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World Relief Deutschland

Dear Newslinger,

some months ago I updated the posts of World Relief Germany, but had a wrong account,... I now have a new personal account with the name of the company, so it should be clear, that I am not a distant objective writer. So I will only do updates, for example changes of the bioard or uploading new reports....

So now I changed the German pagge: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Relief_Deutschland and also the English one: World Relief Germany

Could you release the changes?

And is there a possibility to change the redirect from PartnerAid to World Relief Germany. It is true in Germany, but not fpor the international english context:

The situation is: PartnerAid Germany was founded about 20 years ago, later on independent PartnerAid UK, USa, Switzerland and netherlands were founded. In 2014 PartnerAid Germany became World Relief Germany, so a redirect link in Germany makes sense.

But for the other countries it is NOT correct to have this redirect link.

There still is PartnerAid: PartnerAid CH: https://partneraid.ch/en/, PartnerAid NL: http://www.partner-aid.nl/, PartnerAid UK: http://partneraid.org.uk/

So under PartnerAid there should be four links, to the three PartnerAids and one to World Relief Germany. See Version History for PartnerAid, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PartnerAid&diff=863188476&oldid=857753145

Would be great, if you can help me to correct this.

Many greetings and thanks for your help!

--Kerstin WRD (talk) 11:12, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Kerstin WRD. Unfortunately, I'm probably not the best person to ask about the German Wikipedia, since Wikipedias in different languages do some things differently, and I'm not familiar with their procedures. However, I can tell you that I don't have the ability to review pending changes on the German Wikipedia. You'll have to wait for a reviewer to look over your edits, and this might take a while because the queue on the German Wikipedia is currently 55 days long. If you want additional assistance, try contacting the embassy of the German Wikipedia, where editors fluent in both German and English would be glad to help you. — Newslinger talk 02:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Newslinger, thank you very much for your quick response. You helped me so much, as I now can login at Wikipedia again. For the German page I will look for support from some German Wikipedians. All the best! --Kerstin WRD (talk) 07:22, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, and good luck! — Newslinger talk 08:36, 24 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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I have sent you a note about a page you started

Thanks for creating Old boys' club.

User:Rosguill while reviewing this page as a part of our page curation process had the following comments:

Kinda surprised that this isn't the article title, as I feel like this is how I usually see the concept referred to.

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_signed,Rosguill ^talk 17:40, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm also a bit surprised, but the Google Ngram Viewer confirms that old boy network and old boys' network are the most common names for this topic. I've edited the Old boy network article to position old boys' club before old boys' society, since the former term is more common. Thanks for reviewing all of my redirects. — Newslinger talk 09:09, 9 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bloomberg

I fail to see how any reasonable person can take that section as positive evidence that Bloomberg is reliable. You have 3 editors saying they think it is, and 1 editor and a scathing article in the Columbia Journalism Review that have doubts. If that is the standard then fair enough, but it is basically arbitrary. I won't be giving that list much credence in future. zzz (talk) 17:59, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Signedzzz, there are three discussions listed in WP:RSP § Bloomberg, and the overall classification draws upon all of the listed discussions, although recent discussions are weighted more highly. Among all three discussions, editors show consensus that Bloomberg publications are generally reliable for news and business reporting.

In the most recent discussion that you mentioned (Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 270 § Bloomberg), you were the only editor to question Bloomberg's coverage of China-related issues, while 5 other editors (not 3) disagreed with your concerns.

You claimed that the Columbia Journalism Review article (published 2017) criticized Bloomberg's China coverage and Bloomberg Businessweek's "The Big Hack" article (published 2018). However, Softlavender refuted your argument and clarified that your selected quote referred to Bloomberg's spiking of a China-related article (i.e. what they didn't publish), not the entirety of Bloomberg's China-related coverage (i.e. what they did publish). You did not respond to Softlavender's correction. Also, the CJR article does not mention "The Big Hack" at all, as it was published one year before "The Big Hack".

As there is no compelling reason to weight your opinion more strongly than the opinions of 5 other editors, I have determined that the discussion shows consensus that Bloomberg is generally reliable for China-related news reports (in addition to its other news coverage). — Newslinger talk 18:38, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Correction? No one said it wasn't about spiking a story, so no one was "corrected" (or "refuted"). The article did indeed cast doubt on the entirety of Bloomberg's China-related coverage - that was the point of the article. Perhaps you should read it. zzz (talk) 18:59, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I did read the article, and it covers Bloomberg's refusal to publish a China-related piece because Bloomberg feared that its access to China would be impacted. While GreenMeansGo noted that the article cast the incident as "a lapse in their journalistic integrity", they still considered Bloomberg reliable "on average". Softlavender noted that the CJR piece did not mention any errors in the articles that Bloomberg did publish.

