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Would it make sense to add an image to the top of the article for illustration, similar to Mario or Donkey Kong? I personally think that once it launches, an image of the final character select screen for Ultimate would serve nicely, as it would provide a picture of every character with an accompanying name underneath, thus eliminating the need for an overly lengthy caption and serving to illustrate every playable character across the breadth of the series in one single image. (Should we go that route, I'd caution against updating the image every time a DLC character is added, save for perhaps once a "final" update is released.) Thoughts? -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 20:09, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It should be something like the image at Characters of Overwatch. There is an official mural that features all the characters, but we should wait until everyone is revealed before adding. TarkusABtalk 20:23, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I agree we should wait until after Ultimate launches before adding one, and I thought about the mural at first, but the image ratio is also roughly 5.4:1. By the time you uploaded it onto the page, you would have trouble making anyone out on it without having to view the image separately. The character select screen would be more useful at a glance. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 20:27, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Potentially. Since the image will not be free use, it must be less than 100,000 pixels (i.e. width x height must be less than 100K). Even the character select screen could be difficult to make out. We can append an upright tag to the mural so it doesn't default to the 220 display width. TarkusABtalk 20:33, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, it looks like the mural would be around 750 x 130, while the CSS would be the standard 400 x 225. I tried resizing both, and you're definitely right that resizing the CSS wrecks readability. The only way I think that one could be salvaged is if we only used the top half of the screen where the characters themselves are, which would spare us a few extra pixels to work with, but that's probably not enough. On the other hand, I tried resizing the mural, and it's so dense and so many of the characters blend into the background that it's hard to make anyone out. So for the time, it seems we're stuck at a bit of an impasse, though thankfully one that we have two and a half months to figure out. I'm curious if any other editors have any thoughts, though. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 13:09, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now that we've got the final roster, I'd like to revisit this subject. I took the liberty of mocking up different options at Wikipedia-appropriate sizes. Here's the banner, the character select screen, and a cropped CSS that only shows the fighters. I think the banner might be our safest bet, but I'd like to get some other opinions, especially since I can't upload images myself. (Here's larger versions of the banner and CSS if someone wants to try optimizing them further.) -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 16:52, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh that's some nasty JPEG compression, see WP:IUP#FORMAT, you should create the images in PNG format. I could go for either the banner or cropped CSS. TarkusABtalk 17:12, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, PNG is an option? I don't know why, but I was always under the assumption JPEGs were generally preferred for bandwidth reasons. In that case, lemme redo these; should only take a bit. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 17:49, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia prefers SVG, actually. The reason you might see low quality JPG is most likely because it's a non-free use image and it was done in order to comply with WP:NFC. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 18:17, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, here's the PNG banner at the same resolution, coming in at 104,250 pixels. I tried doing the same for the cropped CSS, but lowering the resolution so much absolutely ruined the legibility of the names beneath each character's portrait, making them impossible to read. Given that, it's probably best we go with the banner. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 18:07, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I like it. IPs can't upload images? I can add it later today. P.S. Why not create an account? TarkusABtalk 18:40, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I had an account once and got doxxed by a vandal I reverted, so I gave it up. Haven't used an account since, and I'm not in any rush to change that. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 18:43, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well you'd be more anonymous with one, as long as you keep the name unique from other platforms you use. Anyone can geolocate or run a WHOIS query on an IP. See the bottom of your talk page. TarkusABtalk 18:53, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
(Worrying about doxing but using IP that shows a potential place of employment.... You should always edit signed in if anonymity is your goal, just don't use a name you use elsewhere) -- ferret (talk) 19:04, 5 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why "Do not add the fighter numbers from Ultimate"?

