Talk:Mysterio

Request: Brief Character Summary

I write to request a section that briefly summarizes the essence of the character. The existing character description is too detailed to be useful to someone looking for a quick answer to "who is Mysterio". Such a query will likely be more common given the up coming movie. I propose 2 or 3 paragraphs that summarize Mysterio's powers, origin, motivation, one or two highest profile exploits. Thoughts? Mr.trippple (talk) 14:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Amazing Spider Man PC

Hi, I might have found an interesting piece of information on an old pc DOS game called "The Amazing Spiderman". It just so happens Mysterio was the main villain of the game. It was made by Oxford Digital Enterprises with Paragon Software. I'm not going to edit anything, but maybe if this could be included in the video game section, it'd be cool. If you wanted to check the game out, I think it's now downloadable for free because it's out of date. But I bought it myself years ago. -Anonymous

Whoops, my bad. I just looked it up. You already mentioned it. My bad. -Anonymous

RPG stats

I removed the following from the article because I really don't think RPG stats belong in Wikipedia. Since large numbers of these "vital stats" sections have been added to various articles, I'm using Talk:Strength level (comics) to discuss this issue in general. Bryan 07:52, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

• Name: Quentin Beck
• Height: 5' 11"
• Weight: 175 lbs.
• Eyes: Blue
• Hair: Black
  • Intelligence Level: High Average
  • Strength Level: Normal
  • Endurance Level: Normal
  • Speed Level: Normal
  • Agility Level: Normal
  • Stamina Level: Normal
  • Reflexes Level: Normal
• Special Skills and Abilities: Expert designer of special effects devices and stage illusions, master hypnotist and prestidigitator, amateur chemist and roboticist. Extensive knowledge of hand-to-hand combat techniques learned as a stuntman.
• Personal Weaponry: One-way plexiglass helmet with holographic projector; gloves and boots armed with nozzles which emit hallucinogenic gas.

You should not delete hight, weight, hair color, eye color, or other facts that are about the character and have nothing to do with an RPG. In most articles about characters from any series, they have basic physical looks listed under their name.

The reason they're not included is that they're generally not mentioned in the stories themselves. They're usually made up (out of nowhere) by writers of handbooks like OHOTMU, not the writers of the stories... and they have little or no impact on the stories. Not only that but there are often mistakes -- like female characters' weights are sometimes so low in relation to their heights that they'd have to be practically skeletal. Besides, weight isn't a constant--it changes day to day. And there are some things not included-- like "Hair color" is in, but "skin color" isn't? What if you have a blue-skinned character? Do you mention that, and then get into sticky issues over racism? What about first language? Place of birth? Blood type? Favourite food? There are tons of details that could be included, but they just aren't all that important.

Since these things don't really impact the stories, they're trivia at best. And since they're taken directly from handbooks often without citation, they're copyright violations at worst. A good picture of the character and maybe a mugshot for signifigant characters will tell you more, without these problems. -- HKMARKS 20:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Bruce Campbell

Seriously will however it is stop deleting my contribution, i've now found a reliable source! Do I deleted ur information - NO! Its rude and inconsiderate.

Thanks for adding the source -- that's all we needed. I didn't doubt it (I've been hearing the same rumour for years) but just because people are speculating about it doesn't mean it's true, so we needed some evidence. - HKMARKS 03:05, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I didn't realise that i need sources. sorry.

Blogs are not reliable sources. Try again. CovenantD 03:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

That statement came from a reliable source actually. Bruce Campbell has stated that he will be annoying Spiderman in the new film and Mysterio tends to annoy Spiderman alot in the comics. Its worth putting it down on this article for now. Look at the pages for the Vulture and Electro, both there pages state they are candidates for the fourth villain. Mysterio has a stronger case than them. Now I suggest you put that information back up.

