Talk:List of Islamist terrorist attacks

Segregation

This article is long and very difficult to follow. I propose breaking the article based on organizations. Putting IJO and ISIS in the same list isn't very informative if you ask me. The two organizations seek different goals, have different beliefs, leaderships, eras etc. They have very little relationship and even that could be plainly original research on our part. This is like comparing attacks by Maquis and the IRA in a single list as both are inspired by naitonalism. Something like "List of attacks by Islamic Jihad Organization" is more informative. -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 22:42, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm not a mind-reader, so I can't tell you why this list was created although I have my suspicions. Wikipedia already has a List of terrorist incidents linked to ISIL; there's no reason there couldn't be one for every major terrorist organization. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:39, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Islamist terrorist attack on Christmas market in Berlin

A guy has deleted what I wrote. We know that ISIS claims to stand behind the terrorist attack. We know that the culprit looked like someone from the Middle East. So I think we should put it back in again. Here is what I wrote:

• Germany December 19, 2016 – 2016 Berlin attack, 12 people were killed and 49 injured after a Scania R 450 semi-trailer lorry drove through Christmas market on the Breitscheidplatz in Berlin. The culprit is unknown.

Kind regards --Élisée P. Bruneau (talk) 00:38, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

References

You're making this same bad edit on multiple articles and on Wiki News. ISIS claiming that they are behind the attack does not establish that as a fact. Sources have not attributed the attack to ISIS. We need to wait until they do before adding it to this list, or making such a claim on Wikipedia or Wiki News.- MrX 00:47, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I assure you, that on this page, you don't stand a snowballs chance in hell of getting this into the article without profound evidence to support inclusion. Is he a practicing Muslim? evidence required. Does he have traceable ties to an Islamist group? significant evidence required. Was this attack co-ordinated by an Islamist group? evidence required. If you can't answer all three of those question with solid multi-RS backed evidence, then you're going to be waiting until you can. Mr rnddude (talk) 00:51, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

You mean, "We know that the culprit looked like someone from the Middle East." is not enough? Carptrash (talk) 01:12, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

As you wrote, the culprit is unknown. Please note that our article, 2016 Berlin attack, is in the category Category:Terrorist incidents involving vehicular attacks but not in any category related to the suspected motive of the perpetrator (such as Category:Islamic terrorist incidents in 2016). Why the obscene rush to add the attack to this list before the police have actually arrested a suspect and announced a motive? — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 01:44, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Carptrash, its borderline, Im leaning towards delete but only cause we have sourcing and verifiability standards. :) Mr rnddude (talk) 09:00, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

I'm the one that made the revert. Mr rnddude makes a makes a point that is half true. Sometimes on this article those that patrol it make the sourcing way to narrow to add things. In previous incidents we've had the president of France saying it was Islamist terrorism and that should be good enough. This one however we know pretty much nothing. No one in custody, no background,... zip. People in authority are saying it looks like, and it fits the profile of an Islamist terrorist, but they aren't saying it is an Islamist terrorist. We have to wait on this one. Fyunck(click) (talk) 08:40, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Did you notice that Nice still isnt in this article per the consensus above from a few weeks ago. Even the President isnt considered official enough. Mr rnddude (talk) 09:00, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

As I said, many are way too exclusive for me with their opinions on the Nice attack. I see a French judge has just charged three more men suspected of helping to arm the Islamist radical who crushed those 86 people with his truck. But this one we don't even have a suspect yet, so we must wait. Fyunck(click) (talk) 11:22, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh no, I definitely agree with you there. My point was with regards to that exact exclusion. I was being intentionally over the top with my original post, but, it's not that far off in some cases here. Nice was a specific example I was drawing on, Orlando with the RfC would be another. In both cases I was neutral to the question, I just provide my sources make my case and go, well, ya'll can figure that there issue out ye'selves. Mr rnddude (talk) 11:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

So what you're saying is "I don't know why my edit that added 'The culprit is unknown' to a 'list of Islamist attacks' was removed." Think about why that might be, for a minute... Hint: "the [unknown!] culprit looked like someone from the Middle East." would appear to not satisfy any sort of WP criteria at all... Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:02, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

My 2 cents: unlike Nice, the German police have said clearly that this was a deliberate terrorist-style attack. When it comes to calling it an Islamist attack, there is a need to wait for the authorities to say this rather than playing a join the dots game on the basis of limited information.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:42, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

He pledge allegiance to Isis in a video, is this enough yet? https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/new-terror-attack-thwarted-say-german-police/2016/12/23/7ea61604-c8e7-11e6-85b5-76616a33048d_story.html?utm_term=.53cc3d2c6bc9 Pc Retro (talk) 22:58, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Bombing 1992 Yemen

The Goldmore hotel, Dec 29, 1992 in Aden, Yemen, bombing is missing from the list. Morjenann (talk) 00:30, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

That would be the Gold Mohur Hotel, not the Goldmore Hotel, but yes, it's missing. I'll add it momentarily. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:18, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

St. Cloud, Minnesota, September 18, 2016 Mall Knife Attack

It seems to me that this incident should be added to this list, but I'm not sure if it meets the defined criteria, or exactly how to insert it into the article.

Link: http://www.startribune.com/st-cloud-mall-closed-until-monday-is-crime-scene-after-stabbings/393872071/

Can any of you more experienced editors help me? Thanks, Arryp (talk) 05:15, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

The source describes it as a "potential act of terrorism". The 2016 Minnesota mall stabbing is probably another example of a disgruntled person deciding to jump on the radical Islamic bandwagon; the claim of responsibility by ISIL is routine, although they have urged people to do things like this. It isn't suitable for the article unless a clear link is made by investigators.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:48, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Formatting

Why is the list for 2015 and 2016 not in a table and why have the flags of the countries gone?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.206.129 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Not sure why 2016 isn't in a table, maybe nobody has got round to doing it because it can be fiddly to create tables in HTML. As for the flag icons, the article is better off without them per MOS:FLAGICON. If you look at this old revision of the article with the flags, they aren't really adding anything and are a bit of an eyesore.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:27, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 January 2017

Please include this event on the list of terror attacks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Atat%C3%BCrk_Airport_attack 174.102.252.3 (talk) 20:39, 30 January 2017 (UTC)