What is the harm in adding the official numbering as a column? It would be the only way to properly discern the order they were introduced historically (because ordering by each game's column only puts that game's roster on top, and the rest alphabetically, which is not historical order). CesarFelipe (talk) 21:39, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added the column for reference. Feel free to modify it or justify removal. CesarFelipe (talk) 22:44, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's been removed repeatedly. The discussions are at the talk page of the series article, where the table was originally. -- ferret (talk) 23:10, 7 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And how was I supposed to know that. Either explain the table's note in its article's talk page (i.e. HERE), or make a better note explaining why we shouldn't improve a table. FFS CesarFelipe (talk) 00:08, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree actually, it can't be expected that new users should be aware of archived discussions (especially if it's multiple pages long or on different articles), which is why I'm always in favor of adding hidden notes in articles. That, or we/Wikipedia needs to find a better way to keep important discussions that have been archived visible. Anyway, the gist of it being removed was that it's more of a marketing thing that something Wikipedia actually needs. Just listing them all in alphabetical order is the most objective way of doing it. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 00:25, 8 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unlockables

Why is there no distinction between default and locked characters? For example: Captain Falcon, Jigglypuff, Luigi and Ness are all locked in the original SSB, requiring special criteria to unlock. There should be a yellow or blue check mark for all locked characters. --LABcrabs (talk) 20:22, 9 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The echo fighter footnote

Ultimate barely even mentions he echo thing. It’s best to not have too much attention to it. Do not add it back up there. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.203.11.207 (talk) 06:30, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean Ultimate barely even mentions Echo Fighters? They have been discussed a lot by sources and are important to understanding how certain characters behave in the game. It should be in prose. TarkusABtalk 08:46, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You could not be more wrong. Dr. Mario isn’t labeled as an echo fighter officially, yet he is by every standard one. Don’t call attention to it. 99.203.10.208 (talk) 22:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What does Dr. Mario have to do with this? We were talking about where to put the Echo Fighter text. But in response, since Dr. Mario is not an echo fighter officially, we don't label him as such here. I'm not sure what the confusion is there. TarkusABtalk 00:31, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ken is less of a clone than Dr. Mario is. Don’t want to give unneeded attention to an inconsistent detail. Just stop with adding it in. It calls attention to something that absolutely does not need the attention. 2600:8802:6604:3FC4:E406:2331:235C:43F5 (talk) 01:06, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It was put specifically in a footnote for this reason. What does that hurt, especially when sources called attention to it? ~ Dissident93 (talk) 17:10, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It’s better off explained in the footnote. It applies to one game and only with 7 characters. Otherwise, Pokemon Trainer should be added to the table instead of being in a footnote. 99.203.10.208 (talk) 22:59, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BRD. You've made your change and been reverted, and as a result we have a discussion and achieve consensus first. I'm with TarkusAB. It's fine as prose, and avoids making overly long EFNs. -- ferret (talk) 23:00, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If that’s the case, add Pokemon Trainer to the table. That footnote is even longer. And besides, some footnotes are deservedly long, such as Sheik being a transformation of Zelda in Melee and Brawl 99.203.10.208 (talk) 23:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Whether Pokemon Trainer should be added to the table or not is a completely separate topic. Start a separate thread about that if you want to discuss that. Back to the topic at hand, the Echo Fighter text is fine in its current state. We have an explanation of what Echo Fighters are at the head of the table, and footnotes indicating which are Echo Fighters. It's a gameplay characteristic that is central to how seven characters play, not trivial details about 2-3 characters. That's what the footnotes are for. TarkusABtalk 00:39, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Except it’s not actually central to them. They’re labeled like that on the website, sure, but if it was truly central to them, Dr. Mario would be an echo fighter. It is a trivial detail, no matter how much emphasis you want on it. The entire purpose of adding it was marketing jargon. Also, Pokemon Trainer is a far less trivial detail, which is why I brought it up. 2600:8802:6604:3FC4:E406:2331:235C:43F5 (talk) 01:00, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Is this short enough for you? 2600:8802:6604:3FC4:E406:2331:235C:43F5 (talk) 01:14, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

•In Ultimate, this character is labeled as an “Echo Fighter.” These characters are moveset clones whose display icons can be optionally stacked with that of the character they are based on.

I think that’s good. 2600:8802:6604:3FC4:894A:B6FC:488C:6145 (talk) 07:03, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Also, at the very least, the stacking thing absolutely does not belong here. It’s also a minor detail. Please, do not call attention to a minor detail. 2600:8802:6604:3FC4:894A:B6FC:488C:6145 (talk) 14:59, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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