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UKIP has seemingly abandoned it's new logo in favour of the old Pound one, incl on their official Facebook, Twitter accounts, website too I think. Should wikipedia reflect that? 86.133.239.192 (talk) 23:50, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Best to wait for an official announcement indicating that the party has officially reverted its logo. Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:05, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here[1] Batten talks about the logo change and how it was the first "executive decision" he took as Interim Leader 2A02:C7D:16D3:E700:7471:3DE8:1516:C0F3 (talk) 23:48, 16 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RWeNjZ21CE&feature=youtu.be&t=145

https://web.archive.org/web/20180619073614/https://twitter.com/GerardBattenMEP/status/1008965204296765440 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.171.41 (talk) 07:42, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HS2

Mention that, like the Green Party, UKIP is opposed to HS2, on the ground that it is a pernicious project supported by bogus arguments. Seadowns (talk) 11:16, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is this something mentioned by WP:Reliable sources? If so, a brief mention might certainly be warranted at the appropriate juncture of the text. Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:14, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Number of councillors

Are we sure they have 183 councillors? In March the figure was 198, and according to this they've just lost 123 in the local elections? Surely the figures need updating. This is Paul (talk) 16:35, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The source used for other parties' councillor figures says it's updated for May 2018 elections, and it says that Ukip have 211 councillors. I'm not sure why open council data has such a different figure. Ralbegen (talk) 20:28, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It seems a bit confusing. BTW, someone's now changed it to 126, which can't be correct either, as assuming 198 was right then the figure should now be 75. If 211 is correct then ignore my previous ramblings. This is Paul (talk) 21:18, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

They won 176 seats in 2015, 58 in 2016, 1 seat in 2017 and 3 in 2018. Meaning they've won 238 seats over the four year local election cycle. Their total councillors might be lower than that now as a result of lost by-elections and defections, but I can't see how it could have gone as low as 126, as stated at the moment. 92.236.40.249 (talk) 02:14, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The number on the site used by other political party pages now says 116, which I've updated the figure to here. Ralbegen (talk) 17:50, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Gywdir.demon is a Liberal Democrat reference site, and is updated manually, so I don't think it constitutes a reliable source on its own. Open Council data is updated by an algorithm that crawls all the council websites on a rota, so when it finishes updating (in maybe a couple of weeks time) we should have a more accurate picture of UKIP councillors. It's likely to be around 100. I've already spotted several mistakes in the Gwydir.demon total. It's not a simple case of subtracting 126 (as I've now discovered) because some of those are notional losses in which the UKIP councillor elected in 2014 had already left the party or resigned their seat. It's also not as simple as adding up their wins across 4 years, as many of those councils had all-up elections which cut their terms short. Dozens of UKIP councillors have also left the party since. Maswimelleu (talk) 10:47, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think gywdir.demon is maintained by Keith Edkins, who appears to be a Liberal Democrat. But it's treated as a reliable source by various other sources to the extent that I think it's fair to consider it a reliable source, and hence suitable for use. Happy to use Open Council Data too, but it might be worth getting consensus on which source to use at Wikiproject level so that there's consistency across the various articles that refer to local or national council composition. Ralbegen (talk) 16:41, 9 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2018

Change number of MEPs from 19 to 17. MassiveNewOrderFan (talk) 21:00, 28 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:31, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2018

Change the number of MEPs from 18 to 17. (Jonathan Arnott and James Carver have resigned in recent months). MassiveNewOrderFan (talk) 15:05, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The number is actually 18 — Agnew, Aker, Batten, Bullock, Bours, Coburn, Collins, Dartmouth, Etheridge, Farage, Finch, Gill, Hookem, Nuttall, O'Flynn, Parker, Reid and Seymour. Ralbegen (talk) 17:34, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Sam Sailor 20:31, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Far-right under Batten?

There seems to be a growing consensus[1][2][3] that UKIP under Gerard Batten is shifting towards the far-right, particularly since some new members closely associated with the alt-right were welcomed into the party, as well as Batten’s support for Tommy Robinson. Should the article reflect this, perhaps listing their political position as “right wing to far-right”? Tsjmcgrath (talk) 11:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should wait a bit - these are fresh newspaper reports -----Snowded TALK 13:15, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think the sources provided are anywhere near sufficient for that change in the article. The first is an opinion article, which isn't good enough for a statement of fact. The second only describes the high-profile new members as far-right, but not the party as a whole. The third article is more of a start, but personally I'd expect a lot more than that to justify making the change you've described. Ralbegen (talk) 16:39, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Before worrying about the infobox label, think whether you can add some prose to the article using these sources to the party's recent history. Bondegezou (talk) 16:46, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

500 new members assertion

Under the Membership section, it says "This caused the party to gain five hundred members.", whereas Carl Benjamin (also known as Sargon of Akkad) states they received five hundred members on the first day of their joining, as he talks about here. Can someone change it to "over five hundred members." --1.136.104.193 (talk) 04:17, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

another source. --1.136.104.193 (talk) 04:37, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Neither of those are reliable sources. Bondegezou (talk) 13:42, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Kipper Central is a reliable source for this information, as it has UKIP Chairman Tony McIntyre and Nathan Ryding, the Chairman of UKIP’s Youth Wing talking exclusively to the news site on this topic of a surge in membership. --1.136.104.192 (talk) 21:33, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/28/ukip-far-right-brexit-vote-migrant
  2. ^ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-alt-right-members-paul-joseph-watson-mark-meechan-carl-benjamin-a8418116.html
  3. ^ https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2018/06/ukip-s-turn-alt-right-warning-sign-we-need-fight-back
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