User talk:Vaselineeeeeeee

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Re: Juve 11

@Messirulez: Hey, tough draw today after being 2-0 up... Unfortunately these 2:45 games over here are not gonna work for me. I saw the highlights and kept up a bit with live commentary. That first goal was so nice, Pjanic picking out Higuain who was basically uncovered and what a nice volley that was to the bottom corner. Too bad he couldn't get his second penalty in...looked like Lloris read he was gonna go in the middle, but the bar got it...I wonder if it would've gone in with all that power if it was just below. I think I read Buffon made a couple good saves, but that was kind of a gaffe on the goal. Kane was coming in with pace, but Buffon probably should've went in with a slide, but I guess it was kinda close to the edge of the box. Their last goal was really stupid. We should've done way better to defend that free kick. He had such a clear lane to just shoot it at the bottom there. Can't deny their two away goals are pretty good, but I think it should be fine in the return. Hopefully we can catch Napoli by then and Juve can seal the quarters in early March. Oh and also, I don't know if you have Netflix, but there's going to be this, what looks to be a pretty cool docuseries that followed Juve last year in their dressing rooms and the pitch and has interviews and such with players, and it comes out this Friday. Pretty pumped to see this. Parliamo dopo! Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi! Yeah, I'm so annoyed about the result today. I was so excited after a such great start (two goals in under 10 minutes...), and then we somewhow blew it, and now it will be so tough in the second leg...not only a draw at home, but they got two away goals... We can still pull it off, but this is probably the result they dreamed of bringing into the second leg. I hope we can do it once everyone is back and fit (we really missed Matuidi in midfield). I can't believe we gave up a lead like that and that we resorted to playing behind the ball at home and letting them control possession. I know we had injuries, but come on, we still have a good team as well and much more experience in Europe than Spurs do. Higuain started off so well with that excellent run and volley off of Pjanic's clever free kick as you said, but then he had to miss that penalty right before half time (even the first one was lucky to go in after Lloris had guessed the right way, but thankfully it was a hard shot), and even that chance on the counterattack after linking up so well with Pjanic, yes it was hard, but it's so frustrating that he often doesn't convert those chances in big games. Yeah, Gigi made an error of judgement on Kane's goal; I think he thought he was younger and could've gotten there before, because now he isn't one to rush out like that anymore, even though he almost always used to anticipate strikers when he was young, and his momentum allowed Kane to rush past him. The reason why I think he didn't go in for the challenge was because he realised he wasn't going to get there in time and that if he tried to tackle him he would probably risk taking him out and either concede a penalty or be sent off...and yes, the equaliser was also annoying, how the wall moved at the end and Buffon took a slight step because of that and that basically caused him to miss the shot... I really hope we can come back in the second leg, and yeah it would be nice to try and catch Napoli and hopefully not win every match by grinding out a 1-0 win by the skin of our teeth, even though as always my main concern is Europe...I would be absolutely pissed off if we went out in the second round like this, even more than if we lost the Serie A title to be honest. Yeah, I heard about that docuseries...it should be interesting, and I'm curious to watch it as well! Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 05:28, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Hi! What a game today! Even just me looking at the commentary I was on edge. I heard Juve had a clear penalty call by Vertongen on Costa, with the linesman right in front of it! It didn't seem like we got out to a good start in the first half as Tottenham clearly had more of the ball and 5+ shots at net. Son apparently had a Ronaldo-like game, but that goal was so damn lucky to go in...flutter and Buffon wasn't expecting that as he went down before the kick. Two goals seemed like an enormous feat away from home, but I had a feeling if Tottenham did it last leg, then Juve has to do it now. Almost out of nothing, Higuain gets the job done, then that Dybala breakaway and that finish was superb. It can be so easy to hit those right at the keeper. So happy we get to move on, and for Buffon, although the next draw looks like it will be really tough with almost every team being of caliber except maybe Shakhtar. Last Serie A weekend was great with Dybala scoring and the death against Lazio to take victory, and Roma beating Napoli, it looks better now. Unfortunately, the next day we were saddened by Astori's passing, which shocked the footballing world. I checked his English wiki page got almost 500,000 views, with the Italian wiki page almost getting 1,000,000 views. It is really scary to see that happen out of the blue. TFC didn't get off to a good start with the home opener loss, but are doing alright in the CL as they came back 2-1 from 1-0 down to Tigres, but will still be tough to get even a draw in Mexico. Hopefully they can do it like Juve. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 03:06, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I know! I must admit I thought we were screwed when Spurs scored, especially as they were keeping the ball afterwards and creating more chances, as you said, and I was really annoyed; but yes, I think I still had that inkling of hope as well, as we had more experience, that we might also be able to pull off a comeback, but I still didn't expect it, I must be honest, especially as our mindset seemed to be quite negative initially! Yeah, Gigi has been a bit iffy recently, and he slipped on the goal before the shot, otherwise I think he would've saved it in spite of Son's scuffed shot which ended up wrong-footing Chiellini (yeah he played well overall, sort of like Cristiano Ronaldo, although back in his Man U days; I might be a bit biased, as I'm not a huge fan of his, but now I don't think Ronaldo is the best comparison as he sort of isn't involved in anything and suddenly he will make a run and head in a cross :P). I hope he can pick things up again and have a good season, and it would be amazing if he could finally win himself the Champions League; he's still had to make a couple of decent saves at least. and then when Allegri brought on Asamoah and Lichtsteiner fairly early on in the second half I thought he was crazy, as I think it was probably since Conte's days that we hadn't played with both of them as wing-backs, but in the end they proved to be key in our comeback, and in the space of five minutes we had turned the game around, which was crazy! Chiello had a crazy game in the second half even though he struggled a bit in the first half, and we defended well after we had the lead, and Higuain was brilliant both to run onto Khedira's header, and then to drop back, hold up the ball and send a perfect throughball to meet Dybala's run, who did really well to time his run against the defensive line's movement inwards, and he also waited for Lloris to go down a bit before finishing; really glad for both of them, and hopefully this will help their confidence in Europe! I'm really glad we went through the quarter-finals, but it won't be easy as there are many good teams as you said, and we need to play better than we did agaisnt Spurs if we do want to progress. Yeah, Dybala got a great goal against Lazio, and Napoli lost, which was crazy; I didn't expect that, and it's sort of changed things in the league, and Juve are in the Coppa Italia final, so the season is looking better now, even though my dream is to go far in Europe and possibly even manage to win a European title, even though it won't be easy. Yeah, it was so sad about Astori; he was still so young, and yes, it's shocking for someone who is an athlete to just die like that from a heart attack in his sleep. It's heartwarming to see the effect it had on the footballing world at least (btw, why is that user being so annoying about sources for medals? none of the major good articles, like Messi's have sources for them, and later on in the body of the article, there was a cited passage which stated that he scored in the victorious bronze medal match). Yeah, a good win for TFC agaisnt Tigres in their Champions League quarter-final after a disappointing loss in the MLS home opener; it's a shame about the away goal, but they played quite well and it was nice to get the win right at the end, and hopefully they can pull off a result in Mexico, even though it won't be easy playing there against such a good side. It would be awesome for them to reach the semifinals again (yeah, hopefully they can pull off a good result away like Juve did; I was thinking that myself!), although it seems like they will have another tough draw if they do progreess (I would love to see them win it; maybe if Juve win the UEFA Champions League they can face each other in the FIFA Club World Cup ;) ). They certainly have acquired some interesting players though; hopefully they will do well and help the team in the Champions League. Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 04:49, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Yes, it did seem like they may have been down and out, but I also had an inkling they could make it back, more so than when Italy faced Sweden...But yeah, if it went into extra time, that would've been bad as everyone was getting tired. That clearance by Barzagli off the line was already too much. Inter face Napoli on the weekend so hopefully Inter can pull something off there as well. But yeah, that user can be a little annoying when it comes to that. I guess he does it all over, but I think he does it especially for Italians because he knows we will find him a source! It really is a friggin lazy thing to do to just remove them like that without a two second Google search or looking within wiki pages to find a source. I've never seen medals in an infobox sourced before that's why we were probably perplexed. It also annoys me when people pick and choose which articles they randomly delete info from. He did it a couple days ago on Luigi Riva removing his stats table, as he did with Giacinto Facchetti a couple months ago, which I reverted with a source, which I'm sure you saw and then cleaned etc. Anyway, yes, hopefully they can do well in CL and have a dream matchup at a FCWC! Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 05:30, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, it's been a while! Shame about TFC coming so close and losing on penalties...Giovinco played really well, aside from the goal, and came close to scoring again a few more times as well, and it's too bad that he set up two chances which Toronto couldn't convert towards the end as the second half they defended most of the time. When it went to penalties, playing away, I didn't think they had much chance, but they did well to come back and win it away from home; it's shame they fell apart at BMO field in the first leg. Nice penalty by Giovinco, but most of the other ones were poor, unfortunately, but I suppose that's the lack of experience, although I'm surprised that Aketxe didn't take one over someone else; Bono has done well, but he doesn't seem the best keeper on penalties – I know people are too harsh on keepers on spot kicks as it's hard, but there were several times this season that I've seen him guess the right way but he didn't have the explosiveness to get to ground to parry the ball and they ended up going under his body. It was nice that Juve were able to win the double in the end so that Gigi could win the Coppa Italia final and go out on a high in the end, in spite of the disappointment with Real Madrid in the Champions League and the stupid decisive penalty/red card in the dying seconds of injury time and the lack of a World Cup this summer. We'll see what he decides to do now that he's leaving Juve. I wonder if Barzagli will retire as well; it seems that Asamoah and Lichsteiner are leaving, and maybe some other players might as well. Crazy how Real were so lucky with the decisions against Bayern as well, and how Roma also nearly managed a come-back against Liverpool but were also denied a penalty which if given and scored would have brought the game to extra time. It was frustrating seeing Roma in the semis while we didn't make it, but I suppose we lost the tie in the first leg, even though we managed an incredible comeback. I just wanted to apologise personally for my absence from wikipedia and for not responding to your messages while I was away; I didn't mean to seem rude, I just wasn't really on, aside from reverting a few edits from and arguing with the irritating user who keeps removing Serie A/Coppa Italia/Supercoppa Italiana honours from players who didn't appear in the competition, even though everyone gets medals, but he doesn't listen to me and goes by his own rules even though he hasn't done sufficient research and doesn't even speak Italian... I just wanted to know that I will probably be away for some time, as I really need to focus on finishing my doctorate right now and I feel that I've spent too much time on wikipedia. I've returned briefly just to tend to a few things and polish them up. Best wishes to you, and I hope you're doing well; take care! Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 15:15, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Hey!! Yes long time no talk, I’ve noticed you’ve been gone for awhile. No worries good luck on your doctorate! But yeah that was so disappointing that TFC lost in penalties like that. Especially because Delgado could’ve finished it off right at the end...he could’ve taken another touch if he really needed. Yeah the home game was off. And I was there! They couldn’t really get anything going despite being all over them. They scored two lucky goals. Bono did really well during the tournament. But they sacrificed ghe league for it. They’ve really got to pick up the pace but I think they can get back into s playoff spot soon. Yeah I was gonna message you about Juve in the champions league against Real Madrid that was unbelievable!!! The champions league just had all sorts of comebacks this year. Shame about Roma too, but for them to have won while we’ve been trying so hard these past few years would be cruel even though I also wanted to support Italy in the tournament. I think that if we took out Madrid the cup would be even closer to us than the other years. Mandzukic was amazing that game. With Roma coming back to Barca, I felt it gave us more drive to do it ourself. And after mandzukic scored pretty early I could taste the comeback. At 3-0 up going to extra time, we still would’ve needed to do a ton more work to progress. But I’m the 93rd minute flofnvto extra time to call an iffy at best call that was insanity. Oliver let the home crowd influence him. To give Buffon a red card for his protests was again heartbreaking. Buffon is always calm and friendly even in the toughest of moments, but when it is likely your last chance at the cl and in that situation he actually acted like a normal person. What angered me the most is social media some comparing it to Zidane’s red card in his final match for France. Totally different scenarios. Buffon’s reputation cannot be tarnished from that one instance. His comments after the game about Oliver were harsh but he was obviously still fired up. Oliver was not the right choice for the match between two high caliber teams. What Buffon said about not having courage is completely right to me. Not Benatia’s fault at all either, it looked like he got ball even though from different angles it looked worse than it really was because Lucas is a shrimp. What’s happened to Buffon this year with the World Cup and this cl was heartbreaking but yes at least he won the double in his last season even though I think he could’ve played on. I really hope he doesn’t go to any European team like PSG or Liverpool or whoever because what would be the point after all he’s done? I think if he wants to stop with Juve he should just retire or go abroad. His send off vs Verona in the last game was so sad. A legend gone. I hope Juve can figure out the keeper situation. Scezney isn’t bad even as a starter but it would be good to get another. What kinda got to me was that Buffon also rejected his national team send off on June 4 against Netherlands at the juventus stadium especially since he said that he would accept a call up even at the age of 60. I don’t take that as a joke. Obviously they wouldn’t do that but I don’t think he should’ve rejected the send off arranged for him, but you have to respect his decision. Mancini is Coach now so we’ll see how he does. Hopefully he can revive the team. And Balotelli is back!!! Finally!! Hopefully he can show everyone wrong. Best regards and hope to see you back soon. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 21:54, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Than you! And yes, it was a shame about TFC and Juve. I'm annoyed about everyone blowing the Buffon thing out of proportion as well...it wasn't an obvious penalty, because pundits were debating whether it was afterwards (I'm not saying it couldn't have been a penalty, I'm just saying that it was certainly debateable) and it was in the dying seconds of injury time and it would have changed the tie so he shouldn't have given it full stop. And Buffon is the captain and is allowed to speak to the ref and it's understandable after a stupid decision like that that he would be annoyed especially in his last game in the Champions League and with what an incredible match it was. He could've booked him but a red card was ridiculous, especially when knowing Buffon he might've saved CR7's penalty as he was having a good game. Oliver was not up to par, as you and Buffon said, and what is ridiculous is that in the past Hart put his head against him and Oliver did nothing...he could tell he was losing control and that he seemed spineless by giving the penalty and conceding to the crowd so I think then he wanted to show he was in control so he sent Buffon off....geez, I mean have some sympathy at least! And Buffon's comments, yes they weren't nice and he probably shouldn't have said them, but they weren't anything offensive! It's not like he uttered any slurs or anything like that...I don't get why everyone said that they were horrendous and that they tarnished his career, especially when he's always been very affable and sportsmanlike as you said. Zidane physically assaulted a player, which is completely different. It's a shame because had we progressed I think we could've gone all the way this year. And yes, with no more CHampions League and no World Cup it really sucks for him to end it like this. I heard that he might be joining PSG but we'll see if that happens. Yeah it's odd he didn't want to play for Italy one last time in Turin; hopefully he will change his mind as Mancini seems keen on him being there. Yes, hopefully having a good, successful, and experienced manager with a strong character like Mancini there will help us get back on our feet now! And of course it's great to see Balo again, as you said, when he's been doing well and had his best season ever! Yeah, hopefully he can shut everyone up and score a goal, too! Best, Messirulez (talk) 05:05, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Re: Italy/U-21 6

