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Copied from the Texas Revolution

Karanacs, offer your opinion here if you like. What existed in this article as far as the battle and aftermath, needed a lot of improvement. So, I figured the most efficient way to resolve that was to do an attributed copy of same from what you had written on the Texas Revolution. That version has already passed through FA, so we're ahead of the game. If more expansion needs to be done, or other editing, fine. But the copy seemed to be a short way to jump start this article in the direction of FAC.

And I wish I had thought of copying this over before the mini-series. If you didn't watch it all the way to the end, it had Houston and Santa Anna sharing Emily West, even comparing notes on her charms after Santa Anna was captured. And then Houston offering to sacrifice his political career if Emily would marry him. And the final scene was Santa Anna on a balcony in Mexico, lifting his arms in triumph before a cheering mass audience.

That said, above the copied section is what I had written prior to that. Perhaps that part needs more work. I still think it's important to have some version of a mention of Almonte's 1834 intelligence report. The actual report is reproduced pp. 208-283. When people (the ones not named Karanacs) think of this revolution, they are generally thinking of these two giants Houston and Santa Anna going at each other. That 1834 report indicates that somewhere in the Mexican government someone had some sense of long-range military preparation. — Maile (talk) 20:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hahahahahaha. I have to make time to watch the rest of that. You're right; we need to work in a mention of the Almonte report in the Texas Revolution article too. It's important. I haven't looked at this article at all in a while...soon. Karanacs (talk) 21:38, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ready for Karanacs input

Karanacs, I still need to work on the Legacy section. Other than that, you are now free to do what you want to anything above it. Anything above the Retreat section is my work. From the Retreat section on down is the copy from the Texas Revolution. I have no problem if you want to rename sections, or edit within them. But I would like to see a mention in some form of Almonte's 1834 report left in the article.— Maile (talk) 19:48, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

History is written by the victors.

This article has been rewritten over the last three years into a very slanted propaganda piece.

"removed the occupying Mexican army from Texas" When the army of a nation is patrolling and defending within its own borders, is it really an "occupying army"? No, the Mexican army wasn't occupying Texas, Tejas was a state of Mexico, on the other side of a clearly defined border established by the Adams-Onis Treaty.

"Santa Anna takes the Alamo" No, Santa Anna recaptured the Alamo that was his to begin with, which was stolen by illegal aliens invading San Antonio in December, 1835. Yet the article makes no mention of this. Suddenly the illegal American immigrants who just crossed the Red or Sabine River and barely got their feet dry when they invaded San Antonio are "Texans". Seriously? Is that what we call illegal border crossers today? GalantFan (talk) 14:49, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It's been my understanding that Texas seceded from the Mexico, and did not become part of the United States until years after winning independence. So while calling the Mexican Army "occupiers" may not be the best word choice, I don't think calling the native Texans "immigrants" is accurate either. Although it is true that many of the defenders of the Alamo came from outside of Texas, which might influence language options in the article. FYI the culture of native Texans, a fusion of brown-skinned Mexicans and immigrant white German settlers whose existance in Texas predates the Alamo as a unique cultural identity still exists, and their cultural identity is independent of the dichotomy of brown vs. white, Mexican vs. "American". They are "Native Texans", and do not necessarily trace their lineage back to either Mexico or the United States. Instead they see themselves as separate and distinct from either of these.2605:6000:6947:AB00:754E:2206:73F3:22BB (talk) 18:18, 17 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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