If you want to appeal the result of this discussion or Bloomberg's generally reliable classification, you can start a request for comment on Bloomberg on the reliable sources noticeboard. — Newslinger talk 19:17, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, no one was interested in re-examining their strongly-held belief in Bloomberg's reliability, so there was no "discussion". As I said, if that results in a classification of "generally reliable", the classification is of little value. zzz (talk) 19:26, 10 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RfCs on the noticeboard tend to have more in-depth analysis than plain discussions, and they are normally open for at least 30 days. If you want a broader section of the community to re-examine Bloomberg's reliability, an RfC would be the best path forward. WP:RSP only reflects the contents of discussions on the noticeboard, so please be sure to make all of your points inside these discussions and provide rebuttals to dissenting opinions when you have strong counterarguments. — Newslinger talk 06:40, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Signedzzz, I noticed that you recently edited 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests § Social media. Is your opposition to Bloomberg related to the Bloomberg Opinion piece quoted in the article? Since the referenced opinion piece was written by Adam Minter, a columnist who is not a subject-matter expert, there is a possibility that the opinion is undue. I've started a discussion at Talk:2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests § Bloomberg Opinion piece regarding the Twitter data sets to examine the issue. — Newslinger talk 11:45, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and my changes regarding police misconduct in HK 2019 protests

Hi @Newslinger:, thank for the message. You said you removed some of my edits, but as new as I'm, I'm not sure which part you were saying. Please let me know. Cheers. Ltyl (talk) 15:18, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ltyl, there were several instances of unsupported attributions ("It was alleged") in the Allegations of Hong Kong Police Force misconduct surrounding the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests article, but I just realized that they were already in the article (phrased using different words) before you edited it. Sorry about the mistake, and I've restored your edits. Welcome to Wikipedia! — Newslinger talk 15:39, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

thanks for helping me edit 5-Minute Craft (in DrifAssault's (mine) sandbox)

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Thanks for helping me edit 5-Minute Craft, the article would be very biased without you. DrifAssault (talk) 02:16, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DrifAssault, thanks for being so receptive to feedback from other editors! Wikipedia's policies and guidelines are a lot to take in at once, and there's a steep learning curve, but you're doing great so far. If you have any other questions about editing or if you ever want my opinion on something Wikipedia-related, please feel free to ask me here. — Newslinger talk 02:22, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Newslinger, for the 5 Minute Craft article again, it is consider to be an original research or/and unreliable source if I conclude this channel have various other sub-channel? The reason for that is I have found YouTube channel which are aimed for specific audiences, but all have the same name format "5-Minute Crafts (kids, recycling, etc.)" and also being shown on 5-Minute Craft's page — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrifAssault (talk • contribs) 12:50, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I found this review on Common Sense Media that says, "5-Minute Crafts is a YouTube channel with several subchannels", so it should be fine as long as you cite this page. You can also use the rest of the review, but the opinions should be attributed to Common Sense Media so it's clear where they're coming from. — Newslinger talk 15:13, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RSN Moratorium

Hi, Newslinger - our project team (dogs) is struggling with RS issues, so I headed over to RSN to get consensus on use of a particular source, and while I was there, re-read the moratorium RfC. I may have misunderstood the proposal or it could be that retrospectively, I’m seeing things differently so I struck my iVote. I encourage any advice you would like to share (ping me if you do). 🙂 ^Atsme _Talk 📧 10:26, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Atsme, and thanks for reaching out to me here! I really appreciate your participation in reliable sources noticeboard discussions and RfCs, even when your views don't align with mine. It's important to have a variety of perspectives represented on Wikipedia, since that is the only way this encyclopedia can accurately reflect the world around us. Your opinions are valuable here.

Regarding the discussion on The Bully Breeds: You did a great job researching the questionable legitimacy of the publishing company. Unfortunately, deletion reviews aren't suitable for introducing new arguments, and I think Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catahoula bulldog would have had a better shot at a merge/redirect result if you had directly responded to Nomopbs's 13 bullet points. If the Catahoula bulldog still doesn't meet WP:GNG after a few months, you may want to consider a proposed merger to Louisiana Catahoula Leopard dog.

On the topic of general reliability, I think that most editors on the noticeboard agree that context matters, but simply disagree on how much guidance to give editors upfront. Although I appreciate your new position in the RfC, your support for the moratorium was also perfectly respectable. My goal is to strike the right balance between RfCs and discussions on the noticeboard. RfCs reduce the number of repetitive discussions, but without some type of restriction on when RfCs can be opened, we run the risk of cluttering the noticeboard with too many RfCs (as they run for at least 30 days).