@Messirulez: Hey how have you been? Long time no talk! You hear about the new UEFA Nations League? I think this will be a cool concept to have a sort of league for national teams which can replace some meaningless friendlies as this tournament can be competitive to avoid relegation to a lower league group, and can allow you to qualify for the Euros. So Italy are with Poland and Portugal which will still be challenging, but hopefully we can qualify the regular way anyway! The only thing I find kind of strange is that very weak teams such as the ones in League D have the same chance to qualify the same as the tougher league groups like in League A. It would be honestly a waste of a spot for any team in league D to qualify, but the way I'm seeing it laid out on the wiki page is that one of them will qualify for certain through this route.

I didn't expect FIGC to not reach a decision on the president, so Fabbricini will be the commissioner for now I guess. I'm curious to see Di Biagio as interim manager for our March friendlies against some good sides, as he's been decent with the U-21 side. I think right now Mancini may be the favourite to take over the CT at the end of the season, but now maybe a return of Conte if he were to get sacked from Chelsea. I'm starting to see commercials for the WC on TV now and it is a painful reminder lol...

What I found really interesting this morning though was that Di Biagio is leaning towards calling up Balo...and Buffon! Balo I think would really be a no brainer at this point to once and for all give him a shot after 3 years and for Ventura for being so stubborn. Buffon, if he were to actually get a call, would be the surprise. I mean, he did say that he would never not reject a call up from Italy even when he was older and retired for good, but would it really be the right call? We do have Donnarumma who has proved he is more than capable of taking over the reigns. Man it would be nice to see Buffon play for Italy again, but he won't be at the WC regardless, so I think at this point I don't think that should really be an option. We'll see within a couple of weeks I guess. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 20:57, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Hi, not too bad, thanks, how about yourself? Yeah, the nations league is interesting but it's also a bit annoying as I have a feeling we still might not take it seriously, although if you think about it friendlies make no sense, except for allowing managers to try out new things. Yeah, I know...things are taking forever at the FGIC as usual. I saw Di Biagio would be in charge for the friendlies, which will be interesting to see for now with a young new team, but I don't know if I'm crazy about him as an option for our next manager to be honest; he was a very good player, and he could both defend and create in midfield, and often it's those type of players who make the best managers as they understand both sides of the game, and it's true that the under-21 side did quite well under him, especially at the last European Championships, but considering the talent we had I think they could've done even better against some of the weaker sides, especially in the 2015 European Championship, so I'm not sure if he would be the best decision to take on the role permanently, especially given his lack of experience (and we've seen what happened with Ventura because of his lack of experience in big matches), but hopefully he will only be in charge briefly, or maybe he will prove me wrong in the friendlies, although it would be sort of difficult to judge his effectiveness from those games if he does do well (sort of like how Ferrara looked like a good choice for Juve when he won the last two games of the 2008-09 season but was a terrible manager the next season). I've heard some rumours regarding Guidolin; I think either he or Mancini might be good, probably the best decisions at the moment considering that Ancelotti has declined the offer, although Guidolin and Mancini haven't been active for a while now, so I'm wondering whether they would be as good now. We'll see if Conte gets sacked or not by Chelsea (recently the players said they supported him even though I think he was in danger of being let go), but I have a feeling that even if he does, he won't want to take charge of Italy again just yet, but we'll see, and he would be good right now I think. Yeah, it really sucks we won't be at the World Cup...I'll still watch the big teams, but it's not a nice feeling and won't be the same, especially as it was already a rueful experience watching the knock-out stages of the last two tournaments, in which we didn't feature, so this time it will certainly be even worse...maybe I'm hoping Messi that can win it for Argentina at least, as I like him (and out of the main favourites I don't really want our main rivals like Germany, Brazil or Spain to win it; France, even though they are also our big rivals, I wouldn't mind as much; I definitely don't want England winning it either, mainly because I lived in England for a while, back when Serie A was still the best league and the Premier League was still very much developing and mostly made up of older Serie A players, and I had to deal with students telling me every week how boring a league it was and how the Premier League was far more exciting, which was so frustrating...haha) and hopefully Dybala and Higuain can have a decent tournament as well, which would help them mature with Juve in Europe. Yeah, Balo probably deserves a chance for some friendlies after playing well for some time in France, as we've said, although it's difficult to know what you will get from him unfortunately, even though his performances for Italy have probably been mostly positive overall I would say and he has good scoring record even though he has also disappeared at times in other games. I saw that about Buffon as well; we'll see what happens with him. I get what you mean and I'm also of two minds about ti, as it might be nice as a last bow, as the games don't really mean that much (although then again it's a bit of a downer to go out in a friendly after not qualifying for the WC, even though his last appearance in the playoff elimination is also equally depressing, so I'm not sure which would be worse! haha), and then maybe Donnarumma could take over as the starting keeper when it counts for the Euro 2020 qualifying campaign (which will be tough), but it does seem odd to call him back up now when he said he was taking a break, if not completely retiring, even though he said he might still be interested. Having said that he's still very sharp and one of the best Italian keepers, while Donnarrumma still needs to improve even though he's undoubtedly very good and promising. Regarding Buffon it's probably his leadership which is most important to the team above all, so maybe he could be called up but not play, although that also seems a bit of a waste; maybe he and Donnarumma will both play a match (we have two games, right?). It would definitely seem odd for him to say he was retiring and then come back though, but I guess it also depends whether he will stay on with Juve or not, too (hopefully if he does, that will be due to a Champions League victory). Hopefully Chiellini will stay in the team because I don't see too many leaders/possible captains otherwise, and I would like him to have a decent World Cup with Italy before he retires. Hopefully Juve can beat Tottenham, which won't be easy; unfortunately Matuidi, who has been a rock in midfield, will be out, but Benatia has really grown and De Sciglio has also been improving, so we look much more solid at least defensively, and Pjanic has also been taking control of games more even though he also has room to improve, while Higuain hopefully will be able to replicate his recent scoring form in Europe as well!

Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 22:27, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Yeah we've got two games end of March. Yeah, it will be interesting to see how Di Biagio handles the two friendlies...maybe it can turn out like Simone with Lazio being an interim then doing well and then leading on as head. But yeah, probably unlikely. (shame Lazio couldn't hold the lead against Napoli). It may very well come down to Juve-Napoli in April. If they keep it up we'll be on track for a record points year. But yeah, I'm afraid of Italy still not really showing up to the new tournament, but hopefully the incentives they've put into the tournament will be enough. But yeah it is a tough call on Buffon, and Chiellini like you say, so I wonder what will happen. I think for Italy, Buffon, sadly, should be done, as yes, playing a few more friendlies is pointless. But I'm beginning to think more and more that Buffon will continue one for Juve. He doesn't seem ready to leave yet. And hopefully we can get one step closer tomorrow against Tottenham! Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:17, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Hi! Ugh, where is Balotelli in the squad Di Biagio named!?!? This is actually so frustrating. He has performed better than over half of the forwards he called. Verdi, seriously? I guess it makes sense to get Chiellini back as I could see him playing for a bit longer, but I didn't think he was actually going to go through with calling Buffon. As we've said, it is really hard to say whether it is right or not. I wonder if he'll actually play him though or is just having him be part of the squad for experience. We'll see. I hope Italy tries to give a lot of effort in these next couple friendlies as they are against good teams and sort of have a better showing than they last did. I heard the FIGC wants to decide on a new coach in the next 15 days, so lets see. I don't think we've seen any change. I was out on the town so didn't see Juve-Spal, but seriously how could they draw?! Spal is an 18th placed team and we're in a scudetto battle, these are points you cannot leave behind. Man, Real Madrid was probably the second worst draw we could've gotten. We're going to have to play a lot better if we want to have a chance at revenge. It just seems too early to be facing them. I can't believe how friggin lucky Bayern got again drawing Beskitas and then now Sevilla... I guess that's how it is, we were pretty lucky ourselves with the draws in 2015, so it's our turn now I guess. Roma getting Barca is hilarious, they always get them hahhah. Even though Madrid basically blew PSG out of the water, we should still have a chance. I heard a report, although nothing official, that Buffon has decided to retire at the end of the season, so again, it would be nice to move on. Hey did you see that TFC-Tigres game? It was a late one over here since we've had the time change earlier, but it was so intense!! The Volcano lived up to its name, but we stood up to it. We were knocking at the door the whole game so it was a matter of time we would score, fortunately off an own goal first, then another nice free kick goal by Gio even though Romero should've gotten there, that was a tough position to deal with it I guess. That proved to be necessary, as we couldn't seem to close out the damn game! Even when they then needed 3 goals to move on it wasn't over till the last second! That penalty he gave was kinda BS though, but it was basically over at that point. Now playing Club America will be tough, but I hope we give a good fight. Especially since TFC haven't been in good form in the league so far with a derby loss to Montreal today. God I hate their fans. Altidore almost equalized in the end there, but was cleared just in time before rolling in. Fingers crossed. cya. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 22:28, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I know; he's been playing well, although it seems like he's still been causing problems from what I've heard and will likely be leaving at the end of the season, but it's been his best season yet and he's had some interesting offers, so considering we aren't going to be at the World Cup and will only be playing friendlies and that Di Biagio hasn't yet been made our full-time Italy senior squad manager, I really don't see why he isn't giving Balo a chance at least. Yeah, I think Chiellini should maybe stay on a bit as although he is getting older, he isn't all that old for a centre-back and has still been playing well for Juve and we could definitely use his experience and leadership alongside Bonucci and Rugani or Romagnoli, who still all need to develop even though they're talented (Bonucci seems to be doing better now with Milan at least). In spite of my earlier ambivalence over recalling Buffon, maybe for the time being calling up Buffon was the right decision, as Di Biagio rightly said that even if he doesn't play, he needs him to unite the team in the dressing room, and he's still important off the pitch, so he might just be there for experience, as you said. I think he might end up playing though, as Donnarumma was injured against Arsenal I beleive, or maybe Perin will play, which would be good for him to get more experience after all these injuries, as he's also immensely talented, but I'm guessing that Gigi will probably feature in at least one of those games – maybe against Argentina – as a final farewell, probably because the Play-offs were a bitter way to say goodbye to the national team, although it's not like a meaningless friendly is much better, but still...I'm still not sure what to believe regarding his retirement, as I've heard both sides of the story, some saying he hasn't yet decided and others saying enough is enough. He does seem to have slowed down a bit now in terms of his speed when rushing out and his reflexes and diving and seems to be a bit less reliable in his footwork decision making, which worries me a bit, as I don't want him to perform badly considering how amazing he has been through his career, and he's also being rested more frequently in Serie A, and Allegri seems to be starting him more in the Coppa Italia, so maybe he isn't really seen as the outright starter anymore (Buffon did even hint that he is no longer the best keeper at Juve anymore), so maybe after this season he should call it quits, unless he wants to stay one more year as a back-up and play in the Coppa Italia, and a European or League game here and there, possibly to equal some more records; he's had an amazing career regardless of whether he manages to win the Champions League (three finals don't lie), although I'm still hoping we can get the medal for him before he retires, and in that case, he said he might stay one more season as a back-up to win some more titles, and I think it's fair, as Szczesny has been playing well and is in his physical prime, so he probably deserves to start, and Buffon can still guide the team and play a few games here and there. I've heard Barzagli might sign a contract extension which does surprise me, as although he's still very good and inelligent as a centre-back, and moves quite well, he does seem to be struggling a bit more and has been exposed at right back against very quick, agile, and technical opponents, and I also want him to retire before he becomes a liability, as he's also been a fantastic player for Juve. Hopefully Italy will sign a good coach though as I'm still not too convinced by Di Biagio. We will see how the friendlies go. I want us to beat England, but I suppose they don't mean much even if we do play well, but I hope at least that they will be useful for the players that need to gel more and gain international experience. Yeah I can't believe we drew against SPAL; maybe we're saving our energy though, and the Champions League draw distracted us, who knows, but it's not a good result regardless, considering SPAL don't have experience and are struggling in the league, even though we were away from home, without some starters, and they defended the whole game behind the ball, as with the players we have we needed to find away through, especially if we expect to do well in Europe, but then again, it's better to make mistakes now, and in the past sometimes under Allegri we wouldn't play as well in the league, but we still did well in Europe and ended up winning the league title, so I suppose I would rather have that scenario occur. Yeah, Real are a tough draw for the quarter-finals, so I really hope we can beat them, get revenge for last year's final, so we can advance to the last four and hopefully go all the way this time; PSG, I'm not sure what happened with them, they just fell apart, sort of like we did in the second half of the Champions League final, and they just seem to not haev gelled in spit of all their stars, although they have also been unlucky not to qualify for the semifinals at times, but against us it will be different if we play intelligently and in an organised manner, and then we always need luck, but we can't play the way we did in the first leg or the first half of the second leg against Suprs. Real seem to be picking things up now as well, sort of like how they started badly last season and ended strongly, so it will be tough against them, as they still have an amazing squad. It annoys me that the two Italian teams got arguably the two toughest teams in the Spanish sides, and that the two English teams will be playing each other and will be guaranteed a team in the semi-finals, especially as their teams might end up doing well in the Europa League again now. Bayern got the easiest draw on paper, but Sevilla shouldn't be underestimated either, as they do have some talented players, and it's impressive that they managed to defeat Man U, who do have a good squad and spent a lot on many players (so much for Montella being a rubbish coach to Milan fans...they're in the CHampions League quarter-finals for the first time eve, in fifth place in the league, and in the Copa del Rey final! Sure, Gattuso has been doing better, but I new it wasn't all Montella's fault, and he had done well with Crotone and Fiorentina before). Yeah, I saw the Tigres–Toronto FC game; great result, and I'm really glad they made it through to the semi-finals and that Giovinco was able to get a goal with that great free kick (yeah, the keeper made a mistake and should've done better, but it was still perfectly placed by Gio, and it always looks easier than it is to stop those), and that he was involved in the own goal as well; even though he was quiet in the first half, he certainly picked things up in the second half and it was a great result away from home, and they did well with that performance against a tough opponent in an intimidating stadium, and yes it was an intense and tight game, and it was still open until the end, even though I think the second goal put the tie to bed for Toronto in many ways. I agree that the penalty was silly, and thankfully it was only awarded in injury time, because otherwise it could have really opened up the match; a shame that Bono couldn't get to it when he guessed the right way, as it wasn't a great penalty and it's disappointing that it went under him, but overall he played well and has been very solid for Toronto. I didn't see the MLS game against Montreal but I suppose with the new CONCACAF Champions League commitments, and the treble last season, that's probably been taking up most of their concentration, although hopefully they will pick things up in the league later as well and still have a good season and qualify easily for the playoffs, even though it will be tough to find the motivation to repeat a season like last year, with an unprecedented treble and the points record in the MLS regular season. The Champions League semi-final will be tough against another good Mexican side, and they've been unlucky with the draw unlike other teams, but hopefully they can go through and even go all the way now; they do have a good team now with Van der Wiel, Auro, and Aketxe, who provide some talent and depth to the squad, on top of their other players, so it would be amazing if they could win that as well after last season, and it would be amazing for Giovinco! Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 21:48, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Hey what's up? I wasn't able to watch the Argentina game, but I saw the highlights, Buffon looked to make some decent saves, although his handling wasn't the best. Yeah, I think it was a fine call to have him back I guess, as the youngsters have also noted it is good to have someone like Buffon in the squad for support. I was able to watch a replay of the England game they showed on TV later and it wasn't great. Immobile missed at least 3 chances that should've been sunk all day long. We have to be more clinical. Balo could’ve scored any of those. We've gone almost 4 games without scoring a goal, and we were fortunate to get a penalty at the end there. We were caught whining about that foul and were caught out stupidly. I didn’t like how Parolo played either lately. I think since Marchisio is decently fit again he should be able to get some more chances, I don’t know why he wasn’t called...I guess he hasn’t had much time back on the field, but he would be someone good to have back. I guess that was Di Biagio's last game as the FIGC said they should have everything in order by late May. He obviously didn't prove he could stay, not that he would've anyway most likely. It's also funny that after we failed to qualify we actually went up in the rankings, but lose and tie in a couple friendlies and fall 6 positions to 20th place, I read on Football Italia they calculated; Italy's lowest in history. Let's hope for Juve and TFC next week. Happy Easter as well. Oh and also if you can find any source that says Italy also wore the "Davide sempre con noi" on 27 March for the England game as well (I could've sworn I could see it embossed on it yesterday's game too), could you please add, as the source there now only says for March 23 Argentina. Thanks. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:17, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi; yeah, the Argentina game wasn't great for us; I know it was a fairly new squad with an interim manager, and we were technically facing a tough opponent, but aside from Higuain and Di Maria, most of the usual starters weren't playing, although a few came on in the second half, but Messi didn't even play either (and Spain also destroyed that Argentina side in their next friendly), and we were dominated for most of the game aside from a few glimpses of attacking potential, but we were mainly defending in our half for the large part of the match. Mind you, if Insigne and especially Immobile hadn't missed some really good chances, as you said, and if we had had more clinical forwards, the match could've also been different, and it's a shame Balo didn't play, yes. Buffon had a very good first half, and was our best player, and made some great saves to keep the score level, but his second half was mixed; I thought his handling was ok, as I don't remember him fumbling anything to be honest, and he made a couple of good saves in the second half, but I also thought that his age showed a bit on the goals, where he lacked explosiveness (especially on the first goal in which he didn't even dive, and on the second one I wonder if he made the wrong decision in coming out once again, even though he tried to correct his positioning, but he didn't have the athleticism to stop the shot, when it was on the near post...I'm not sure why he's been doing that so frequently as of late when he's always been so intelligent) and probably would've saved those shots when he was younger, even though they weren't quite as easy as they looked either, as the first one was screened and the second one was a very precise chip. Yeah, the England game wasn't great either, although it was better, and although England looked better at times, they also looked shaky as well on other occasions; I didn't see it all though, only the highlights mainly, but I agree that it was an annoying goal to concede as I think it was a weak foul, and we arguably also suffered a foul beforehand, but they took a clever free kick and caught us complaining about the decision – terrible defending on our part –, although I still think the ref probably could've called play back...I don't know for, but oh well. We got a lucky penalty as well, which didn't seem very clear to me, even from the replay, so at least that went our way in the end. Yeah, Parolo has never been that great in my opinion...he's alright, but not an amazing midfielder, sort of reminds me of a poor man's Dino Baggio (who was a good midfielder for Italy, and similar in terms of his his skillset, although he was better both defensively and offensively, but like Parolo was also not world class in terms of talent, but then again he was definitely way more consistent and decisive both for Italy and at club level); Parolo's ok defensively, he works hard, and he scores a few goals and has a decent shot, good movement, and is good in the air, but he isn't very skilful, creative, or notably quick either, and he isn't a remarkable passer, although his distribution is usually quite solid, so he's a bit limited at times, and he isn't a purely defensive work-horse like Gattuso who could really let a playmaker Pirlo work his magic. Marchisio is far better, I agree, but unfortunately he's had so many injuries and hasn't played very much, which is a shame, as he's so complete and a world-class midfielder on his day. In spite of his injuries, he's still quite quick, and can run and win balls, but his technique and passing are also great, and he still has good attacking instincts as well with his runs and striking ability. Yeah, Di Biagio didn't impress; I hope we get some decent as our full-time manager now. Yeah, that goes to show how silly the rankings are! Yes, Fingers crossed for Juve and TFC tomorrow! By the way, I found a source for the Astori article regarding the embossment in his memory under the Italy crest in the friendly against Argentina. Best regards, Messirulez (talk) 03:43, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Swimming world record succession boxes

