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Cut with strychnine? Really?

Okay, I've heard about heroin being cut with all sorts of things, and strychnine rings a bell, but is this actually true? I know there's a citation for this (https://www.drugs.com/illicit/heroin.html), but is that actually based on evidence, or hearsay?

It's not like I want people to think heroin's safe to use, but I think WP needs to make sure it's actually representing reality. I asked google about heroin cut with scrychnine, and discounting government/addiction/health sites (which are hardly nonpartisan), the top results included: https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/qbzde3/cut-v12n4 https://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1195/why-are-cocaine-and-heroin-sometimes-cut-with-strychnine-or-arsenic/ ...but also... http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/340021-Heroin-cut-with-strychnine

- which does imply it's used as an additive for desired effect. Not sure if this counts as a reliable source.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.40.214.250 (talk) 11:36, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is a decent source so yes I would imagine it is true. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Phd thesis

This is not really a sufficient source.

"This mixing, known as 'cutting', is not as common as is thought and it is often done to enhance the drug reaction and sometimes to dilute the product if it is of high purity or just to increase profits^[1]."

Not as common as what? This is nearly 20 years old aswell.

References

^ Prof. Ross Coomber. "Perceptions of Illicit Drugs and Drug Users: Myth-Understandings and Policy Consequences (pages 62, 203, 356)" (PDF). University of Greenwich archives.

-- Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:25, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is NOT a thesis.It is a submission for Ph.D. by published works at the University of Greenwich, as is explained. He explains that it is not as common as people seem to think. That has a clear meaning.--Terry Patterson (talk) 16:40, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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"This may ultimately leads to heroin injection because heroin is cheaper than prescribed pills" Change to "This may ultimately lead to..."

Simple typo. 2601:806:4302:24C0:500A:F3E2:2C72:1266 (talk) 05:55, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:19, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

wtf!!!!

dont show needles thats disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.209.193.208 (talk) 06:39, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not censored. See WP:NOTCENSORED. HiLo48 (talk) 07:39, 20 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Disgrace

This article is wholly misleading, irresponsible, and seemingly written by unqualified early 80s burnouts. I have removed passages that seems to entertain theories that chasing is less addictive that injecting, and some pretty off hand AIDS conspiracies. I understand VOLUNTEER and all, but if medical editors are highly political, self righteous and high horsing elsewhere to the rest of us, the hell on such a fundamental, widely read, and real life impacting medical page seeming written by drug pushers. Ceoil (talk) 05:14, 22 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect info

Heroin is an opiate not an opioid. Opioids are synthetic drugs designed to imitate the effects of opiates. Heroin is a preparation of opium latex by means of application of Acetic anhydrides. kind regards 82.27.90.157 (talk) 13:52, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The definition we use in WP is this one: "In the strict sense, opiates are drugs derived from opium and include the natural products morphine, codeine, thebaine and many semi-synthetic congeners derived from them. In the wider sense, opiates are morphine-like drugs with non peptidic structures. The older term opiates is now more and more replaced by the term opioids which applies to any substance, whether endogenous or synthetic, peptidic or non-peptidic, that produces morphine-like effects through action on opioid receptors.". (surce: Offermanns, Stefan (2008). Encyclopedia of Molecular Pharmacology. 1 (2 ed.). Springer Science & Business Media. p. 903. ISBN 9783540389163) -- Jytdog (talk) 14:00, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

According to the definition you have provided it is still more accurate and correct to classify Heroin as an opiate rather than an opioid. 82.27.90.157 (talk) 14:06, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually morphine is separated from raw opium using an acid-base separation. Then it's turned into heroin using acetic anhydride. Heroin is a synthetic opioid not an opiate like codine or morphine.Senor Cuete (talk) 15:04, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heroin is not a synthetic opioid. A synthetic opioid is a drug that has been synthesized in a chemical laboratory for the purpose of imitating the pharmaceutical effects of an opiate (a product naturally derived from opium latex). It is therefore incorrect to define Heroin as an opioid. Heroin (diamorphine) is a preparation of opium latex in the same way that instant coffee is a preparation of fresh ground coffee by means of freeze drying. Opioids, contrarily, are synthetic drugs intended to replicate the effects of opiates but are themselves not derived from natural opium latex. The article is inaccurate and not in accord with universally accepted pharmacological definitions. 82.27.90.157 (talk) 15:25, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually heroin and all of the other synthetic opioids like hydrocodone and oxycodone are synthesized from alkaloids from opium latex. Yes, in a laboratory and yes, they are all derived from opium. Please read the Hydrocodone and Oxycodone articles. Senor Cuete (talk) 17:17, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heroin is not a synthetic opioid. Asserting as such reveals your lack of education in the field of pharmacology. Synthetic pharmaceuticals are by definition based on artificial creations. Heroin is merely a refinement of natural opium. Wikipedia is dominated by persons with a lack of preliminary education in basic matters. 82.27.90.157 (talk) 17:32, 2 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Cardio-vascular infections are side effects of heroin?

Sorry, that is stupid. Side effects of unhygienic needle use are not side effects of the heroin substance. 208.81.120.1 (talk) 20:15, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Prof. Ross Coomber. "Perceptions of Illicit Drugs and Drug Users: Myth-Understandings and Policy Consequences (pages 62, 203, 356)" (PDF). University of Greenwich archives.

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