Talk:Genocide

Genocide in South Africa

I would kindly like to inform you about the ongoing white genocide in the Republic of South-Africa. Since 1994, the end of the so-called Apartheid, whites people, especially white farmers, have been subject to extremely brutal and racist murders. About 50 people on average are murdered in South-Africa per day, of which at least 20 of them are whites(95+ % black on white murder rate). Please take into consideration that white people make up only 9% (4 500 000) of the demographics in South-Africa and therefore the white murder rate in South-Africa is quite significant. http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

This article is Bias towards the Holocaust and in denial of the White Genocide in South Africa.

The neutrality of this article is disputed as giving to much attention to the Holocaust and downplaying other holocausts like the The Holodomor in Ukraine and the white Genocide in South Africa.

The Genocide in South Africa is being perfected by calling the Genocide "ordinary crime" and ignoring other supporting Genocidal programs like Affirmative Action against a minority.

Here is an example of methods used by Zionists to edit Wikipedia. This method is used to propagandize the Holocaust and downplay the Holodomor, white genocide in South Africa, and other Genocides. The Palestinian Genocide will also not ne noted in this article, and all kinds of junk reasons used to censor the Palestinian Genocide: Course: Zionist Editing on Wikipedia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY

Terminology Error in Into

I think that the '80 UN nations' who have intergrated the UN Convention into their law did so into their 'DOMESTIC' law, not their 'municipal' law. I don't know how to make that change.

Ukrainian Genocide

Isn't the Ukrainian Holodomor a genocide?Holodomor

NataliyaKlymko (talk) 20:27, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

References

Did you see Holodomor genocide question?--Polmandc (talk) 05:36, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Did you see what Raphael Lemkin has to say about Holodomor? http://www.uccla.ca/SOVIET_GENOCIDE_IN_THE_UKRAINE.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Client42 (talk • contribs) 04:19, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

And? Your point being?--Ymblanter (talk) 08:01, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

It was, and many nations have officially called it such. With approx. 5-million victims (more than most of the other genocides listed), it is worth listing in the opening section of the article. I have added it.DoctorEric (talk) 20:48, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

"Intent to destroy" missing from lede – proposal to add

One of the most common misuses of term genocide in the media is ignorance or amnesia with respect to the "intent" part of the definition. The naive understanding is that, if a genocidal doesn't annihilate a group, that it somehow was "not genocide". For example, someone might believe, "Because there are Native Americans alive today, the United States did not eliminate all the Native American population, therefore the U.S.A. cannot be guilty of genocide against the Native Americans." This logic is incorrect, as the definition shows; the burden of proving genocide is to prove the intent to destroy… which is quite different than total destruction. I move that we should specifically include the word "intent" in the lede, as its a key part of the definition and is probably the most commonly misunderstood aspect of genocide among non-scholars. Objections / dissent? - Jm3 / 13:55, November 17, 2015‎ (UTC)

this is now done. - Jm3 / 01:58, November 26, 2015‎ (UTC)

Soviet POWs

I spotted a recent edit and it raised a question for me -- was the fate of Soviet POWs in WWII a genocide?

Here are a few sources:

• Adam Jones in Genocide: A Comprehensive Introduction includes the extermination of Soviet POWs discuss it as "the least-known modern genocides" (see Google book preview

• Cannot see if the author terms it genocide, but it's included in the context -- Doris L. Bergen: War and Genocide: A Concise History of the Holocaust (Google book

preview)

• Hitler's Forgotten Genocides: The Fate of Soviet POWs by Thomas Earl Porter: pdf online

• Soviet POWs on the Eastern Front, 1941-1942 -- This appears to be a research project / a course. From online description: "The Nazi leadership cadre planned for genocide against the Soviet Red Army well before the invasion"; "All in all, the Nazi genocide against Soviet POWs remains one of the greatest crimes perpetrated in the history of humanity." Cited in references: "Berkhoff, Karel C. “The “Russian” Prisoners of War in Nazi-Ruled Ukraine as Victims of Genocidal Massacre,” Holocaust Genocide Studies 15, no. 1 (2001): 1-32.

