User talk:Mattythewhite

Higuain protection

Hi. Can you semi protect Gonzalo Higuaín for a while, it's taking too long at rfpp and vandalism seems to be occurring between very short intervals. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 13:46, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected for one week. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:13, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I think it would be prudent also to protect Mattia Caldara‎ and Leonardo Bonucci for the same rumoured swap as Higuaín; lots of recent addition of unsourced move. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 16:14, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Mario Mandžukić protection from hopping IPs removal of sourced content. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 16:59, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Protected by another admin. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:54, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Rude Admin

You really do not need to be so rude. Some of us are trying and enjoy editing and may get it wrong. Quite frankly you should be removed as an admin for your attitude. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CowChasingKirk (talk • contribs) 18:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, could you point out where I've been rude to you? I'm aware I've left a few warnings on your talk page regarding unsourced and improperly sourced content, but I don't feel I've in any way been rude or displayed a bad attitude. If you're not satisfied with my response, you could post a thread at WP:AN/I expressing how you feel. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 19:07, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

Please can you just accept that some of us forget to add sources rarther than trying to threaten us with a block, I usally add sources how ever with Jesus Navas and Martin Montaya I forgotten add the sources and this incidents were a year apart showing that they happen rarely. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ralphster7 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Thibaut Courtois

The transfer was already officially confirmed by Real Madrid on August 8th 2018 (https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2018/08/official-announcement-thibaut-courtois). The presentation will be on the 9th, but the transfer was completed on the 8th. Please remove page protection.Krughal (talk) 07:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes - just because the player hasn't been officially presented doesn't mean the transfer hasn't gone through. Several sources state the confirmation of the transfer with a €35 million figure. It is only because this move went through that Chelsea were more easily able to loan Mateo Kovacic. Please remove the page protection. LegitMass (talk) 07:25, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

On behalf of all the Wikipedia users, I'm kindly asking you to remove the page protection because the transfer concerning his move to Real Madrid has taken place. Both the Chelsea and Real Madrid websites have confirmed this information. You can check at https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2018/8/8/courtois-and-kovacic-deals-agreed and https://www.realmadrid.com/en/news/2018/08/official-announcement-thibaut-courtois respectively. TB Chigz (talk) 11:09, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Was coming here to ask you the same. Per this, the transfer is now official, but you've protected the page so that even long established editors can't edit it. Valenciano (talk) 12:27, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi Matty, as the transfer has now been confirmed and completed, I have removed the full protection. Hope this is ok. Fish+Karate 12:54, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Valenciano and Fish and karate, as you point out the transfer is now complete.

To the impatient users above: It would be of great benefit if you would actually read, in full, and with care, the sources you say supported your assertion that the move had been completed. Per Real Madrid's statement dated 8 August: Courtois would be presented after "the medical that will take place tomorrow". A transfer cannot be complete without a medical having already taken place. Per the Chelsea statement dated 8 August: "Chelsea and Real Madrid have tonight agreed terms for the permanent transfer of Thibaut Courtois subject to the agreement of personal terms and passing a medical" (my bold).

The transfer is now undoubtedly complete, but in future can we wait for transfers to be 100% final before we go updating BLPs with content that is factually incorrect. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 14:44, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

question regarding IP user

Hi mate, was going to report this IP to admins but didn't see a category it fitted into really, User:2A02:C7F:4808:B500:7D30:95CC:8224:E863 keeps adding a squad number for Harvey Barnes on Leicester City F.C. squad section, the player was left out of the press release so while he may have one there is no confirmation of that, I keep removing it but any suggestions to help solve this? Jimmy Skitz's Answer Machine 21:08, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi

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	Think I've edited Bobby Reid's page correctly now Stuartwilson23 (talk) 18:10, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Please stop accepting edits on Andy Murray

Hello. Sorry, but this is just too much. Please stop accepting edits on Andy Murray. How could you accept an edit that has been reverted a million times before, discussed very thoroughly on the talk page, with clear consensus reached, and the comment immediately surrounding the expression clearly saying that this cannot be changed without discussion? And this is not the first time you accepted something so massively ignorant on this page. These ignorant edits are the reason why the page is protected. When you accept them, it completely defeats the purpose of the protection. I can't believe an admin can keep doing something so monumentally silly. So please keep off that page. You do not really seem competent enough for accepting edits there. Thanks.—J. M. (talk) 22:39, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Wow. You do realise it's not me actually *adding* the content, right? Perhaps directing some of your ire at *them* for editing improperly might be an idea...? Mr Murray's article now removed from my watchlist, for the sake of your blood pressure, for myself not having to be on the receiving end of any more Sunday night earbashings, and of course to protect the project from my sheer incompetence. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:59, 12 August 2018 (UTC)

Albert Celades

Matty please, what's WP intake on third-party sources? Unless i'm much mistaken, they are considered preferable to official webs and akin are they not? My attempts to convey that at this article were deemed "a joke", as my correction of the IP's English.