Hi, before you remove more swimming WR succession boxes like here, could you please discuss this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Swimming? They are used on many swimming biographies and it's best to be consistent across Wikipedia. If the community has already made a decision to remove them, can you link me to it? Thanks, Gap9551 (talk) 04:16, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Having looked more into it, Template:Succession box does not mention the boxes being discontinued. Is there a discussion about this at either the swimming, sports, of general community level? I know the football project has some ideas on this, but that does not apply to boxes outside of football articles. For now I restored the boxes in the Paltrinieri article, but we can remove them from all swimming biography articles (not just one) if there is consensus for doing so in the relevant communities. Gap9551 (talk) 04:52, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Gap9551: Hi. I don’t know about swimming, but at WT:FOOTY here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Archive 101#Team Captains succession box: use or no use? we came to a conclusion where they are generally frowned upon, although I guess this pertains more to captains, but I think there are some other discussions as well. I was basically removing the pages for the Gazzetta dello Sport Italian sportsman of the year as I saw a user add it to a footballer which I traced back to a few other athletes. Personally, it doesn’t matter much to me, but I think for awards successions it’s pretty much useless, but for records I can see how it may be more useful. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 04:54, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok, I understand what you mean now. You're right, the boxes are sometimes used for 'achievements' that aren't notable enough. I'm also not really sure about whether national sportsperson titles should qualify. But I think that for any type of achievement they should be either included or removed consistently. Gap9551 (talk) 05:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Gap9551: Yeah exactly, that’s one of the major issues on Wikipedia in lack of consistency. Especially for something like this, it can be very hard to enforce or agree upon. Maybe you’d want to raise a point at the swimming project. Happy New Year! Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 05:10, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

For the sportsman boxes it would have to be discussed higher up I think, or at WikiProject Italy. Happy new year to you too! Gap9551 (talk) 05:22, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

(←) Evidently the boy has a certain dislike for the boxes of succession, he has me deleted 15 :) However I think it is appropriate that the question of the usefulness or not of the boxes of succession is addressed in appropriate locations and does not therefore become a war edit. --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Problems with Admins

Hi, I have a question: do you have sometimes problems with some admin that delete a whole page, or almost, just for little mistakes, and then they also delete the conversation in wich I ask for an explanation and treathens a block when they have nothing to support their case? Can they do in this way? If yes, then I think there's something wrong in Wikipedia and if no, what is possible to do with this issue? Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 19:38, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Charlie Foxtrot66: Hi. Yeah, sometimes Wikipedia can be pretty bureaucratic, but we have to deal with it. As long as you source claims to reliable sources, there really shouldn't be a problem, but I must admit, although we value your contributions, sometimes your writing can have several grammatical and spelling errors, which I have needed to fix in the past. Even though, this shouldn't be a case for deletion. Like I said before, if you ever need help looking at an article or text before you publish, let me know and I can take a look. You may be referring to your deleted page Davide Longo (writer), which I have not looked into deeply, but you must also consider if he is notable per WP:GNG. I also recommend you make a user page, as having a redlinked name does set some people off. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:51, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Apart Davide Longo, and apart Piero Operto in wich they made problems because according to them was a living person while he's dead almost 70 years ago, I really don't understand what they did with the Boves Massacre and the way they behaved after.... I can understand my english isn't perfect, I'm Italian living in Holland, and my lack of experience in editing Wikipedia, but still I think that some admins are more a damage than a help and I hope is possible to do something.... this is not about the Wiki rules but the behaviour of some admin. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 21:00, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