So it looks to me that at least some in the research community is beginning to look at the treatment of Soviet POWs as a genocide. Any feedback on this? K.e.coffman (talk) 04:47, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Wasn't it part of the greater genocide against slavs in particular? Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 08:40, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Odd one out

Well-known examples of genocide include the Holocaust, the Armenian Genocide, the 1971 Bangladesh genocide, the Cambodian genocide, and more recently the Kurdish Genocide, the Bosnian Genocide and the Rwandan genocide.

Now I'm not saying it's less valid or less of a genocide than the others, but one in particular stands out here. I have never heard of this Bangladesh genocide. Is it as well-known as the others there? Bataaf van Oranje (talk) 08:40, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

It is well known and doesn't stand out. Clicking the article might have helped in alleviating your ignorance.

Shopnochura (talk) 11:19, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Create the page aracial, it has nothing to do with the Holocaust so it deserves a separate page

Noun

1. Template:Lb Not accepting the racial nomenclature but only the empathetically humane (not necessarily genetically human) race. (not a "corporeal aracial" due to multiraciality but a "philosophical aracial", even a multiracial can be if doesn't focus on the flesh)

Ottoman Genocide

Hello, please remember the 2.5 million Ottoman Turks killed by the Armenians, Russians and others during the period of WWI. An article describing the details should be named as the Ottoman Genocide. -Ribbontool (talk) 17:44, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

kurdish genocide

I propose removing kurdish genocide in the lead beacuse even the article redirects to Al-Anfal campaign not to kurdish genocide. Genocide of Yazidis by ISIS could be replaced with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.105.170.64 (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Guenther Lewy reference

Sorry, I should have explained better my revert. Guenter Lewy is renowned scholar and academic who has specialized, inter alia, in history related to genocide. Some of his views are controversial and some people (myself included) feel that he has taken a rather narrow view of the term genocide. But the crude label “genocide denier” does not really apply. But for more than twenty years he has published widely on the issue in scholarly journals as well as other peer reviewed publications, examining carefully the definition of genocide as it is applies to mass murders. It is not surprising that there is some disagreement about his conclusions. This book brings together many of the articles he has written on the subject and is useful for most discussions relating to genocides and other mass murders. It is published by a university press which is why I previously used the term peer-reviewed. --Joel Mc (talk) 01:24, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Personal attack and removal of sourced content

In this edit sourced content was reverted [1] and a personal attack was done in the edit summary. The edits I did were not just as claimed by the user critical of Kurds, but also of Turks, Ottomans and Iraqi Army and Palestinians. What is commmon in the edits is that they were pro-Christian and pro-Assyrian, not that they were anti-Ottoman or anti-Kurdish. What was added is based upon reliable sources and found in other words in articles like Assyrian Genocide and Armenian genocide. Can I ask the user who reverted to give a policy based reason for the revert, and other users to comment? Thanks.

Also, the user is wrong that it is irrelevant, or it is opinion, but many historians have argued that kurdish-Assyrian animosity dating back decades or even longer have played a major role in such events. He cannot say that this irrelevant. See for example the section "The Kurds responsibility for the massacre" in Aboona, H (2008). Assyrians and Ottomans: intercommunal relations on the periphery of the Ottoman Empire. Cambria Press. And the British knew well of the generals anti-assyrian animosity, as do the Assyrians.

Can the image be added without mentioning that the general was Kurdish or that the army was Iraqi?

See the contributions of 87.189.128.42 (talk · contribs) and my comments on their talk page. The fact that an Iraqi nationalist was Kurdish is indeed irrelevant without reliable sources saying it is relevant. That's policy - WP:VERIFY etc. Doug Weller talk 15:59, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Assyrians have been attacked in the middle east by either Turkish, Kurdish or Arab generals or tribes for the most part, so I do not find it irrelevant, as there is a documented anti-assyrian animosity of these groups. Just ask any Assyrian human rights organization really. This source [2] says Bakr Sidqi is also accused of having tried to set up a Kurdish state in the north of Iraq, which would include the Kurds of Iran . Even your source notes that he was accused of Anti-arabism because he was Kurdish. This source [3] says he promoted kurds and turkomans until they were 90 percent, ...but [despite Bakr] Iraq could hardly be transformed into a kurdish or turkish state. Also your source is just one opinion. There could be otehrs.