verifiable citations.

The same article you say which "Not regularly. But only once in a while", also goes on to say that they were regular during one period of time, and that the over period was about ten years, which I think is a significant period of time. So while accusing me of being one sided, please don't cherry pick quotes out of a wider context to justify this.

Muffizainu says that "it is not the court's nor the media's position", but this is how press articles are reported and Muffizainu has no qualms about using similar types of materials when they are in favour of his argument.

I have no intention of maligning the personality of anybody. I am only adding material to articles which is cited and sourced and based on fact, and if Muffizainu considers that to be maligning, then I can only say that it is not me who is doing the maligning but the facts and sources themselves.

Again, I welcome Muffizainu and all other editors to please call me out if any of my edits are not properly cited. However, if an edit is properly cited, and relevant to the topic, then please don't summarily delete it just because you don't agree with it.

Muffizainu has accused me of deleting cited material. Please clarify where I have done this. For record, books which are not made available to the general public are not verifiable sources for the purposes of Wikipedia.

Juzarbhai (talk) 02:52, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Juzarbhai said: "can you please point to a single edit I have made which is not neutrally stated and properly sourced." One example would be the following in the education His secular education includes partial completion of his secondary schooling. This edit had no source, where as I had cited a source which wasn't acceptable as per the guidelines. Since this is now deleted and mutually agreed, there's no point discussing this further. Muffizainu (talk) 011:55, 5 June 2016 (IST)

Noted on this, I think it may be the only one. If there are any others please let me know. Let's close this matter now and move on. Juzarbhai (talk) 07:25, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

Juzarbhai continues to add the opinion of another personality, Taher Fakhruddin in the FGM section. This page is about Mufaddal Saifuddin. There is no need to add the views of another Muslim sect on this page. There are hundreds and can be mentioned on their own pages independantly, or create an article about practices in the Islami community. I have added the information on Taher Fakhruddin page as it is only relevant there. Juzarbhai thanked me for this.

Muffizainu (talk) 10:16, 7 June 2016 (IST) I have deleted an edit by Juzarbhai where he added a statement by Farzana Doctor. Tee article clearly states that she's an author, and Juzarbhai's edit states she's "A doctor in Toronto belonging to the community". There is also no eveidence that she belogs to the community. Hence, her statement is irrelevant. Muffizainu (talk) 20:24, 8 June 2016 (IST)

This is my mistake in writing, thanks for pointing out the error and I have fixed it and changed to social worker rather than doctor. This was a simple solution that you could also have done yourself and is also the correct solution rather than deleting it entirely. You say there is no evidence she belongs to the community but the article says so. If you start questioning this type of thing then anything said in any press article is up for debate and we may as well delete the entire Wikipedia entry on Mufaddal Saifuddin as it is based primarily on press articles. Juzarbhai (talk) 20:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2016

62.215.195.28 (talk) 11:27, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Not done: You have not made any request, and it's not protected either. INVISIBLE^knock! 11:47, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

My Edits

I happy to contribute to this biography, but i tried drafting this in a word doc and now doing it in sandbox and need some help making the article neutral as well as correcting the code, even the footnotes have got messed up in the process. I've created a Sandbox where I'll be drafting. You'll are free to suggest how to better my editing This is my sandbox link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Muffizainu/sandbox (talk) 10:27, 13 June 2016 (IST)

@Muffizainu: Sorry, but I don't think anyone is going there. You just copy/pasted this article and DESTROYED all content there. If you want to make any proper change, edit directly on this article; and make sure you have reliable sources. INVISIBLE^knock! 15:08, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

I was choosing a biography in this topic area to edit and was about to write something about this biography given my interest in this topic as a part of my college assignment but then I saw all these comments on talkpage. I think this current article really needs coherence. I am proficient in html, so I think I might be able to help. I have no personal point of view regarding the topic which may be a good thing. I also see what Mr. Muffizainu did in his sandbox, but I think he did not copy the full html markup with the file. If you can correct that, redo your edits in a fresh copy of the article in your sandbox you will be able to avoid direct editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Immmmanuel (talk • contribs) 19:41, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Would like to add the following: "Mufaddal Saifuddin was named one of The 500 Most Influential Muslims[29] in 2014/15[30] and 2016[31]." And in the education section "graduated from The Institute of Islamic Studies at Al-Azhar University[3][c]" (Refer to my sand box for the references). Since it's in arabic, how best to do it?

(talk) 11:33, 14 June 2016 (IST)

I was able to extract the references from your sandbox and added the detail to this article. I think this is what you wanted. After reading all the comments above, I think this article will need as many credible references as possible and a rewrite in some areas. I will be researching other references you gave and doing that impartially. Please let me know if any one can help. --Immmmanuel (talk) 10:03, 14 June 2016‎ (UTC)

I have made some more non controversial changes to the article to make it look a bit more like good encyclopedia articles. I will try to format it a bit better. If you or any one else have more information like you are sharing in your sandbox, please send the link here. --Immmmanuel (talk) 09:52, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you. I have made an edit on the Sandbox. Can the following changes be added?

(In the intro) He succeeded (http://themuslim500.com/downloads/2011-low.pdf), not without dispute, to the office after his father, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, who passed away in 2014. [3] http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Syedna-suffers-stroke-names-son-successor/articleshow/8754141.cms He is the spiritual leader of 2.5 million people living in 100 countries. (Ref http://themuslim500.com/downloads/151001-TheMuslim500-2016v009(23%7C48)-Web-Low.pdf & http://themuslim500.com/downloads/m500-2014-low.pdf)

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin conferred upon him the title of (Arabic: ثقة الدعوة الطيبية‎‎; Thiqat al-D'awat al-Tayyibiyah ) (meaning The Trusted of the Tayyibi Mission) and bestowed upon him the cognomen of “Saifuddin” (سيف الدين) on the 27th of Zil al-Qa'da 1385H corresponding to 18th March 1966.[17][18]

And a suggestion to add A sub heading as Aligarh Muslim University's new Chancellor --Muffizainu (talk) 21:33, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

I looked through history of article. I think some users may consider a separate heading for being the chancellor as promotional. I suggest that you create a heading named "career" as in many other articles. Then write your content in it. If there is a lot of content for his career as a chancellor, we can discuss about separate heading. I think other edits have good references. I have written other edits. See how I am adding to article, you can add yourself as well but you may need to try to be neutral as I gain from all above comments that neutrality is a must. --Immmmanuel (talk) 06:08, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

User:Summichum please do not revert everything as "whole sale blanking". You will need to point out what and why you are reverting and discuss it. I see that you have a problem with alma mater. Please explain. But do not blank other details as they do not have anything to do with this. --Immmmanuel (talk) 10:19, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

User:Immmmanuel, it appears you inserted incorrect references in the Awards section, possibly due to some confusion or mistake in my sandbox. I have corrected them.Muffizainu (talk) 00:04, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

I have made some small edits on this page and have been reading the page since a while. I feel that the material regarding FGM and succession needs some pruning since it appears to be in violation of wiki policies. They are merely a collection of statements without context to the biography of the subject. Taha Shoeb 10:16, 20 June 2016 (UTC)