Talk:2012 Benghazi attack

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It was missiles not video that prompted the attack on Benghazi

My name is KMTitmus. I hold a teaching credential in mathematics and a masters degree in Psychology from San Francisco State. I am retired. I have dial up for my computer system. I am deeply concerned about the misinformation about Benghazi. Just after the Benghazi attack I started reading newspapers from the middle east, Europe, England and the Mediterranean. Much to my horror these papers which corroborated each other told a different story about why Ambassador Chris Stevens was in Benghazi. There has been some very short and not followed up reports in the United States but they have not caught on with the general news medium

The United States gave Quadafi 20,000 surface to air missiles. Quadafi was responsible for the bombing of the plane that blew up over Lockerbee. One year to the day of the Lockerbee bombing Quadafi used a missile to blow up another plane.

There is an American newspaper article which shows an email where Hillary Clinton asked Chris Stevens to retrieve the 20,000 surface to air missiles from Libya. Chris Stevens was the American Ambassador to Libya stationed at Tripoli. There was another American ambassador stationed at Benghazi. One article implied that the missiles were cached near Tripoli. Others imply that Benghazi was a port and boats there were used for transportation of the missiles. The missiles were known to a former Alquaeda member who had been arrested by the CIA and the Libya government but released by each. Chris Stevens had to negotiate with this former Alquaeda member to obtain these missiles. There is a ABC article regarding the missiles where the California senator Barbara Boxer states her concern about the missiles and expresses her desire protect American planes that fly in the Libyan area with missile detectors so as to protect them ??? from these surface to air missiles. The article was prompted by a report from Peter Bouckaert emergencies director for Human Rights watch.

Chris Stevens was successful in obtaining the missiles and putting them on ships at the port of Benghazi. The missiles were then shipped ostensibly to Syrian for the Syrian freedom fighters. However some of the missiles were confiscated at a port in Lebanon. There is a picture in one of these articles with Syrian freedom fighters in the background smiling and the surface to air missiles ( which were about the size of a bazooka) the foreground. It was later reported that many of these Syrian Freedom fighters were actually members of ISSIS.

Now such a covert action should have been taken by our marines, special forces, navy seals or any munitions experts. Chris Stevens as can be read from articles on his influence in Libya was a good will ambassador. The Libyan people loved him. He certainly would have been able to get help for this highly serious military action. Other articles indicate that there were Alquaeda camps in areas close to Benghazi. Due to the serious nature of the task and the fact that Alquaeda camps were so close he must have been concerned not only about his well being, but how he would be able to move this amount of munitions. According reports which did surface in American newspapers Chris Stevens contacted Hillary Clinton the woman who asked him if the would take the job over 600 times. It is should be clear that 600 attempts at getting help would have also indicated the seriousness of the task. Yet Chris Stevens received no help.

Since the munitions were successfully sent by ship and transported to Syria and Lebanon it can be deduced that Chris Stevens was successful. When he met with the ambassador stationed in Benghazi that night ( September 11) he must have been able to report his success. The attack on the compound can thus be viewed as an outrage in reaction to his success.

It is also a point of concern of the misinformation regarding how he died. The initial reports stated he was unconscious due to smoke inhalation but alive. His Libyan friend took his to a local hospital where doctors tried in vain to revive him. Later reports stated otherwise but the initial pictures showed that he was not dragged through the streets and poked wit a pole.

Hillary Clinton stated that she did not want a heavy armed guard for Chris Stevens since it would have called attention to Chris Steven presence in Benghazi. A more illumination explanation would have been that she did not want to call attention to the removal of 20,000 surface to air missiles. This point may have been related to the fact that some planes were found missing in flight during the following months and years. Could they have been the victim of a missile attack? What a PR nightmare!

The video explanation would have been part of the cover up. However in a article by the Daily Mail Clinton told her daughter that the attack was done by AlQuaeda.

During the email/Benghazi hearings Bret Baier of Fox news asked Speaker of the House Bahner if he was going to bring up the topic of the missiles. Speaker Bahner said "no" and walked away. This 10 second interview was shown on Fox news but clearly did not receive further investigation.

In one sense Hillary Clinton's actions may be construed as political smarts since she has protected the world from investigating our military weapons sales and thus hides this fact from the American public. However the fact that she did not protect Chris Stevens and the fact that the weapons went from Quadafi to Syrian freedom fights were now shown to be ISSIS should also be problematic for her. It indicates really poor judgement. It is reminiscent of another piece of poor judgment as in Fast and Furious that gave weapons to America's enemies .