Could you please go to the IP's talk page and leave your two cents there? In the process, i too will learn in case my memory of third-party sources is betraying me (P.S. please note i remove none of their sources as opposed to them, i merely keep both approaches and correct the language, but they're having none of that) and of course will stop i i'm the one in the wrong.

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 00:00, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• Been reverted again, IP engages in no compromise whatsoever. --Quite A Character (talk) 00:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

You're right, and I've left a message on their TP explaining as such. Mattythewhite (talk) 00:19, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Reverted again (this time only the wording), they "allowed" the refs to stay. They still think guidelines are a joke, while committing some gross errors in English. Oh well, i'm prepared to accept that compromise... --Quite A Character (talk) 00:48, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• Even though i am trying my "bestest" to stay cool, conversation at IP's talkpage quickly escalating, do you have some advice as always? --Quite A Character (talk) 02:22, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Please drop by there when you can, the IP still thinks guideline has been grossly misrepresented in Mr. Celades' case, and some of their replies are really not "reaching my ears right", why they are choosing to reply like that i do not know... I am done for the day (if not more) with this discussion... --Quite A Character (talk) 02:27, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• Escalated and how!! IP has now resorted to name-calling (massive troll) even though i confess with my heart in my hands i am having major trouble understanding what they are trying to convey. Maybe you two sort it out tomorrow, you read the flow of the conversation and decide who's trying to reach out and who's trying to be a wanker/troll. Until tomorrow. --Quite A Character (talk) 03:13, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

End of discussion there, end of my cheerful approach. The insults (troll, liar, you will also see their urging me to stop 1: using words in Spanish - which i did just originally to be friendly; 2: mentioning my country, which i overdid because i did not notice i had already mentioned it once, so originally i did it TWICE, criminal on my part wouldn't you say? These last ones - regarding my part - you won't see them now without checking the edit history because i since edited them at the IP's request/order) continue to fly, you two sort it out either there or at the article's talkpage (PLEASE do so, i would really like to see if the IP's demeanor is the same towards you as it was towards me). Since i wish Mr. Celades, the IP or WP in general no harm, i'll stop adding anything to this ridiculous thread. Not the article though, should i see it fit (by the way, i used an expletive in my last message to the IP and you can scold me for it should you see it fit, but mind you t'was an EXPLETIVE, not an INSULT, i just lost it There maybe more further replies at their talk, but i'll just ignore them for today)! --Quite A Character (talk) 03:26, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

P.S. Should you understand what they are trying to convey immediately, whereas i failed miserably, i can only come to the conclusion i am mentally challenged, because no way i am a miserable troll (you have known me for more than a wiki-decade, that's certainly not the case, is it?)! --Quite A Character (talk) 04:06, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

• No can do, just returned to the IPs page and the reply is the same ("Ignoring my questions", "manipulator", "liar", "troll"). Maybe a stern message from you (should you agree with me and disagree with their M.O, of course!) will stop this shit? I have great problems dealing with virtual relationships when they go bad, and this is really taking its toll (i know it should not, but it is). --Quite A Character (talk) 14:15, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

The individual in question ought to be careful accusing people of trolling when looking at their own behaviour. I think you are right to cease engaging with them. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:24, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

But can you please add a few words in their page, stating NOTHING of what i did constitutes trolling and i only respected the guidelines and tried to reach consensus? I understand if you do not, however. --Quite A Character (talk) 15:42, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it would help the situation, and I wouldn't worry about what anyone else might think. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Premier League 2002-03 and 03-04 articles

Hi, I've reverted your reversion on the edits I made to the Premier League season articles. The text I added back in was removed in November 2017. For a couple other seasons, the removal was reverted very quickly, but for the seasons I added back in, they were not (possibly missed by the undoing editor.) I agree with you sourcing is a problem, but the prose should be easily sourced. If you think this should still be deleted, please let me know - I have no intention of going back and forth on this. SportingFlyer talk 22:07, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Jake Charles