IMDB has him listed for the film, as Quentin Beck but only rumored, not confirmed. I suggest waiting a while... no doubt a more reliable source will appear in the next few months. The movie's still almost a year away. In the mean time, you can find the statement from Campbell about "annoying" Spider-Man, and add it to Bruce Campbell. Until there's evidence that he's actually playing Beck and not just having another cameo, it doesn't belong here. - HKMARKS 04:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

And thanks for pointing me to the Vulture and Electro articles. I'll go take care look them over for uncited rumors next. CovenantD 04:57, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Should it be noted that in the Ultimate Spider-Man comics, an actor referred to as "Bruce" (obviously a caricature of Campbell) plays Mysterio in a film about Spider-Man long before his proper introduction as a "real-world" foe of the ol' web-slinger? --The_Iconoclast (talk) 16:24, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Quentin Beck Resurrected?

Yes, we now know how Beck came back form the dead. Boo-Yah, mystery solved, at leats for anyone who read X-Statix Presents: Dead Girl. Please deign not to remove the info about his ressurection, as Marvel Comics themselves confirmed it. SaliereTheFish 10:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

First off, Marvel.com didn't say it...someone editing Marvel's version of Wikipedia did. Fans edit the articles there. The article in quesion states Even after death Beck’s soul didn’t get to rest. His soul was sent to hell for his evil doings and resided there till Pitiful One gave him change to go back, but he was later sent back by Dead Girl and Doctor Strange.

At the climax, he was sent back to Hell. Nor does Marvel say that it was in anyway connected to Peter David's run. If you want, you can ask him on his website, but saying that the two incidents are related is speculation.--CyberGhostface 18:20, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Sinister Six novels

I notice the line about there being hints in the books that he's gay has been removed, with the edit summary saying it's "bull and stupid". I'm inclined to agree, but it's also definitely there. They aren't even subtle hints; we're talking lines like "I am not, by life preference, as constitutionally solicitous to the ladies as Adrian." It's not a big deal, but since it seems to be a significant difference between book-Mysterio and comics-Mysterio (who has never had this implied, as far as I know), I figured it was worth mentioning. Daibhid C 21:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Huh, thats weird... I'm certain he was hetero in the comics and every other appearance. I assume this was just the authors modification?

Quentin Beck and Francis Klum, but no...

• We got articles about the first and second Mysterio, but what about Daniel Berkhart? Should there be a Mysterio article on him? You may also discuss about this on the Mysterio (Francis Klum) page --The Dark Lord of Wiki (talk) 13:53, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
• Beckhart is mentioned in Mysterio article. (JoeLoeb (talk) 05:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC))

Other media

Unnecessary "tell the story" component in Video Games and Novels. This is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. Also, the Television section should be trimmed, his cartoon appearances (each, which are pretty much two sentences) don't need a headline. DCincarnate (talk) 17:47, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing particularly unencyclopedic about plot or character summary. You'd get the same for Hamlet or Macbeth in Britannica, and yet calling EB a "Shakespeare fan site" would be a little silly. In the cases of smaller, more discrete works, like plays (Hamlet) or novels (Don Quixote), this character-based "tell the story" can happen in a fairly succinct manner. But with characters from sprawling, multivolume serial works that span several types of media, such as comics books and television, this approach doesn't work so well, if at all. Ford MF (talk) 19:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

The point of a section describing a character's role in other media is to just sum everything up briefly. Details of the character's actual role in the media belongs within the article on the work itself or one of its subpages. TTN (talk) 01:37, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. -- DCincarnate (talk) 17:33, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Clean up.

This article suffers from an excessively long plot summary, and needs a massive culling. As well, there's limited, at best, real world notability and content here. I"ll take this on over the next week or two. ThuranX (talk) 04:26, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Change The Picture, Wrong Mysterio

Whilst this picture is a very good representation of the character Mysterio... it's the wrong Mysterio. The Mysterio depicted in the picture at the top of the page is actually Francis Klum, the third Mysterio. The picture needs to be changed to a picture of Quentin Beck, since this is his article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.26.82 (talk) 16:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

No, the article is about Mysterio. Given the similarity all his costumes have had, I think it's a negligible difference to note at all, much less run to change pictures over. In fact, that looks exactly like the Beck costume - isn't that from the story where Klum impersonated Beck, thus using Beck's costume, making it story trivia about who's on the inside? The image meets all the requirements per WP:COMIC for an image. No reason to change. ThuranX (talk) 17:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

