Talk:Mufaddal Saifuddin

News reports that officially there is no ex-communication by community as whole but only by mufaddal

However there is no official confirmation from Dawoodi Bohra community on the alleged ex-communication and progressive members have called a banned on this practice citing it as illegal — Preceding unsigned comment added by Summichum (talk • contribs) 05:44, 21 February 2015

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Ashara 2020

Reg edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/977540688?diffmode=source

WonderfulInfo is not a reliable source. See: WP:RS.

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there have been no appearances or live broadcasts of Saifuddin since 13 March 2020

supported by whereis dot ms which is not a reliable source, and most likely WP:FRINGE.

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Whereas Saifuddin has made live broadcasts on many previous occasions,

Uncited.

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no new wa'az was delivered within the Dawoodi Bohra community. Instead, Saifuddin directed that old recordings of wa'az from previous years be streamed via the internet to mourners. He opted for recordings of Taher Saifuddin, Mohammed Burhanuddin, Yusuf Najmuddin (his father-in-law and the erstwhile rector of Aljamea-tus-Saifiyah), and recordings from 2019 or earlier of himself to be broadcast online. Saifuddin did not address the community

Wrongfully attributed. The sentence here and what's in the supporting source https://timesofindia.com/city/mumbai/covid-19-impact-dawoodi-bohras-to-listen-to-muharram-sermons-of-syednas-at-home/articleshow/77638647.cms don't add up at all.

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Also, this edit, in my opinion, based on facts or not, is close to a journal entry and not encyclopedic per WP:DIARY / WP:PLOT.

The edits need to absolutely abide by strict rules in place for biographies of living persons WP:BLP. And that's besides WP:RS, WP:NOR, and WP:NOT.

I request other editors to reach consensus here on the talk page before proceeding to make any further related edits. Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 13:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you Murtaza.aliakbar for pointing out the deficiencies in the sources. I have now cited other sources which I hope you will agree are far more reliable. There is no original research in the latest edit that has been uploaded, and the content is not a journal entry. It is important because the practice this year 2020 was very different to previous years, and thus notable. A day by day journal of the Ashara events would not be OK but this is not what has been added.

The WP:FRINGE comment of yours does not apply, the page says "fringe theory is used in a very broad sense to describe an idea that departs significantly from the prevailing views or mainstream views in its particular field". Could you please clarify what idea is presented that is not mainstream? Or what fact is presented that is incorrect? Or has anything been presented without taking NPOV into account? If you feel part of the edit is biased can you please identify it?

I would request that instead of deleting the text in question, you instead help by improving it, with proper citations of course, as you say. Other editors also welcome. Mohsinsaifee (talk) 06:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

@Mohsinsaifee: Thanks. whereis do ms is never in a million years a WP:RS. Whatever is cited from that page does not hold water. Imagine what Wikipedia would be if I could buy a domain, write whatever I want to and host it, and then use it to cite it all over. Doesn't fly. So, that's going away.

Also, please reach consensus, that is, discuss first and then edit. As the edit stands, it is redundant with another edit made days ago. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mufaddal_Saifuddin#cite_note-160 So, do not take it personally that your edit is made redundant and hence removed.

If you're having trouble understanding what WP:NOR means, I encourage you to visit WP:TEA and ask around. For example, the edit cited a couple of webpages of Uganda and France jamiats for for the first time in at least half a century and that is exactly what original research looks like: Those webpages say nothing of the sort. In another instance, the edit goes Instead, Saifuddin directed that and there's nothing in the two cited sources about "Saifuddin directing" anything.

In another instance of WP:NOR, the edit simply points to a misbah_info instagram post which has nothing to do with the sentence it cites: there have been no public appearances or live broadcasts of Saifuddin since 13 March 2020 ... and so on and so forth.

I appreciate your effort, but given the amount of energy already spent on this edit (redundancy notwithstanding), I'd advise you reach consensus before making any more edits live. Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 10:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Significant primary sources

There are 170+ cited sources in the article, of which, I consider ~18 self-published (books) and ~3 by thedawoodibohras.com, jameasaifiyah.edu, misbah.info each. Unclear which other sources are considered primary, but doesn't seem like there's "significant" use of primary sources] here.

@Ravensfire: og Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 11:34, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

Several of those are used multiple times. Honestly, I don't care anymore, do as you wish. This area is a walled garden that's had the walls knocked down some, but it's still there. I'm unwatching this entire area. Ravensfire (talk) 13:09, 5 October 2023 (UTC)