Talk:Millennials

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Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2017

The current text reads: "older Gen X adults, are sometimes referred to as "Echo Boomers" due to a major surge in birth rates in the 1980s and 1990s."

This is incorrect. The baby boom (and, thus, the baby boom generation) was caused by increased birth rates. The echo boom was not caused by increased birth rates. More children were born because there were more parents (the baby boom). The echo boom was a demographic echo of increased birth rates from '45 through '65. It was not a baby boom (increased birth rates).

The text could read: "older Gen X adults, are sometimes referred to as "Echo Boomers" because they are an echo of the baby boom. The boomers are a larger group of people created by increased birth rates. So when they started having children (even at regular birth rates) the larger number of people having children led to more children being born." Nonetheless0 (talk) 16:04, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

It wouldn't be appropriate to make that change because it's inaccurate and unreferenced. None of the referenced text in body of article regarding "Echo Boomers" mentions Gen X. References say Millennials are sometimes referred to as Echo Boomers due to increased birth rates and because they tend to be children of the baby boomers. Tweaked text to address this confusion [1]. --DynaGirl (talk) 17:48, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Exactly some people still like to tie generations strictly on birth rates which is why they often use Echo Boomers (which is pretty indisputably 1977-1994 due to the rise and ultimate fall in birth rates in those years) interchangeably with Millennials.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4a:403:3f70:794e:a88:c37b:93ca (talk • contribs)

I'm sorry but the introduction makes it sound like the term "Echo Boomers" is a common one. I have never heard of this before and I have done a substantial amount of research on the generation for papers before. I'm not saying that this term doesn't exist, or that some don't call Millennials this, but it certainly isn't common, as the paragraphs makes it seem. Could this possibly be moved to a section further down, or eliminated entirely? 65.112.10.171 (talk) 22:37, 1 October 2017 (UTC)User:guest

Remove the "early 2000s" bullshit from the intro

People born in the early 80s-mid 90s do not associate with those born in the late 90s/early 2000s. Those born in the late 90s/early 2000s weren't in K-12 during 9/11 and thus can't relate to Millennials; they would be Gen Z.--174.60.164.235 (talk) 02:24, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

From the article:

However, Howe described the dividing line between Millennials and the following Generation Z as "tentative", saying "you can’t be sure where history will someday draw a cohort dividing line until a generation fully comes of age".

Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) (talk) 16:25, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Strauss and Howe use 1982 to 2004 as Millennial birth dates in 99% of their published material. The quote about the dividing line between the Millennials and Gen Z being tentative is accounted for. We also have many, many sources who end the Millennial birth years in the early 2000s, so it's not just Strauss and Howe. Read further down the article for additional sources who support "early 2000s".64.183.42.42 (talk) 19:26, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

I agree, the early 2000s nonsense should be removed from the lead. At the very best it's a fringe opinion; mainstream opinion defines millenials as those born in the 80s and 90s, commonly excluding those who were too young to have any recollection of the 90s. In any event people born years after the turn of the millennium, who have no recollection of that or the past millennium whatsoever, aren't millenials in any way, shape or form. As I wrote back in 2016, the defining feature of the millennial generation is that they came of age when the world entered the new millennium (the year 2000), and that they have some recollection of that event/time, including some recollection of both the former millennium and the new millennium as children/youth. Most authors agree that the millennial generation comprises those born from 1980/81 until the mid 1990s, often defined more precisely as ending no later than 1996 (although the "core millennials" could be said to be the generation born in the 1980s and early 1990s). Someone who was born several years after year 2000, and who has no recollection of anything before 2010 or something, is not a member of the millennial generation. --Bjerrebæk (talk) 09:17, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

You don't have to personally agree with these dates, but early 2000s is not a "fringe opinion". It's supported by reliable sources. These dates are used by some prominent demographers (it's the dates used in Strauss-Howe generational theory, among others). --DynaGirl (talk) 10:49, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Requested move discussion on related page

Readers here might be interested in the discussion at Talk:Oregon Trail Generation#Requested move 17 November 2017. -GTBacchus^(talk) 00:56, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Request to change previous generation.

I would like to change the previous generation to y and stop generation y from being redirected here. It feels like my whole generation is being overshadowed by the term millennial. Seeing as the millennium started at 2000 I believe that should be used as the starting school age for millennials and have their starting birth year as 1995, making generation y span from 1980 to 1995. This also coincides with one generation having witnessed the birth of the video games and communication technology that the following generation was born into. Popenemo (talk) 15:36, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@Popenemo: "Millennials (also known as Generation Y)..." We use what reliable sources say, not editors' personal opinions. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:41, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

It's not just a personal opinion. People born between these years don't consider themselves millennials. You can't call someone something their not because your personal opinion is that should be there name. Why does millennial refer to anything before the millennium? Seems inaccurate and lazy to include 5 decades into one generation. Baby boomers were barely 2 decades, same with gen x, but I guess every one after that is just Millennials from then on and forever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popenemo (talk • contribs) 15:51, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@Popenemo: Please read our verifiability policy. "Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." The Terminology section which has sources, covers naming. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:56, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

What makes those peoples opinion more important than mine? They had an opinion about what the generation should be called just like I do. It really seems like they didn't know what they were doing either, seeing as there is no specific method to determining when a generation begins or ends. Is your generation decided by when you were growing up or when you legally became an adult, when is one legally an adult, is that the same in all cultures?How do you verify what someone calls themselves without it being a personal opinion? It almost feels like racism but with generations. Why do I have to deal with being called a millennial when I don't consider myself one and also have to deal with the prejudice that comes with that term? Maybe it's because people who make articles like this don't realize that it is a personal opinion and without the consensus of the generation you are labeling, you are perpetuating falsities. Disconnect this page from the generation y search if you aren't going to remove all the personal opinions that are already on it. Please don't make me go through weeks of Reddit campaigns just to get a separate generation y page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popenemo (talk • contribs) 16:29, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

@Popenemo: Become a recognized authority on generations and then you can be considered a reliable source ("Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. This means that we publish the opinions only of reliable authors, and not the opinions of Wikipedians who have read and interpreted primary source material for themselves") for Wikipedia purposes. Reddit campaigns are going to do little as Wikipedia is not a democracy. Change requests not based on Wikipedia policies and guidelines will just be ignored. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 16:42, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Your reliable sources are just magazine editors and self titled generation specialists. This article is a shallow lie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Popenemo (talk • contribs) 17:05, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

"People born between these years (1980-1995) don't consider themselves millennials." 23 year olds don't consider themselves Millennials? Wtf, how?--73.52.114.170 (talk) 22:05, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

"Survivors" - TV shows are not a good reference

Is there ANY reason to quote a TV show? Michael (sorry I can't login from this PC)