@Charlie Foxtrot66: Yeah, I get it, I've seen my fair share of crazy behaviour from admins, and it's hard to keep your cool, but we need to try as hard as possible. I would also recommend looking at WP:CITEWEB, it shows you how to cite full references for websites, and also other mediums like books and such. I looked briefly at Boves massacre, and much of the text was unsourced, but maybe it's because a lot of the info was in that one source you used at the end. If you use a <ref name=boves/> tag when citing for example, you can use the same reference multiple times without needing to write the full reference again. Perhaps try the addition again like this and I can be of assistance with grammar. I only have a beginner-intermediate level of understanding Italian thus far, so it is unfortunate I cannot help in properly translating text. Buon Anno! Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 21:12, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok then. If it's like that, then I don't know if I'll take again the risk to work in editing or creating pages just to see everything deleted like that. Now the Boves Massacre is restored and full of mistakes like before, and it seems that Wikipedia likes it this way. By the way, Buon Anno anche a te. Charlie Foxtrot66 (talk) 10:35, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Juve article, line-ups and quotes

FA articles about Manchester United and Liverpool not included both and nobody cares, both remain with that status. Including that is not a rule and Real Madrid or Barcelona articles are not the MoS. However, for have a GA status, JFC article has much problems, firstly its weight (over 40 Kb. the limit in en.wiki witch make more difficult read it) for including details that not add some important for the argument. Repeat, for line-ups exists the single match articles and its graphics, for quotes exist Wikiquote and there are one about Juve.--Dantetheperuvian (talk) 05:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

@Dantetheperuvian: I’ll bring it up at WT:FOOTY. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 05:44, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Merseyside derby and a question

Hello my friend, I think you may remember me over a debate on Atalanta B.C. in European football article. I need your help on another article, which is Merseyside derby. There was list of honors from both teams as a separate section but a user consistently deleting it and argues that it is irrelevant. I gave him examples such as El Clásico, that even those pages have that honors section. I just looked at saw even Juventus F.C.–A.C. Milan rivalry have it. So, my question is, do you know how to open a debate article? If you could tell me, I would open one for this discussion. I am sick of it because the user just takes decision on his/her own. That's ridiculous. Thank you. Omerlaziale (talk) 18:57, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

@Omerlaziale: Yes, the Atalanta page was over a proposed deletion of the entire article. The case with the Merseyside derby is only a particular section of the article. While I don't really have a position whether the honours should or shouldn't be in derby articles, they should all be consistent with each other. If you want to start a discussion you can do so at the article talk page or at the football project WT:FOOTY to gain more exposure. Happy New Year! Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:05, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Rincon and Torino-Juve contract

Hi

I recently reverted your modification to "out on loan" Juventus players as you removed Rincon: This player had only collected enough caps to be obligatory bought from Torino (from option to buy, to obligation to buy). This obligation will effectively take place in next summer, when loan will be over. Till that day he continue to be a Juventus player on loan to Torino, thus he have to still be listed in this section.

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riktetta (talk • contribs) 2018-01-08T13:50:53 (UTC)

@Riktetta: Can you provide a source that says that, because Football Italia says he is bought outright. @Matthew hk: as well. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

the football italia may be a reliable source. However, the clear consensus of football project was separating loan and outright deal, just like Juan Cuadrado. Matthew_hk tc 19:37, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

@Matthew hk: So you're saying Rincon shouldn't be listed as on loan at the Juventus page, right? Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 19:41, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

The signing should be completed and the player should be removed from the main article Juventus F.C., but in 2017–18 Juventus F.C. season, may be some footnote that he was on loan for the first half of the season. It just entirely unencyclopedic to have WP:OR on the loan contract was set to expire on 30 June 2018, and the effective date of the outright deal according to their WP:OR, was X-Y-Z date thing. Stick to the date of the news that came out. La Gazzetta, quoting La Stampa interview with Cairo, confirmed the signing. However, La Stampa had a paywall which i can't find the original full interview. Matthew_hk tc 19:57, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, we have his sale outright listed in the winter transfers after the option to buy was exercised. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 20:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

It is not an option, but an obligation to buy when the player met certain sporting objective to be exact (Juve use l’obbligo ), so it is unencyclopedic to have statement such as "the entire effective date was on mid-2018", which did not have any source to support unless you hack into to the database and get the contract to have a look, or a heavily interpretation on transfer regulation (in the past excised to enter co-ownership, FIGC did specify June as the dedicated excised time, but we are not talking about co-ownership but conditional obligation to buy ). It should be removed from the squad list of Juventus F.C. Matthew_hk tc 20:18, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Canada Day

Hi, I see that you undid my edit.

I am also a very proud Canadian, who has been working since 2012 to ensure that Canada Day is celebrated on July 1st everywhere in Canada. However, due to archaic legislation, this is not the case. It is very important that the facts are true in published articles, so that this situation can be corrected.

Please reference the Federal Holidays Act, or search Ontario Statutory Holidays to see that I am speaking the truth. Thanks CanadaDayShouldBeOnJuly1st (talk) 14:58, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry Vaselineeeeeeee. I don't mean to use your talk page for this as it should be discussed at the article, but this new editor is becoming problematic.

@CanadaDayShouldBeOnJuly1st: No. Canada Day will be on July 1 just as it is every year. That people are legally given a day off work on another day is immaterial.

Consider when other fixed holidays are celebrated. When Christmas falls on a Sunday, do you open your gifts on the Monday? No. And it's not just because that's Boxing Day or you're Germanic and open your gifts on Christmas Eve. Do not confuse the day off with the day on which it's celebrated. Feel free to show up for Canada Day celebrations in your city, town, village or county on Monday this year. You'll likely be part of the clean-up crew and they'll enjoy your help. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

@Walter Görlitz: Consider commenting at Talk:Canada Day#July 1/2. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 04:36, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Will if the edits start up. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:06, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Giacinto Facchetti

Ugh; I don't want to badmouth anyone but that user is so frustrating because he just lazily deletes any unsourced honours without even trying to do a bit of research to find sources which could usually easily be found online...he just did that with the Tevez article, and I'm going to revert it once I can find sources for all the honours. Regarding Facchetti, it's hard to find sources for players from the older eras...I'll see what I can do. Best regards,

Messirulez (talk) 18:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

haha ok thanks. And ya, I know what you mean about him.....but I guess if you follow by the book to the T, then that's how it is, but I don't think it's a reason to get rid of the whole table. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:23, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Managed to find quite a few sources for his club appearances (thankfully Inter have a record of their players' appearances in all competitions, not only Serie A, which is what most Italian statistical websites include, and as Facchetti spent his entire there it ended up being quite simple haha). The international appearances were easy as thankfully the FIGC website is great for that. Best, Messirulez (talk) 18:52, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Excellent! Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 20:24, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	You deserve this barnstar for cooperating & helping me at List of Serie A hat-tricks article. It looks like a piece of art and I hope it earns "featured list". Thank you very much and I hope to have the opportunity to work with you again . Sadsadas (talk) 13:14, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks man, hopefully we got them all! Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 16:51, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

My talk page

Hi there V, all well?

Really there was no need to revert the anon user in my talk page, i have the fear they were being a bit sarcastic in their tone but i cannot be 100% sure. I have left a note as well to the IP, let's see if they heed this time (even though User:Mattythewhite has done the same and the IP clearly graps the English language, don't know what more can be done, really).

Happy editing, regards --Quite A Character (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: Everything’s good thanks. No worries, I just thought that I should remove obviously wrong and ignorant comments. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 22:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Juve-Fiorentina

Hi, yeah the season links were just something I felt would be useful but no onus on anyone else to include them. It would now be quicker to add them onto the tables for the other derbies since the piped text is on there now, but to be honest I'm not really bothered about them, just wanted to make all improvements I could to this one since we were preparing it. I have a table for players on another article which would be suitable for this so I'll do that tonight. Crowsus (talk) 22:41, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

@Crowsus: What do you mean quicker to add to the other articles? Like you mean copy and paste from this article to the others? If so, yeah it would be a little quicker that way. I guess it wouldn't be much longer for me to just change the link numbers as I go to put in the rest of the results, so I suppose I could just do it along the way to save having to go back. I'd like it to be consistent so maybe we can work to do that after the Juve-Fiorentina article is done. I also want to make a Juve-Napoli rivalry page after this as that is very strong as well. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 22:58, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Bad Blood

Thanks for that, I hadn't seen it. Yeah, even though the original episode ratings only include live viewers, an overall viewership number would include streams on Citytv's website or CraveTV. My understanding of Wikipedia practice is that we don't update the total episode count on the basis of the initial production announcement, but wait until the second season has actually premiered. Bearcat (talk) 00:13, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

@Bearcat: True. Probably also including the French language viewers in their broadcast a couple months later. Also if you find anything on how critics received the show, please add or let me know. I can't really seem to find anything of substance right now even on Rotten Tomatoes. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 00:17, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, that's true too, I forgot about the French run. I'll keep an eye out for critical reviews as well, though I suspect if you can't find anything there's probably not much out there. Bearcat (talk) 00:19, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