God Bless Chris Stevens for his good will ambassadorship.

I hope that some one with better computer access may take some of these references and bring this information to the public. The news report by Bret Baier caught my attention and validated my concerns generated by the other articles. The fact that Clinton did not find a better explanation that a video and the bizarre news reports of how Chris Stevens died indicated to me that this was more than just an attack on an embassy. The fact that so many emails from Hillary were destroyed is also really problematic.

These are my best recollection of the articles that I read and references that I have:

ABC news with contributions of the Associated Press Fox news report by Bret Baier during the Clinton hearings. Linkedin October 26,2015 The truth about Benghazi ( illegal arms trafficking) Reuters News September 11, 2012 Daily Mail January 17, 2016 Kelly MClaughlin: Hillary told her daugter that an Alquaeda like group carried out the Benghazi attack in an email sent the night of the deadly consulate assault. The Financial Times written just after the attack ( I can no longer find this report on the internet) In Front Page Politics 9/08/2014 no author) Finally revealed : What ambassador in Benghazi was really doing.

Please note that there were many other articles by the Financial Times, The KOS and other Mediterranean newspapers that suddenly disappeared after there was a controversy regarding the video explanation that trouble me enough that I would attempt to contact Wikipedia to ask for help for further illumination. Kmt1234 (talk) 17:31, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Hillary caused the deaths of four Americans ...

She is the main cause of the deaths. Ambassador Stevens was there secretly, under the Obama Admin., giving arms illegally to ant- Assad troops(a/k/a al-qaeda). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.105.232.112 (talk) 00:18, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Secretary of State Clinton's comments regarding Libya during the run for President

That very day I had just seen the movie, "16 Hours," about the attack in Benghazi. Secretary of State Clinton made the following comment:

Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton committed her second gaffe in as many days on the campaign trail Monday night, claiming that the U.S. "didn't lose a single person" in Libya during her time as secretary of state...Clinton said "Libya was a different kind of calculation and we didn't lose a single person ... We didn’t have a problem in supporting our European and Arab allies in working with NATO." http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/15/clinton-commits-benghazi-gaffe-saying-us-didnt-lose-single-person-in-libya.html March 15, 2016

This quotation should be added to the article.Easeltine (talk) 17:31, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Information missing about preparations for Sept 11, 2012

The main article seems to be missing references to what was apparently done in preparation for the 9//11/2001 anniversary, 9/11/2012. See the transcript of the press briefing, which refers to a press release put out on 9/10/2012. https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/18/press-briefing-press-secretary-jay-carney-9182012 Beginning with, "Q Jay, I want to go back to Libya. On September 10th, you put out a press release saying that the President had a meeting with senior officials to figure out the security posture around the 9/11 anniversary. And in that press release you said that “steps were taken to protect U.S. persons and facilities abroad. The President reiterated that departments and agencies must do everything possible to protect the American people both at home and abroad.” So in retrospect, given the tragedy, did the administration drop the ball on what you promised on September 10th that you had improved security at these installations?". (end of quote) Here is a press release, which may or may not be the one referred to in the quotation above. https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/10/readout-president-s-meeting-senior-administration-officials-our-prepared I do not recall it ever being answered, what steps were actually taken that this referred to. See also: http://www.alreporter.com/2013/10/22/roby-s-benghazi-questions-drawing-attention-in-the-white-house/ See also the book, "Benghazi: Timeline of Truth". https://books.google.com/books?id=B9tfDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT26&lpg=PT26&dq=steps+were+taken+to+protect+U.S.+persons+and+facilities+abroad&source=bl&ots=5BXhmM8SbS&sig=3rdTiSUV4il99EJCY5MuS-rfBUA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnzLKBs-HTAhWC5lQKHbzNCVEQ6AEINDAD#v=onepage&q=steps%20were%20taken%20to%20protect%20U.S.%20persons%20and%20facilities%20abroad&f=false at Note 20. Evidently, nothing at all was done, despite the press release on Sept 10, 2012. http://www.newsmax.com/US/benghazi-probe-safety-panetta/2013/10/17/id/531721/ 2601:1C2:4E01:CE00:F8EE:D81E:D50A:7498 (talk) 23:17, 8 May 2017 (UTC)