If you have any feedback on my editing or my noticeboard participation, please feel free to tell me at any time. — Newslinger talk 15:02, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:MicroG for improvement, if interested

There should be a microG page. Could you help make the draft, Draft:MicroG, better? -- Yae4 (talk) 22:20, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Yae4. Thanks for creating this draft! An article for MicroG was on my to-do list, but I wouldn't have been able to get to it very soon on my own. I'll be happy to contribute to the draft when I have a bit of time, since it's clear that MicroG is notable. — Newslinger talk 15:10, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

new report about Twitter disinformation campaign

Thought you may be interested, I've included new information about the Twitter disinformation campaign:
International reactions to the 2019 Hong Kong anti-extradition bill protests#Social media
The last paragraph of that section is new. Feel free to improve upon this if you wish. Thanks. 65.60.163.223 (talk) 06:04, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding this! I've reworded one of the sentences, but everything else looks great. — Newslinger talk 15:25, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Conflict of Interest and Edit War at /e/ (operating system) and Gael Duval

Hi Newslinger, Would you please have a look at the recent edits and talk page comments by me, User:Caliwing, User:Indidea, and User:Mnair69, and advise on how to handle? I believe something like User_talk:Mnair69#June_2019 is also appropriate for at least Caliwing, and probably Indidea, and I'd like to nip edit wars in the bud if possible. Thanks. -- Yae4 (talk) 08:52, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I've looked at the edits by Yae4. It's impressive to see that he's doing all his best to ruin the page about /e/, systematically discretiting, adding content about similar or competing other projects, using non-neutral tone, unediting other users edits. This guy seems to have an account here only to destroy the work of others. Newslinger, I don't know if you are an admin and I don't know a lot about Wikipedia procedures, but what actions can I take in this case to ensure that this page is getting balanced and factual content without getting vandalized by a single user? Indidea (talk) 17:37, 5 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Indidea, I have responded on your talk page at User talk:Indidea § Response to your comment from my talk page. — Newslinger talk 18:34, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am monitoring the progress of the /e/ (operating system) article. Let's continue this discussion on the article's talk page, Talk:/e/ (operating system). — Newslinger talk 18:34, 6 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Joel Gilbert Article

Hey, wasn't sure how to message on wiki. Not trying to mess up anything but I need some help. I'm still trying to get the article updated without creating a mess and I need your assistance. There was no conflict of interest other than a group (who moved on without me) trying to do an article together so no one had to do a whole page. This article as it is has numerous issues beyond the version I worked on. Again, not trying to be a jerk, just want to actually get it fixed and get your blessing. Below is when I thought I was blocked and wrote the whole story on what happened to get things reverted. Please help if you can, not trying to circumvent your decisions, just not sure why inaccurate material that has bad sources is chosen over accurate material (albeit, equally bad sources right now). If anything you see needs fixing before it goes in, please let me know.

Apart from finding new information and choosing which parts to edit, all independently, me, rory, and nate are not working on this article for any other reason than his name was first on the list of articles to edit. The current version of the article has bad sources and is negatively skewed. We're literally just fixing what is wrong. There should be no issue. The problems brought forth are one, my account, rory's and i guess nates too were created recently (mine and rory's because we've never had an account) and just trying to get some articles done. The goal was literally, get to ten edits and get started. There is nothing wrong with creating an article and there is no conflict of interest between independent editors agreeing to do an article. If that were wrong the community portal is wrong too. Two, nothing is being promoted; the only sources pertaining to Joel Gilbert are news articles and his website. I might've cited one wrong but that's it. The article as it stands has a negative skew and bad sources. We're trying to give it a neutral stance and fix the sources as we go. To accuse me, rory, and nate (we don't know him too well. He said he would check our stuff and gave us a general outline: i.e. stick to a topic and build a reputation) of being sock puppets is no different than calling anyone who's ever communicated on wikipedia about an article, a conflicting interest. I get the timing is bad (just looked over the history, there's a lot in the last few days) but nothing we have done has contradicted any guidelines set by wiki. This is classic looks like a duck must be a duck thinking. Not sure why the contention for this is so high. The article should be taken down if not fixed. Not trying to be a bother but its wrong to label this a conflict of interest when it isn't. JGoldman76 (talk) 03:14, 7 September 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JGoldman76 (talk • contribs) 01:19, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi JGoldman76, you can participate in the sockpuppet investigation at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sweethominy. If you are not a sockpuppet, then the investigation will conclude in your favor, and you have nothing to worry about. I will return to the Joel Gilbert article after the investigation is complete. — Newslinger talk 05:47, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Question about using primary or secondary sources

Hi - maybe you didn't notice my question on the /e/'s history page, but I'd like to better understand and get your advice so that I can contribute better to the /e/ page and others. I think in some cases (probably for tech projects) some facts can clearly be checked from primary sources and you won't necessarily find content in secondary sources about it. Let me give an example in the /e/ case: the list of supported devices, like it was added recently by a user, is on their gitlab. That's a fact, it can be checked. Is there any issue with using such a primary source? Another case: reference to source code. Does it qualify as an acceptable source for a citation on a Wikipedia? Also, another case that comes to mind: /e/ have released their "cloud" part as a set of various software components that can be installed by users to self-host their /e/ services instead of relying on the /e/ cloud at ecloud.global. As this is rather new, there are no secondary sources about this news. However this kind of information is not a claim, it's factual and can easily be checked on the appropriate download page. In that case, is it acceptable to be mentioned and cited in an edit? Caliwing (talk) 09:12, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]