One option would be to split the cast list up into three groups: one for the actors who carried through both seasons, a second for the actors who appeared only in Season 1, and a third for the actors who appeared only in Season 2. Another alternative would be to keep the cast list together, but add some kind of "(Season 1)" or "(Season 2)" notation after the names of the actors who only appeared in one season or the other. Bearcat (talk) 17:29, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

@Bearcat: I like that second option, and actually, after looking at Breaking Bad, that's how they've done it. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 17:42, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Clubs of football world champions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Clubs_of_football_world_champions#Unofficial_competitions_(waiting_for_total_formalization)

Hello Vaselineeeeeeee (great nickname) :-). I am again... i' have a Draft pending for a long time, you can help me to publish it? or even improve it? :-) Clubs of football world champions is present in 28 languages but to miss in english, it seems to me a good page... ;)

thank you :-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vituscecco (talk • contribs) 01:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vituscecco: I don't really see a need for the page as the user who declined the submission seems to be correct as it is a combination of List of UEFA club competition winners, List of Intercontinental Cup (football) winners and List of FIFA Club World Cup finals. Can you show me the corresponding page in another language, probably Italian, for which you claim articles exist? Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 02:33, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

ok thank you, yes... ;) :-) https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societ%C3%A0_calcistiche_campioni_del_mondo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vituscecco (talk • contribs) 09:20, 30 March 2018 (UTC) --Vituscecco (talk) 10:51, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vituscecco: I see. So I think the issue is that there is far too much info in your draft that doesn't relate to the article like Copa Rio. I think if you structure it more like the Italian or French article, it should be a good article to have here also in English. If you're open to some removal and making it more concise, I think I can help, especially because I don't think English is your first language :) Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 16:48, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@ Vaselineeeeeeee Thanks!, I come from northern Italy but i also write in Sicilian (my dad is Sicilian) the page in sicilian of Clubs of football world champions is written by me :-). I will entrust the draft to you, and then we update coming soon, ok? :-) --Vituscecco (talk) 18:25, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vituscecco: I've published it now at List of world champion football clubs. I think it is comparable to List of UEFA club competition winners now. Thanks for raising this to my attention. Also, do you know if there's a page for List of world champion football club winning managers in another language, similar to List of UEFA club competition winning managers or it:Allenatori vincitori delle competizioni UEFA per club? Saluti, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 18:04, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

@ Vaselineeeeeeee Thanks to you! It is for me a satisfaction, without your help would not have been possible :-). Yes... look: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allenatori_vincitori_delle_competizioni_UEFA_per_club#Classifica_per_allenatore ;) Ciao!--Vituscecco (talk) 02:28, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vituscecco: Hey no problem man. My father’s parents are also from Sicily. Yes, I know of that article, I linked it above, but it is only for the UEFA competitions. I’ll probably make one for the club world champions soon. Buona Pasqua. :) Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 03:04, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: Sicily <3 ;) Thanks, yes is probably, maybe look: https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categoria:Allenatori_di_calcio_campioni_del_mondo_di_club

i removed de facto... Because the people can confusing, alone "symbolic" is ok, for experience. ;) In Italy for this discussion there were heavy quarrels. I miss the intercontinental cup, i have lived many editions was leggendary matches, battles, the intercontinental cup is the most fascinating football competition ever existed thanks to the great balance in the field given by the lower economic gap of the time and rules on foreign players who gradually favored the European teams and weakened the South American teams....Buona Pasqua you too ;) --Vituscecco (talk) 04:23, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vituscecco: Hey, I've made List of world champion football club winning managers if you wanted to take a look. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 21:19, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: Yessss very well! Thank you so much ;) --Vituscecco (talk) 00:51, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

RE: Serie A records - Buffon

:Ciao. Can you tell me why you changed the record from 959 minutes supported by multiple sources by Football Italia: [1] and [2] to 791 minutes?

On the Italian Wiki it says: "Dall'47' di Udinese-Juventus 2-6 (rete di Danilo, 9ª giornata) al 28' di Juventus-Milan 3-1 (rete di Leonardo Bonucci, 30ª giornata). Non ha disputato le partite della 12ª, 13ª, 16ª, 17ª, 18ª, 19ª, 20ª, 21ª, 22ª, 25ª e 28ª giornata (al suo posto giocò Wojciech Szczęsny)."

How does this add up given the games Szczęsny played? How are you calculating this? Are you saying the 959 includes some games Szczęsny played? If so, it doesn't add up. You guys have any sources for 791 minutes?? Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 13:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Ciao. According to many Italian sources (for example 1 2 3 4, etc.) the 959 minute record belongs to the club (Juventus), including both Buffon and Szczęsny games. Even your sources say "Juve’s 959-minute Serie A clean sheet" (cit.), not Buffon's. Based on my colleagues in Italian Wikipedia, Buffon alone got 791 minutes. I haven't done the calculations myself, though. --L'Eremita (talk) 14:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

@L'Eremita: Thanks for the response. Fair enough, you’re right it does say “Juve” and not specifically Buffon. I’ve reverted myself. Buona Pasqua. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 16:37, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

OK. Buona Pasqua! --L'Eremita (talk) 16:49, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Money Heist will be a full Netflix Original going forward

Netflix acquired complete rights for Season 3, including in Spain where it'll be exclusive to Netflix too. I think that does make it a proper Netflix Original going forward.--occono (talk) 21:49, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@Occono: Could you raise this at the page's talk page because if Netflix aqcuired it for third part, I think that should be explicelty stated on the article. Also at the template Template:Netflix original series, should that make the show starting from a 2019 block, for from the 2017 block? Maybe better to get more opinions. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 22:45, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

It is already stated and sourced in the article, where it mentions the renewal. The upcoming third part is fully exclusive to Netflix, including in Spain.--occono (talk) 22:50, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@Occono: Oh yes, I see it at the bottom there. Ok, so at the template, do you think we should add the show from the year of acquisition in 2018, or from its new release in 2019? Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 22:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

If international exclusives don't belong in the template, then from 2019 as Series 3.--occono (talk) 23:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@Occono: That's what I was thinking because the template is only from original series presented on Netflix only. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:07, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

@Occono: So I added the show to List of original programs distributed by Netflix, but was reverted, as it says: "These shows had their original production commissioned by Netflix, or had additional seasons commissioned by Netflix." Maybe these are real guidelines, maybe not, I'm not heavily invested in this subject, but, there does seem to be logical sense with this as since the original production of the show was not distributed by Netflix, how can it truly be a "Netflix original series"? I think for this reason, I will remove it from the template and the category. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 13:47, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Never mind, it's in the "Continuations" section of that article, it was just because I put it in the wrong section; I need to read a bit more carefully! Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 13:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Nicolas Frey

Hi there, how's it going?

Can you please help out in this article's reference #2? I have already started translating it, but did not complete the "task at hand".

On the subject, i have already contacted User:Messirulez, but he has been wikiabsent for a long time, hopefully all is well in his real life! Thank you very much in advance with whatever you can provide, best regards from Portugal --Quite A Character (talk) 20:46, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

@Quite A Character: Hi! Thanks for your message. I've also noticed Messirulez has been away for quite a while; I've wanted to talk football with him as so much has happened in the football world this April! My Italian has gotten a lot better in the last year or so ever since I started taking Italian classes, definitely as far as rules/conjugations go...developing my vocabulary and articulating in speech is something that still needs work of course. Anyway, so the references says "Mutu si ferma, Gilardino no – Fiorentina corsara con il Chievo", which you've translated so far to say "Mutu closes up, Gilardino not – Fiorentina with Chievo". I'd say that you can still keep it as "Gilardino no" in the English traslation as well, as "Gilardino not" doesn't really sound right; you could go for "not Gilardino" I suppose, but I think it's fine to just keep it the same. "Corsara" is something I haven't seen before. Even when I looked into the word, I found it literally means privateer in English, which I've never heard of either! The article states "A privateer is a private person or ship that engages in maritime warfare under a commission of war", so my guess is that it means Fiorentina and Chievo were playing against each other "in battle" so to speak. My thoughts are is that "corsara" in this context would be hard to translate over in English. If you need advice on Italian translation and Messirulez isn't around I'd suggest User:Tanonero, he's a native speaker. By the way Tanonero, not sure if you saw the derby today, but that was insane by Juve at the end! I know the points are not only important to us and our title race with Napoli, but also for Inter for Champions League qualification. Sorry! :) Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 22:49, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Quite A Character and Vaselineeeeeeee: The first half of the title refers to the fact that Mutu, which apparently was the main goalscorer for Fiorentina up to that point, did not play because of bad form, yet he was well replaced by Gilardino. So, I'd say that perhaps "Mutu halted, not Gilardino" is a better translation (or something along these lines). "Corsaro/a" means "pirate", and in this context (as correctly guessed) it means that Fiorentina was quite combative. So, my translation would be "Mutu halted, not Gilardino – A combative Fiorentina against Chievo".

