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Questions about section title 'Legal obstacles to Crimea annexation'
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Would it be possible to give the section Legal obstacles to Crimea annexation some more appropriate title, like Political obstacles to Crimea annexation?
Note that in the Wikipedia article Texas annexation, there's no discussion of 'Legal obstacles' although there's plenty of reference to the politics (within states and between national powers) of the era. For the reference of those editors unfamiliar with American and Mexican history, the Texas annexation was an event in which the majority of the local people were in favor of annexation of a disputed territory by a foreign government, while many outsiders were not. It was somewhat analogous to the current situation with Russia and Ukraine, although of course Russia does not have a slave population as America did at the time Texas was annexed. It seems like whatever nominal rules the Wikipedia has for section titling should surely apply the same way to the annexation of Crimea the way they do to the annexation of Texas. Son of eugene (talk) 17:13, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Kosovo set a precedent. SaintAviator lets talk 03:21, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
For Ukraine the Crimea is gone, forever. They wont get it back. Kosovo was a legal precedent. SaintAviator lets talk 03:30, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Thus, Kosovo represents a "Legal thumbs up to Crimea annexation". SaintAviator lets talk 03:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
SA, repeating something over and over does not make it true, or verifiable. WP:NOTAFORUM.Volunteer Marek (talk) 05:10, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
Can someone explain the point of this discussion to me? Is it just a request to change the word "legal" to the word "political" in a section title? Volunteer Marek (talk) 22:47, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
No it isnt but bitterness may explain POV. If you cant see why this sort of point needs to be in there somewhere........... well lets see. 'Nonetheless, it’s also true that Kosovo has created something of a precedent for other governments to exploit if they choose. The example set by the Kosovo war and the later recognition of Kosovo’s independence is simply this: a state or group of states can illegally force a weaker one to relinquish control over part of its own territory in response to purely internal affairs, and then separate that territory from the rest of the country against the wishes of its government. Russia is now throwing this in the face of Western governments, just as it did in 2008, partly because it sees an opportunity for belated payback for intervening in Kosovo in the first place, and partly because it finds the opportunity to rail against double standards–while indulging in the same–too tempting to ignore'. [4] SaintAviator lets talk 03:49, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
Gregor Schirmer a German scholar of international law rejects the Thesis of an Annexation.--Feminismuskritiker (talk) 15:00, 13 October 2016 (UTC)
"The West recognized Kosovo’s secession from Serbia as legitimate, arguing that no permission from a country’s central authority for a unilateral declaration of independence is necessary. Same deal Crimea. Its a legal precedent." Hold ur horses body, this is not the words that the international court have used. Serbia have turned to the international court to get a ruling on the declaration of independence of Kosovo and if it violates the international law, and the court have ruled that the international law is about relations between states and not about domestic affairs, and since Kosovo is a domestic affair therefore it is not a violation of international law. The international law cannot rule on what is going on inside Serbia. Crimea on the other hand was invaded and occupied by Russian Federation, so it's a different story.94.139.128.110 (talk) 01:33, 16 October 2016 (UTC) @Sivio1973, I hope you speak German: Friedens AG: Gregor Schirmer: Nicht legal aber legitim @94.139.128.110 No Crimea was not invaded and annexated by Russia. Russia supported the Secession of Crimea which was advocated by a Majority of Crimeans. Representative Polls of different Foreign Research Institutes in Crimea showed that the Majority of the Population Majority wanted the Secession and the Association with Russia. The Thesis of an Annexation was disproved.--SBC Guy (talk) 15:14, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
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"Whilst the "little green men" were occupying the Crimean parliament building, the parliament held an emergency session.[107][108] It voted to terminate the Crimean government, and replace Prime Minister Anatolii Mohyliov with Sergey Aksyonov." once the russian troops took over the parliament building, i don't think it's correct to keep referring to it as "crimean parlament", or to call any processes that are happening inside as "parliament decisions", or "parliament voting" etc. the moment that russian troops took control over the building, it turned into an occupied object and nothing more. it's the same as to say "whilst armed people were occupying the local american bank building, the branch management held a meeting and decided to open the vault and give away all the money"... it's simply incorrect writing. U just write "armed robbery", or "the bank was robbed under a gunpoint".37.233.63.200 (talk) 14:18, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
remove saintaviator remarks
saintaviator is a troll, also he insulted ukrainians by calling them "fascists". Wikipedia is not a place for this kind of remarks.37.233.63.200 (talk) 14:03, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- Do not bother. If he keeps doing so I will ask for a sanction. --Silvio1973 (talk) 15:07, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Biased terminology, Reunification not annexation.
Biased terminology is used in this article starting with the title, which should be "Reunification of Crimea with the Russian Federation" (as it is called in Russia & Crimea). A referendum is a legal democratic process and calling it annexation is a disrespectful denial of the people's right to self-determination. The UN has absolutely no legal rights to invalidate this referendum. When Germany was reunified there was no referendum and the DDR has been completely erased as a country, yet we don't call it annexation. It's these biased dual standards that degrade the credibility and reputation of Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Congoclash (talk • contribs) 10:07, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- This is WP:SOAP. Please have the courtesy to read talk pages (and archived talk) before writing any form of comment. This has been 'expressed' (and I use the term assuming good faith on your behalf) ad nauseam already. "Do not use the talk page as a forum or soapbox for discussing the topic: the talk page is for discussing how to improve the article, not vent your feelings about it." Thank you kindly for your attention. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
- did west germany invaded east germany? NO. Did Russia invaded Crimea? Yes. That's why it is annexation.212.90.182.118 (talk) 05:10, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
Ukraine in violation of flight rules over the Crimea carries out missile firingwhich threatens in flights of passenger sides
1 2 December 2016 http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2826131 http://www.krsk.kp.ru/daily/26611/3628858/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.162.80.143 (talk) 14:17, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
- State run media does not qualify as WP:RS, but as a propaganda tool. Find some reliable sources backing up this claim. Also, read WP:SOAP. Hysterical talk page headers are not appreciated. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:21, 26 November 2016 (UTC)
- So?? What it has to do with the topic?212.90.182.118 (talk) 05:22, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
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This statement of the public opinion of Cimmerians may be influenced by the intimidation tactics of Russia and this is not made clear or shared on the page. 67.226.156.206 (talk) 23:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
- I don't think Conan is easily intimidated.Volunteer Marek (talk) 00:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- Not done, it is unclear what the request is.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:58, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Economic impact section
Has anyone else noticed that the section has become an illiterate piece of WP:OR weirdness which is WP:OFFTOPIC for the section? It's less relevant content than COATRACK pulled from raw data and unreliable sources. I'm seriously tempted to remove it and paste it to the talk page for discussion and development. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 19:37, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
- Okay, I see that the offending paragraphs have been removed as not being salvageable. Good move: I second it. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:20, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
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