It still is not the character being described in the article. Just because he wears a similar costume does not mean that a picture of Klum should be used on an article about Beck. It's not a picture of the character that the article is about. The fact that it is not the same character is not 'trivia'. It is not Quentin Beck. Ben Reilly once wore a costume similar to Peter Parker's when he took up Parker's mantle as Spider-Man, but that does not mean that a picture of Reilly should be used to represent Parker. Same could be said about Daken. He now wears a costume that is pretty much identical to one of Logan's outfits, and uses the codename 'Wolverine', but we don't use a picture of Daken in place of Logan. And Mac Gargan, who now looks the same as Spider-Man did in the black suit. The fact that the costumes are similar/the same is irrelevant; the character shown is not the character that the article is about, so it needs to be changed to a one that is actually of the character described. The information on Klum could be removed, such as powers, since he already has an article which describes all his powers, and his Mysterio tricks, and any info not present in his article could probably be added to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.231.228 (talk) 22:38, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

To be honset, the layout of this article could use some cleanup. The way it is now, it almost seems as if it only covers one person who used multiple aliases. Perhaps editing the page to look something more like the Patriot (comics) article would be more appropriate. It would make it clearer that there are multiple people who have used this alias. Someone unfamiliar with the character could be confused by the article at first glance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.1.163 (talk) 22:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

That seems like it might be a good idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.13.116.244 (talk) 09:58, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

No, I read it as it is just fine - one identity held by multiple people. Given that the Mysterio identity went through numerous nearly identical costumes, and this article's about Mysterio, NOT Quentin Beck nor Klum alone, I see no reason to change an image which depicts what the article discusses. Were this about Beck, you might be right. Were it about Klum, you'd be wrong. Instead, it's about Mysterio, so you're still wrong. The costume is that of Mysterio. ThuranX (talk) 20:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Merger proposal

The Mysterio (Francis Klum) character is not even remotely notably on its own, and can easily be trimmed to a paragraph and merged into the proper section. This article needs its plot condensed significantly as well, and some real-world context. -Fandraltastic (talk) 19:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I support the merge for the reasons stated above. Spidey104 20:39, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Support: THe character has no real world notability and the article contains no sources beyond comic books, he does not require an article at this time, and the image of him as Mysterio is just an image of Mysterio, it could be anyone in there, so it isn't necessary and fails NFC. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 15:54, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

If we do go with the merging, I had already sorted out the histories of the different Mysterio characters so that the histories would be seperate. I don't even know why Francis Klum has his section split into a different article. Rtkat3 (Rtkat3) 1:18, May 6 2013 (UTC)

Support: Non notable alter-ego of a notable character. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 14:07, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Since there were no dissenting opinions over 4 months after the merge was proposed I went ahead and merged the articles. The 'Fictional character biography' for Quentin Beck could still use some shortening in the sections that refer to Berkhart and Klum. Spidey104 03:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Cite does not say what editor claims

User:Burningblue52 inserted a claim that director Sam Raimi "revealed" something, and he cites it to Comicbookmovie.com, which I'm not sure is a reliable source. In any event, the information does not come from there but from io9, which Comicbookmovie.com even says, and it is not Sam Raimi saying this but some unidentified person named Jeffrey Henderson. Unless we have Sam Raimi saying something, we can't claim Sam Raimi said something. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:23, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

User:Tenebrae My mistake as I misread the article. Citing comicbookmovie.com is a reliable cite as it has interviews with varying celebrities on their projects. I can cross-ref the io9 webpage. As far as who Jeffrey Henderson is -- he is the storyboard artist, who is also a filmmaker who worked on the initial beginnings of Spider-Man 4. I will correct the information.

Burningblue52 (talk) 04:05, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

All good!--Tenebrae (talk) 14:54, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

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Homecoming Sequel

It has been reported that actor Jake Gyllenhaal was in talks for playing Mysterio in the Spider Man Homecoming sequel, so should that be added in the film section of the article or will we have to wait it out until June 2019 and see? Oblow14 (talk) 23:56, 25 May 2018 (UTC)