I can confirm that Jake Charles is a free agent, having spoken to him myself. I didn't realise LinkedIn wasn't always an acceptable source so that is fair enough that has been removed but I do not know how else to prove he is a free agent now. He is not listed on Stalybridge Celtic squad on their website here and there is not a player profile on him on their website either. Cam (talk) 13:58, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

His profile on the Stalybridge Celtic website confirms he left the club at the end of the season. I've updated the article using that as a source. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Bits and pieces

Hello Matty,

1 - what do you think of my move(s) at Lucas João? If you check both his Portuguese external links (and FORADEJOGO is reliable), de "dos" bit is not part of his fullname as the EFL website seems to state. It is not obligatory that everyone in Portugal has that naming custom ("dos", "da", "do", "de"), i myself do but not everyone does. What should we do (and please note i did not remove the EFL source, only removed the - seemingly - wrong naming addition)? Add FDJ also as source to box? If you choose to revert, please keep in mind bit should be presented as "dos Santos" and not "Dos Santos".

2 - strange note (at least strange to ME, first time i saw one of those in 12 years) at Alberto Botía, reading the piece thoroughly i fail to see any "Blatant copyright violations" there. Also, as the main writer/curator of the piece i have to say i feel a little unease with that note, surely not ALL the text is sourced, but no BLATANT copyvio disturbances have been "afoot" i'd say (or if they have, they have already been deleted). Read it EVEN better, the ONLY thing that seems not to be sourced was his early international career, i have already addressed that (and +1 source to honours as a "bonus" :))!

3 - Are we forbidden (for lack of a better word) of writing countries where a club hails from in articles? User:The Original Statto (seemingly an A.C. Milan fan) seems to think so, wrote them about the fact, received zilch in reply (and they have edited after my message). I know some prefer to write league instead of country in the intro and in fact a pertinent template as been recently created with that need in mind, but i don't mean just that: the aforementioned user does not allow ANY references being made to X or Y country, ANYWHERE (finest example at André Silva (footballer, born 1995), they removed it once, i wrote it elsewhere to accommodate and they did it again...)!

Attentively (and please do notify me if you still have any concerns regarding Mr. Botía's article) --Quite A Character (talk) 18:00, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

1. You should update the source, as the current EFL source doesn't support what the full name is now listed as.

2. It doesn't seem immediately obvious to me what the copyvio is. You should contact the user who added the tag.

3. If the league is in a country not native to the player I think it would be beneficial to include it. Mattythewhite (talk) 00:00, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

1. Okeydokey, added additional source; 2. Tag removed as of now. 3. No mate, i think you misunderstood me, i do include (in intro or body of text) the league, the other user is adamant about not mentioning the COUNTRY where the given league takes place. --Quite A Character (talk) 04:30, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

I got that, I'm saying the country is probably worth including if the league is in a country not native to the player. Mattythewhite (talk) 13:15, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, my (gross) bad in reading! Well, all arranged as of now (compromise reached in Mr. Silva's Milan section) --Quite A Character (talk) 17:24, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Jimmy Dickinson

Hi there,

Thanks for the message about my edit to the Jimmy Dickinson page. I've now re-added my original addition, complete with reference.

Best wishes,

Owen OGBC1992 (talk) 19:05, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Charming

Woke up today on my birthday to this charming message on my talkpage (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Quite_A_Character&diff=855721524&oldid=855636466). A thorough and polite reply on their talk (but of course i: 1 - told them i agreed my summaries were a bit idiotic sometimes and needed a severe overhaul - ah, but please do note NONE were directed at this person! 2 - told them i think an apology from them was in order) resulted in the confirmation of what they think of me (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:N778899&diff=855788038&oldid=855787262).

Your intake please? Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 21:12, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Warned for making a personal attack. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Did not even bothered you with a reply, hey (and please, note that nothing has been removed from my/their talkpage like your message to them said, but that's not of the essence methinks, even if it had they'd still have said/written them)? Well, like i told them, i should consider myself lucky if i don't get name-called again (some might say i brought this upon me with my summaries and i would somewhat agree, but i'd also say they're nobody's business unless the given person is directly affected, and i've stressed to the bone i would not budge if scolded/blocked because somewhere down the line my summaries could be considered (i try my "bestest" to avoid that, but stuff happens) incivility/personal attacks). Oh well...