The game yesterday was a roller-coast and at the end I was so disappointing (still am) for the missed chance to beat Juve with 10 men that I don't want to talk about it. :D

Coincidentally, I've just returned from a week spent in Canada. Best regards, --Tanonero (msg) 10:04, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Tanonero: Thanks for helping! Hey that's cool you were here. First time? Just for fun? Well, the country is so big you could've been anywhere. Where were you? Hope you enjoyed it! Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 11:59, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: I was in Montreal to present at the annual edition of the Conference on Human Factors in Computing Systems. Cool city. I also went to Laval to visit another second generation Canadian-Italian who is also cousin of my partner. No, it wasn't my first team. In 2015, I visited Vancouver while presenting to another conference, the Conference on Computer Supported Cooperative Work (CSCW). Even cooler city. --Tanonero (msg) 12:10, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Tanonero: Interesting. Yes, Montreal is a nice city, although there is a little bit of a rivalry between Toronto and Montreal – likely stemming partly from hockey, but also because of the English vs French speaking mentalities. People usually say it has a more "European" feel especially in Old Montreal with the cobble stone streets and old churches – same with Quebec City. Yes, Montreal also has a large Italian Canadian population. Vancouver is also very nice – in the summer, as in the winter they don't get much snow but instead a lot of rain. Canada is such a geographically diverse country, which is why I love to travel "locally". Banff National Park in Alberta is absolutely stunning, as well as Eastern Canada – The Maritimes. They have an excellent museum there at Pier 21 in Nova Scotia, which was the port in which hundreds of thousands of Italian immigrants first set foot – including my grandparents. I'd also obviously recommend Toronto, I wouldn't doubt that one of your conferences will hold a venue there in the future – but also a great vacation spot anyway. The Toronto waterfront is beautiful with Lake Ontario there – lots of things to do. In spite of the horrific Toronto van attack that killed 10 last week, which also included an Italian Canadian, occurring 20 minutes away from where I live, Toronto is a very safe city. I guess that's enough PR hahaha, Best regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 16:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi! I just wanted to offer my sincerest apologies to everyone for my extended absence from Wikipedia and for not getting back to you in a long time; I've decided that I should probably spend less time on wikipedia as I need to focus on my doctorate right now. I've returned briefly just to polish up a few things, and I will tend to any unread messages. I hope you're all doing well, take care! All the best, Messirulez (talk) 21:55, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Re: Maldini

I guess we will remove it for now because he wasn't in the match-day squad and one of his Milan profiles doesn't list it in his honours. Best, Messirulez (talk) 04:49, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Ok. While you were away, we also had a little discussion about if you win a Serie A title or not if you leave half way during the season for example. If you're interested you can look at: Talk:Kingsley Coman#2015-16 Serie A title?. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 12:35, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

That's a tricky question; I'm not entirely sure, to be honest. As far as I'm aware you don't, as I know the medals are given out to the players in the squad in the ceremony in the final home game of the season. Having said that I do think that there have been exceptions...I think Ronaldinho was sent a medal for his contribution to Milan's scudetto in the first half of the 2010-11 season, even though he left for Brazil half-way through, but I haven't really found too much information on this. I wish there were something clearly stated to avoid any ambiguity or confusion regarding these matters, but there isn't, which is why these issues have arisen with whether a player "won" a title or not. But as far as I know in Italy everyone is listed as having won a title as long as they are part of the squad even if they didn't play. I know this might seem unusual, but at the same time, players who were in a World Cup-winning squad who didn't play still received a medal as well, so if that is accepted then I don't really see why the former should seem strange. Best, Messirulez (talk) 00:22, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you for correcting me about Ancelotti. I have learned something and will only cite official sources or news outlets once official statements have been made. Thanks for being so watchful! Jakepjohnson (talk) 11:32, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

@Jakepjohnson: Hey, thanks! Yes, we always want to wait for an official sources that says for certain they are a part of the club, usually after they sign a contract. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 12:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Re: Buffon

I was wondering about that myself. Maybe we could add what was said after the match and penalty/sending off in the controversy section and state that it drew media criticism and that it led to a fine and a ban, but then in the career section we could just state what is already there, that it was a red card for dissent after a contentious injury time penalty (and it was a controversial decision; I'm not saying it definitely wasn't a penalty, as there was some contact but if pundits have been debating it after seeing the replay at different angles, then obviously it's something which in real time should have been left to continue, especially considering the circumstances, so Oliver made a poor decision), and that he was fined and later banned for three matches. I'm annoyed he was banned that long; it's excessive when all he did was speak his mind. His comments weren't nice, but he didn't say anything offensive, it's not like he physically assaulted the referee (and Joe Hart put his head against him in the past and Oliver did nothing), and it's not like he used any slurs or anything like that. How come they never ban Cristiano Ronaldo for diving and getting players sent off unfairly, or Sergio Ramos for dangerous conduct such as injuring two players in the Champions League final, or unsportsmanlike behaviour, such as making a meal out of Cuadrado's supposed stamp on his hand? UEFA have no guts at all when it comes to dealing with big teams and players, and it's rather pathetic. And the fact that they won't adopt the VAR, which might have not led to the penalty being given, just shows how weak and backward they are as an organistation. I heard PSG might back out on their offer for him depending on how long the ban is, so we will see what happens. It will be odd if he goes to PSG, especially when they have Areola who is young and solid, and Gigi is 40 now. I don't know if it's the best decision; I know he wants to win the Champions League, but in spite of everything they have invested PSG just seem to lack the mentality to do well in Europe. Plus I wanted Gigi to go out still on top, and every year, even though he's still a decent keeper, he seems to get a bit slower with age and more error-prone. Plus it's sad to see him leave Juve if he's not retiring. Best, Messirulez (talk) 14:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Just because I'm worried that I'm going crazy or being biased, please tell me what you think of this when rereading it (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/44370953 it's a transcript of the translation of his comments on a BBC article regarding the ban):

"I know the referee saw what he saw, but it was certainly a dubious incident. Not clear-cut.

"And a dubious incident at the 93rd minute when we had a clear penalty denied in the first leg, you cannot award that at this point.

"The team gave its all, but a human being cannot destroy dreams like that at the end of an extraordinary comeback on a dubious situation.

"Clearly you cannot have a heart in your chest, but a bag of rubbish. On top of that, if you don't have the character to walk on a pitch like this in a stadium like this, you can sit in the stands with your wife, your kids, having your drink and eating crisps.

"You cannot ruin the dreams of a team. I could have told the referee anything at that moment, but he had to understand the degree of the disaster he was creating.

"If you can't handle the pressure and have the courage to make a decision, then you should just sit in the stands and eat your crisps."

