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Grammy Award

@Lemongirl942: @Magnolia677: I have started this discussion to reach a consensus for Big Pun's Grammy Award nomination. I had changed the reference after being informed IMDb is not reliable source but now that has also been reverted. If the two people who keep reverting my edit would like to assist me in finding a suitable reference? If you perform a Google search for Big Pun many websites refer to him as Grammy nominated rapper. Thanks Smush123 (talk) 19:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for starting this talk page discussion. The best source here should be one which is reliable and secondary (preferably a newspaper which a reputation for fact checking) and which should clearly mention the album name and the rapper's name along with the news about the Grammy nominated album (such as the nomination category). This source in LATimes ~~satisfies all of these.~~ satisfies most, but not the category. A better source could be the Grammy website itself. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Smush123: Please don't be so quick to add it. As you see here, the source doesn't say which category it was nominated for. We need to find better references. Could you please self revert? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 19:17, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The LA Times article states "Rios' first album, "Capital Punishment," released in 1998 and featuring the hit single "I Ain't a Player," debuted at No. 5 on the national sales chart and sold more than 2 million copies, making Rios the first Puerto Rican rapper to sell that many albums. It also garnered a Grammy nomination" which would leave one in little doubt what the award was for. Smush123 (talk) 14:03, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Smush123: That is precisely what we call WP:OR. You are assuming that a rapper's album can only be nominated for Grammy Award for Best Rap Album. Since we disagree on this, what is required are sources. Bring sources here and do not edit the article unless we explicitly have consensus here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 16:21, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Lemongirl942: I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. The way the LA Times article is written what else could be assumed from it? The album according to the article was nominated for a Grammy and he is a rapper. I also note that you do not help further the information on this Wikipedia page, simply revert things. Could you have not perhaps included a source to get the ball rolling if you felt it wasn't sufficient? Smush123 (talk) 16:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Smush123: All of us here are volunteers and we have limited time. In addition to focusing on our editing areas, we also help to maintain the quality of the encyclopaedia - ensuring that content is adequately sourced. The WP:BURDEN of adding a reliable source rests on the editor trying to add the information (and this is a policy). And this is fair. If someone is interested in add some info, they would bring a source. If they cannot bring a source or if the source doesn't verify the info, it means they probably haven't researched well enough. Adding unsourced or poorly sourced content is considered lazy editing and is disrespectful for many of us who work hard to make content verifiable. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:06, 3 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Lemongirl942: I understand that everyone here is a volunteer but that doesn't stop certain groups trying to take the ideals of Wikipedia and make it into an exclusive community where they feel they own the site simply because they contribute and feel the new people or those with less frequent contributions are somehow less worthy and should be challenged at every turn. I have read a fair bit about the deletionists on here. Regarding the article we are discussing...By process of elemination the Grammy could only be nominated either for album of the year or best rap album of the year. Would it be OK to include the IMDB reference in support of the LA Times article?