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 15:14, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

• Can i ask again what did you mean by "removed" stuff regarding this situation? Message at my talk page and their nasty replies at their "territory" remain unaltered. Again, just curious. Request now, can you please protect José Pedrosa Galán? A no-good IP continues to remove refs in article, inflate the stats in infobox and rephrase wording to their advantage. Who could it be? Mr. Pedrosa himself? A friend? A girlfriend? An AGENT? We'll never know, i guess!

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 00:46, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I hadn't realised that "so it has been removed" was part of the wording of Template:Uw-npa1. I've now struck out the uncivil comments.

There's been only one disruptive edit made on the article in the last four days, which I feel doesn't warrant any form of protection. Mattythewhite (talk) 01:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

1 - thanks, hopefully now i won't be insulted for being a bellend AND a crybaby! 2 - nope, i beg to differ: this one (please see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/37.211.142.35) is also the IP nuisance, "contributed" on 17 and 23 July, then found the last address from where they "contributed" in the last hours but also on 18 August. But OK, you're the boss. --Quite A Character (talk) 01:19, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

I'll be damned, one IP from Spain and the other from Asia! Well, the M.O. is exactly the SAME (ref removal, box inflation, etc)! --Quite A Character (talk) 01:20, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

While on the topic of civility, would you mind providing me with a translation of this comment, and perhaps an explanation as to why you felt it an appropriate comment to make? Mattythewhite (talk) 01:41, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes, this time i proferred an insult in Portuguese ("motherfucker"), and did not attempt to hide anything from you because i wrote MYS77 before thinking of coming to your page. This person is really being a supreme wikinuisance and it's really pissing me off (and it should piss you off as well, but obviously i'm not going to tell you how to feel other than what i just did), if not by me most of the time (and MYS now and then) this article would be vandalised at will. But hey, who cares, fourth or fifth-world player...

Full translation as follows (and per your request): "Nothing to do with the title of this message, but that motherfucker is still at it in José Pedrosa Galán! What a shame..." (followed by "They have reverted me again. i have requested protection :("). If you want you can block me, it's deserving under the guidelines and the discussions i've had with many people in the past (yourself included, and more than one of you right now could be thinking that i pretty much think i'm above the law, i can say what i want, then say "excuse me" and continue with my antics sine die), i won't budge. Don't worry about protecting the page in spite of the evidence presented if you do not see it fit (but do note it was protected last month, for three days), i'll watchlist it.

Sorry for the inconvenience created (i'll promise you this here and now, no more idiotic summaries from yours truly regarding the average edit, a PROMISE. If you see one of those, block me on the spot - that is, if you are not going to perform that action now. However, i cannot promise you the same if it has to do with vandalism, as was this case) --Quite A Character (talk) 02:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

By my reckoning, "filho de uma grande puta" has a meaning more similar to what Nicolas Anelka said to get himself thrown out of the France camp at the 2010 World Cup than what you claim. This wouldn't be first time you've deliberately mistranslated your own words in an attempt to mislead me. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:35, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Nope, no intention to mislead, i thought in some instances "motherfucker" meant the same as "son of a whore". OK, full and 100% accurate translation (of start, that is) is: ""Nothing to do with the title of this message, but that BIG SON OF A WHORE is still at it in José Pedrosa Galán! What a shame...". I'd have to tell you now, in all sincerity i feel a bit insulted by your last comment, i put my heart out in the last message (not to mention discussing technicalities in Mr. Galán's article) and your entire reply consists in telling me i want to mislead you (when parts of my original message mentioned you could block me if you saw it fit, and also me confirming i used an INSULT and not an EXPLETIVE)? I really do not understand, but i will now stay a couple of weeks without coming to your page for advice/akin to let the dust settle (and "double nope", i am not playing the victim now, i know i insulted a user - a VANDAL user! - and it's highly contrary to the guidelines, but i thought no-good vandals would always be trumped by 99,99999999999999999% of other approaches so to speak).

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 17:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

• Thought i'd merit some sort of reply after being called a liar (with respect, you did precisely that, since in your opinion i DELIBERATELY ommitted information to MISLEAD you) then coming to your page and politely saying i felt offended. That's OK, at least i appreciate the sincerity (not being sarcastic the least, i do appreciate it as sad as reading your words may be) of you telling me your thoughts on my person (not the first this week, unfortunately).