It doesn't seem like he said anything all that terrible to me; is criticism and sensible freedom of expression no longer permitted? I'm all for political correctness in this day and age, especially when a dangerous and powerful world leader like Trump is spouting lies and saying racist, offensive, and misogynistic things on a daily basis, but a comment like this...I think there are more serious problems in the world right now, and it's not worth being offended by something like that; then older people have the gall to call millennials "snowflakes" when they lack just as much backbone in life at times. Obviously Gigi was annoyed because it was possibly his final Champions League game ever and his last chance of winning the title, and Juve were 10 seconds away from sending the match into extra-time in Madrid after making an incredible comeback after losing 3–0 at home, and Gigi was having a good game and keeping a clean sheet, and then Oliver had to go and give a dubious penalty and then send him off when he even might have even saved the penalty, so obviously one must understand, regardless of his age and experience, that he would have been furious in a situation like that, which is only normal. Even Maldini was upset at Moreno in the round of 16 match against Korea in 2002 when Totti was sent off. And on top of that, Gigi has always been respectful of his opponents and officials and has never put the blame on decisions like that in the past and has always been an example in terms of sportsmanship, so it really annoys me to hear people who know nothing about football say that he disgraced himself and tarnished his career with his comments on Oliver's officiating. Obviously what happened afterwards with Oliver's wife's phone being hacked and her number being posted online and that they received death threats is disgraceful, and the people who did that are deplorable, but that has nothing to do with Buffon's comments. He didn't incite hatred. He even said that it was a dubious incident himself, and he later said that he shouldn't have expressed his views in that manner but that he stands by his criticism, and there's nothing wrong with that. Mourinho blames the officials all the time! Best, Messirulez (talk) 14:19, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: I like that idea! Yes, I think what he actually said is notable enough for inclusion in the controversy section, and that's how we can differentiate between the two sections. He said quite a few quotes eh lol do you think we should include all of those? Yeah, the ban is really stupid for all your reasons. I think the ethics board probably went on it harder after Oliver was receiving death threats, which of course have nothing to do with Buffon. Sometimes political correctness can be taken too far, and sometimes it is annoying, but I don't think Buffon was way out of line either. I think the piece the board is looking at too is that he said Oliver had no courage and is basically saying he doesn't even have the courage to be a referee, which I can see how the board may see that. But it was not offensive or hate filled in my opinion. Maybe we can pick the middle three quotes to include, but we shouldn't include anything about Oliver's death threats has it has nothing to do with Buffon, if you agree. But hearing some comments about how it dented Buffon's career also infuriated me. It was his last chance at Champions League with the team that he loves for God sakes! There's tons of emotion. Maybe he will try and appeal it if he plays on? Maybe the board gave him a ban because it is likely it would never be able to be enforced anyway? Yeah I hope he doesn't go to PSG that would be a bad move in my opinion, at this point there would be no point. This last year Buffon's had a couple hicups but he finished strong, and if he doesn't continue with Juve, then I think he should just go into a club position like Nedved and Totti did. Did you hear that Pirlo is training for his coaching liscense? I thought that he's said before he had no interest in being a coach, at least that's what I remember from his autobio. It was sad not to see Buffon have a proper send off for the national team, as I wish he at least played in the final friendly yesterday at Juventus Stadium. But Perin did play very good. Hopefully Juve are close to signing him like the reports say, even tho I think Szeczney is still pretty decent. I think even for now, given Donnarumma is only 19, maybe Perin should even be Italy's starting keeper right now. It's still going to be up for competition, but Perin looks pretty solid right now. Balo scored in his first game back, and what an amazing goal it was! Of course it was only against Saudi, but that was great for him. Shame on some of the Italians who still think he isn't "Italian". That banner was nasty and I hoped he would've been the captain against France, but Bonucci still played. That was so dumb how Criscito got a red card in the last game, it probably was the right call, but it's a friendly cmon. It was pretty poor marking for the Dutch equalizer...I hope we don't go down any further than 20 in the rankings! Chiesa played really well, just couldn't sink one. It was good to see Zaza come back since the terrible penalty at the Euro and get a goal, good set up by Chiesa. Italy is really young now, so it will probably take some time, but I hope they can find their way soon with Mancini as Euro qualification is coming up soon. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 14:38, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree with all of that. I'm not sure what is best to include of the Buffon quotes on Oliver...I was thinking of putting them all together, but whatever you think is best I'm happy with! No, I didn't hear about Pirlo getting his coaching licence, but they always say that midfielders make the best coaches, so hopefully that's the case with him as well... ;) Yeah it's a shame Buffon didn't get a sendoff in Turin, but at least he managed to play one more game for Italy this year. I agree, Perin was on fire against the Netherlands and looks really great and I think he should start for Italy over Donnarumma, who is talented but still needs to grow at the moment. Sirigu has also been good as of late and had a decent season with Torino, and I'm happy for him because he went through a rough spell when I felt he was unfairly dropped by PSG for Trapp, who wasn't much more reliable, so he could also play a game every now and then and he has experience. The good thing is that we seem to have good keepers. I'm surprised we're getting Perin though, as I don't know if it's the best idea when he said we would focus on Szeczney, who has done really well this season in spite of competition for a starting spot with Buffon, and has really developed and improved since coming to Italy, so it seems a bit disrespectful to him to not show him confidence considering all the work he has put in and all the pressure he has dealt with, but then again, although he's fairly young, he isn't a really long-term solution, so Perin would be a great signing for the future, as he's still very young and definitely looks very promising. As long as he can avoid getting injured, he looks potentially world class in my opinion, as he's so quick, athletic, and reactive, and really good in his shot-stopping, and on top of that, I always like having Italian players in our team as we are an Italian side, and we have been competitive in Europe these past few years, so I like the fact that Italian players can start in good sides so that our national team will be stronger. I also feel that Perin needs to start and get playing time, especially after his injury struggles; unless we loan him out, but then I don't know if that's great for his confidence either. Maybe the competition will help them both, but I feel like a keeper needs to have faith put in them and know that they're the permanent starter considering the responsibility being placed on them. Yeah, I thought we didn't play that well against France, but against Saudi Arabia (not the strongest opponent, no offence to them, but still a win) and the Netherlands (I know they're also struggling now and aren't what they used to be, but they're still the Netherlands; we should've won in my opinion as I thought we outplayed them until the sending off, even though our goal was lucky with Zaza getting the rebound which bounced off him but Chiesa did well and Zaza was in the right position, and we also had some chances incorrectly ruled offside. And yes the marking on the goal was poor and the red-card was a bit silly; it's a shame because I thought Criscito looked quite good in these past few games, but he lost his opponent, and although I get it was technically a last man challenge, he really was going for the ball and almost got it, so I thought it was harsh to send him off when it was only a friendly as well) I thoguht we did well, and Balo looked good in both games he played, as did Chiesa. Hopefully with an experienced manager like Mancini and these new talented young players, as well as some other more experienced good players, they are on the right track. I hope we can come back from this and qualify for the Euros and do well as you said. Yeah, the stupid racist banners regarding Balotelli are stupid, but unfortunately with the Lega Nord being led by a xenophobic, racist, neo-Fascist imbecile like Salvini getting so many more votes in the past election, it was expected. I'm glad they gave him the captain's armband and that he shut them up with a goal and two good performances. Hopefully he can keep this up after his good form in France, even though I still feel like his mentality is an issue, like it always was with Cassano, and it's a shame that both have only shown glimpses of their talent and true potential at times, but I hope that under Mancini, with whom he had a good relationship at Inter and Man City, that he can play well for Italy again, like he did with Prandelli who also showed faith in him. Best, Messirulez (talk) 15:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Messirulez: Agreed :) I've added the passage to the controversy section, with all the quotes, we'll see if anyone has any issue with that. Feel free to touch anything up. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 15:15, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Take care! Messirulez (talk) 15:33, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Italy attendance

This source show 20,500 as the Gazzetta dello Sport newspaper of 5 June, page 2.--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:12, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

@Tanonero: Hi. What do you think of the IPs edits? At first he was citing the attendances with no sources, you can see the Italy national football team edit history page, but the attendances are shown in the soccerway reports now. I know you always update the attendance usually using Gazzetta, but for consistency with Italy national football team results (2010–29) what do you think we should use? If we use the match report with one attendance, we shouldn't be listing a different one in the parameter. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:20, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I putting attendances with no sources??? Soccerway site are a good website for the attendance!--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:22, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Last results: 2017

• Italy-Uruguay attendance 17,000 as here;
• Italy-Liechtenstein attendance 20,514 as here;
• Spain-Italy attendance 73,628 as here;

• Italy-Israel attendance 15,507 as here;
• Italy-Macedonia attendance 22,603 as here;
• Albania-Italy attendance 14,718 as here
• Sweden-Italy attendance 49,193 as here;
• Italy-Sweden attendance 72,696 as here;

2018

• Italy-Argentina attendance 25,000 as here;
• England-Italy attendance 82,598 as here;
• Italy-Saudi Arabia attendance 10,100 as here;
• France-Italy attendance 35,006 as here;
• Italy-Netherlads attendance 20,500 as here;

I repeat, soccerway website is as fantastic source for the attendances.--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:32, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

I said at first. I know soccerway is fine, but for consistency between Italy national football team results (2010–29) and the main page, we should follow one.Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:33, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

It's just to follow putting on the report soccerway site for friendlies. uefa and fifa report for qualification rounds and main competition, as always see the attendance on soccerway site.--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:37, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

He's actually right for even the FIFA match for example Italy-Albania that says 16,000 at the list page, even says 14,718 on the FIFA report listed. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:41, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, 14,718 is correct. Howewer in this page Italy national football team results (2010–29) can I fix the number attendance since 2010? I prefer to fix now, following soccerway site.--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:43, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

You know what, I think it would be fine, I guess you can go ahead and do it for now. We can see what Tanonero says after if he agrees. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 23:46, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Now I start to fix attendance on this page Italy national football team results (2010–29). See you later. When I finish, will put a message here.--212.171.112.196 (talk) 23:48, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi both. I always tried to look for sources mentioning the exact attendances, but sometimes I have to settle with rounded up numbers. If Soccerways reports the precise attendances, we should certainly use those numbers as well as using Soccerways as the source for the report (for every game except for the ones that can be found in FIFA/UEFA websites like the IP said above). I am happy to help, so we can maybe coordinate. --Tanonero (msg) 00:08, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done See here Italy national football team results (2010–29).--212.171.112.196 (talk) 00:26, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for that. If you have the appetite you could do Italy national football team results (1990–2009) too, but I can help you as well later :) thanks. I think it’s good to have consistency so I’d agree to use only soccerway reports for friendlies where they can be found. If they can’t then the eu.football reports look pretty good. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 00:57, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Maybe in the nexts days. :)--212.171.112.196 (talk) 01:06, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Tanonero: Maybe we should always use eu-football for attendance because soccerway doesn't always list the attendance [3] vs [4], where as eu-football always includes it, and very accurately I might add. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 12:36, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: I don't think we need to have a "rule", namely rely on on source only. In my opinion, we need to find match by match a source that displays accurate attendance if available (which I already do, but perhaps the attendances are updated later than when I look for them), otherwise every source is fine and we'll report rounded up attendances. --Tanonero (msg) 12:50, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Tanonero: I get that, but I guess the issue is, is that when you find a source, we don't actually use that source in the match report, mainly because they aren't usually full reports, which is why we might get someone who wants to add different numbers to the attendances like what just happened with this IP. That being said, I think eu-football is pretty fast in updating the matches, within an hour or so they'll list the referee and the attendance as well, something they do for every game, not just a select few like soccerway, and not just a rounded attendance. I think that if we wait a little for eu-football or something else that reports the attendance accurately, and something we can put in the report parameter, we should use that. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 13:03, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Agreed. --Tanonero (msg) 16:33, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@Tanonero: I've encountered a caveat with eu-football when teams are outside the UEFA zone, they do not list the goalscorers for those opponents. I guess this is becoming too trivial now, but I suppose we can just use soccerway sources when they face non-UEFA teams that list attendances, as it is probably better to have the goalscorers listed before the attendance. I'm still going to use it for UEFA-UEFA teams and where attendance numbers cannot be found. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 01:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

I think I've finished updating the lists with either soccerway or eu-football depending on the situation. I think this was good, as we were also able to catch a few mistakes that have been there for a while by accident. Regards, Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 03:58, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

@Vaselineeeeeeee: Nice job. :) --Tanonero (msg) 09:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

O Canada

Second generation Italian-Canadian, eh? So, tell me, how did your grandfather sing "O Canada"? Canada clearly was not his native land. How could he sing it? For him, the words are false.John Paul Parks (talk) 04:38, 24 June 2018 (UTC)