Now, i'll stop posting here for a while until the dust settles. Question is: do you want me to stop altogether, if you feel if have seen through me or whatever? I can accommodate and not bother you anymore, lots of other good admins/users out there.

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 23:34, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Steve Sidwell

I edited that page as it was announced. How could I put sources in if it was being announced live? I see it now says he has retired. Apology not accepted. Oh yes there wasn't one forthcoming. You seem to be quite arrogant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zipgun (talk • contribs) 13:45, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Why would I apologise for removing unsourced content? You seem to be quite oblivious as to how an encyclopaedia works. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:09, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Craig Nelthorpe

Hi Matty - sorry, seems in this case I should have checked the Ossett United team list rather than just assuming as linked on the team list he was there on the team's wiki page. I've had a look on the usual sources (nonleague sites) for news of his current club but none to hand. Any suggestions on what to do - he cannot be at Ossett Town as the club ceased to exist in the summer of 2018 after the merger of Ossett Town and Ossett Albion [See https://www.ossettunited.com/club/History/]. Article is wrong as it stands but in short can't find a source to show he's signed for a new club (possibly as he is club-less) Cheers Zanoni (talk) 15:36, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

He signed for Belper Town a few days ago, I've updated the article accordingly. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:38, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah, cheers - saw he had been on trial there but hadn't seen an article on him signing. Zanoni (talk) 15:42, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Lee Hodson

If you feel my edits were not verified why did you not revert them then? Is it because the are accurate perhaps! Don't leave comments on my talk page, I have made it clear in the past I do not wish to converse with you.--Johnelwaq (talk) 18:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Ha, if you don't wish to converse with me, why are you doing exactly that? Mattythewhite (talk) 19:29, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

FC Barcelona article edit warring

One editor is repeatedly inserting a trophy into the honours section of F.C. Barcelona without any discussion. They disregard any discussion on the talk page and keep reverting. I’ve reverted twice so I’m stopping before I do three reverts myself. The user has also done this to the Real Madrid honours section, removing all European Cups. Help needed. Ian Harte77 (talk) 19:49, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I have reverted the edits of and warned the "other" user. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:10, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Adam Armstrong

I was removing duplication, him joining Blackburn on a permanent deal was in both sections, so I was trying to tidy it up. If you've got a problem with the section I removed please remove the duplicate information from the other one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stuartwilson23 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see the bit in the loan section. I've removed the duplicated content. Mattythewhite (talk) 22:32, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Andreas Christensen

Hello, I don't get what you mean by "Sources don't support content". I've had to double-check and search for the most authentic sources of the information about his honours, yet you deleted them; twice. Please, I'd like to understand why. Thank you--Pst. Bukkie (talk) 23:02, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

They confirm that *Chelsea* won those honours but not that *Christensen* himself did. And please note that Wikipedia can't be used as a source on Wikipedia. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:04, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Come on, those were for the "team" honours, not individual. It's not like I can find an article always for each player on a team winning a team trophy. Ademas, I had looked through a lot of team honours citation on other players and they do not necessarily state the individual.

I only stated the wikipedia pages as a double measure to prove that he was part of the squad that won the competition and therefore should be recognised as a winner

Also, for the individual honours and the Youth Team honours, the references were quite specific. Please revise your decision please. Thank you :)--Pst. Bukkie (talk) 23:11, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

I'd say it's quite simple really. If the player was involved in the final, it can be easily sourced. If they weren't, it's not so simple. The FA hand out 40 medals to winning clubs, but it's very difficult to find out who actually received them. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:15, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Ok, let's consider them individually;

1. All 23 "First Team Players" (especially Christensen that played in the competition) gets a medal ( at least in the league cup competitions)

2. If you take a look at the reference I provided for the UEFA League Cup, it shows the team lineup with Christensen on the team for the final (even scored an own goal)

3. The Young Player of the Year Award could not be better sourced. He did win it and I duly cited a reliable source

4. For the 2015 EPL season, then team manager, Mourinho said (and it is quoted within the article) that Christensen would get a medal nonetheless despite not featuring up to 5 times

Kindly look through the contributions before reverting please. Thank you :) --Pst. Bukkie (talk) 23:28, 25 August 2018 (UTC)